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Honda Pilot Transmission Problems

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  • gatdammitgatdammit Posts: 17
    I think it's time to tally the NHTSA registered complaints and maybe send them to a proven consumer protection group/attorney. I may be wrong but, this reached an actionable level years ago and Honda chose to ignore instead of recall. Nissan had a similar transmission problem almost the same time and recalled/replaced all failed units.

    Honda was crafty in issueing the bandaid oil jet kit fix. Between the recall and stiff arming at the HQ, Honda hoped the problem would just go away - and they have been pretty successful. The real project will be to add up how many tranny's failed post recall...I'm one of them. The object is to unite the effort - Odyssey/Pilot/MDX/Accord - for indisputable numbers.

    Keep your receipts...
  • I just posted a complaint on the NHTSA site. I posted on the Facebook page for the Acura owners asking about joining our forces. Do you think we should put together a Facebook page like they did?
  • It looks like there are 37 complaints on the NHTSA site about the 2005, 43 about the 2004 and 104 about the 2003. The Acura complaints tallied at 54 f0r the year 2003 and 29 for the year 2004. I don't know how many people they pulled in through Facebook. I will contact them and see.
  • nwfindernwfinder Posts: 9
    This is so weird. The same thing of coolant mixing with transmission fluid is EXACTLY what is happening to '05 - '07 Nissan Pathfinders. I wonder if it is the same radiator manufacturer? If so I'd hate to be that supplier!!
  • swdypdyswdypdy Posts: 4
    Thank you to everyone who has posted about this before. I bought my 2004 Honda Pilot in 2008 with 26,000 miles on it. We didn't have any problems with it at all until late last year. We have have performed all of the regular maintenance on the car as well. Late last year I took it to the Honda dealership with the exact issues you all are complaining about. They claimed to have no idea what I was talking about. Finally, they had one of their mechanics drive with me. He heard the shuddering and thought that it might be the rear differential fluid. They replaced it and it seemed to be ok.

    Lately the shuddering has gotten worse and is happening in the 35-40 MPH range, as well as any other time it's shifting. Last week, the engine light came on, it started misfiring at idle and shaking terribly bad as I drove. The engine light began flashing and I took it straight to our regular mechanic (I am steering clear of the Honda dealership - too pricey for a bunch of liars). He replaced the spark plugs which were admittedly in terrible condition (we live in the foothills and have a long, steep, wet, dirt driveway) and said to bring it back if it still wasn't working right. After revisiting this website I think I will have him drain and refill the ATM fluid and use the additive everyone here has been talking about and see how it does.

    Right now I'm terrified to go anywhere. I drive to Seattle on a regular basis and am petrified to break down on I-5 during rush hour. Good thing my AAA membership is in full swing.

    I also have a friend who has a 2003 Pilot and she mentioned the exact same shuddering between 35-40. Let's start the Facebook page and see if we can get Honda to admit this issue and pay to correct it. If no one else wants to start it, I will but it sounds like some of you have had extensive communication with Honda. I haven't started with them yet but I'm about to.

    Thanks again to everyone who has posted. It's awful we are all dealing with this. I wonder what it will take for Honda to realize this is their problem - someone getting killed?

    Tell me where to go and who to complain to and I will.
  • jtsibesjtsibes Posts: 19
    Hi,
    In my case I filed a compliant with the NHTSA. I know that there was woman-her name was Diane that filed with Honda I beleive as well. I'll look around to see if I can fnd it. I unfortunetly don't have enough time to spearhead a Facebook page but I would try to help in any way I can. Honda recalled several years from what I understand but not our years even though the problem is the same.
    Janelle
  • I started a group on Facebook. Here is the link:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/384099154955943

    JOIN the group ASAP and we'll get the ball rolling on this matter!
  • I was about to purchase a 2004 Honda Pilot with 92,000 miles based on Consumers Reports. I test drove the vehicle and I did not feel the vehicle shift when accelerating. After coming across this forum I'm now leaning towards not looking at used Pilots?
  • jtsibesjtsibes Posts: 19
    I still absolutley love my Pilot- lots of room, comfortable, great ride when it works right. I guess if you can check the service records & see what's been done to it you'd be ok? I dont think any solution will work unless replaced with a non-Honda transmission. I changed mine out last year and have not had any problems with it since.
  • Thanks for the reply. Even though it was a one owner vehicle there were no service records with the vehicle so I passed on the purchase. I definitely liked the ride and room factors but don't want to spend another 4K on top of the 12K the dealership was asking for the vehicle.
  • There is a recall for some of the 2004 Pilots. You could check the VIN to see if it was included. Unfortunately, many of us that own 2004 Pilots fall outside of the recall and still have the transmission problem. Mine didn't show up until I reached the 140k mark. There are hundreds of 2005 Pilot owners that have the same problem. So, the recall did not take care of all the Honda customers that have the defect. We are trying to unite via this forum and also Facebook to see if we can get Honda to do anything for the rest of us.
  • I own 2003 Honda Pilot which I bought new and had the shudder issue described in many of the blogs around 30-40 mph. I always have changed the fluid on the scheduled interval and was extremely upset that the vehicle was prone to this problem. So much for Honda's quality reputation for which they command a such a premium sticker price.

    Here is how I solved the transmission shudder which had become very regular at 130,000 miles:

    1. "Change" the transmission fluid by draining what will drain from the case through the plug on the bottom as if it were a regular interval. This requires about 3.5 quarts of fresh fluid.
    2. Drive the car for 20 to 30 miles and change the transmission fluid, again.
    3. On the second fill, include Dr. Tranny Instant Shudder Fix subtracting the amount of fluid prescribed by the directions on the bottle from the 3.5 quarts of transmission fluid.
    4. REPLACE THE TRANSMISSION FILTER! I was not aware that it even had one, because Honda does not include this as part of a fluid change and I guess Honda expects you to never change the filter. Changing the filter is a normal part of most transmission fluid changes for most manufacturers.

    Over 5000 miles after doing this I still have not had a shudder where it had gotten to be a very regular problem before.

    It took a lot of searching the blogs to develop this solution and I combined multiple suggestions for a belt-AND-suspenders approach. Feel free to copy this post out to others who are experiencing this common problem. Definitely try this approach for about $100 in parts before plunking out $4 grand for a rebuilt transmission.
  • spamman66spamman66 Posts: 6
    Did you have the Flashing D issue? Did this stop that from happening?
  • mmcurleymmcurley Posts: 1
    I've been reading all the posts regarding the Honda Pilot transmission problem. I'm speechless. I just came home from the dealership today with the news that I need a new transmission at the cost of 5500. My 2004 Pilot has 95000 miles. For several months I've noticed a shakiness to the steering wheel and the VTM-4 light has been coming on and off. I brought it to a mechanic and they could not find a problem. Recently the check engine line has been on. The dealership said the parking pall is broken inside transmission. I don't even know what that is??? Do I get a new transmission and hope for the best or trade in ??
  • campkapalacampkapala Posts: 21
    Hello...sorry to hear of your problem. Have you checked your VIN number on the Honda web page? Some of the 2004 Honda Pilots are under recall. My 2004 Pilot is just outside of the recall but I have the same issue. It started with a shutter at 30 mph and is progressing. I know soon I will have the same diagnosis as you. I have not heard of anyone else posting about the Parking Pall though. Not sure what that is. I thought the problem involved the torque converter. There is a Facebook page you can go to and get your name on a list. We are trying to organize so we can push Honda to fix the problem. The 2005 Pilots have the problem, also. So does the Acura MDX. The Acura people started a Facebook page and got Acura to post a bulletin to fix their cars. I was hoping we Pilot owners could do the same. Some people push their dealer to at least share the cost of the repair. People have reported in that at first the dealer will deny even knowing the Pilots have a tranny problem. You have to let them know you are well aware of the numbers that have problems.
  • campkapalacampkapala Posts: 21
    Hi again...I just read this new post. It may prove helpful for you. Other people have written in about using Shutter Fix. My mechanic used it and it helped some. I am going to ask them to do as this post suggests:

    I own 2003 Honda Pilot which I bought new and had the shudder issue described in many of the blogs around 30-40 mph. I always have changed the fluid on the scheduled interval and was extremely upset that the vehicle was prone to this problem. So much for Honda's quality reputation for which they command a such a premium sticker price.

    Here is how I solved the transmission shudder which had become very regular at 130,000 miles:

    1. "Change" the transmission fluid by draining what will drain from the case through the plug on the bottom as if it were a regular interval. This requires about 3.5 quarts of fresh fluid.
    2. Drive the car for 20 to 30 miles and change the transmission fluid, again.
    3. On the second fill, include Dr. Tranny Instant Shudder Fix subtracting the amount of fluid prescribed by the directions on the bottle from the 3.5 quarts of transmission fluid.
    4. REPLACE THE TRANSMISSION FILTER! I was not aware that it even had one, because Honda does not include this as part of a fluid change and I guess Honda expects you to never change the filter. Changing the filter is a normal part of most transmission fluid changes for most manufacturers.

    Over 5000 miles after doing this I still have not had a shudder where it had gotten to be a very regular problem before.

    It took a lot of searching the blogs to develop this solution and I combined multiple suggestions for a belt-AND-suspenders approach. Feel free to copy this post out to others who are experiencing this common problem. Definitely try this approach for about $100 in parts before plunking out $4 grand for a rebuilt transmission.
  • I did not ever get the flashing "D" during a shudder episode. Note that I have in the past gotten the flashing VT4M, but that was associated with the EGR valve (another common and recurring defect). The check engine code will provide a clue as to whether the vehicle is sensing something with the EGR or the transmission. Note that a failing EGR valve has similar symptoms but seems more like the car searching for a gear rather than running across rumble strips (aka shudder).
  • spamman66spamman66 Posts: 6
    I have the Flashing D, sometimes. It will flash for a few days, every trip, then sometimes it disappears for weeks...or months and it's back.

    I also have a strong feeling shift at 35-40 mph, again, sometimes it's stronger than others, sometimes it's a smooth shift.

    Last week, I have the VTM-4 light go on for a few trips and nothing every since.

    I've had the flashing D for over 2 years!!! It was around 15,000 miles after the re-built trans was put in by AAMCO. I drove the 2003 Pilot into AAMCO when the D was flashing. He checked the codes and said there were no codes to read. He thought it was a corroded wire/connector. (I wasn't going to pay to find out where).

    I had the new trans installed at 150,000 miles (approx) and it now has 223,000. The Flashing D is annoying!!!!

    I'd love to fix it, but it runs with "no major" issues. I'm not paying Honda or someone to guess on the issues. annoying!!!!!
  • campkapalacampkapala Posts: 21
    I have never had any warning lights flash but I do have the intermittent shutter at around 30 mph and am also now experiencing as you desribed "strong feeling shifts" at various other speeds. I have 145k.
  • lionsroarlionsroar Posts: 4
    Generally i don't go on to blog such as these, but after experiencing the fun i often receive at our Japanese auto shop in Texas I've decided to hopefully help spread some light on the so called "facts" people receive through forums such as these. My knowledge is based on working as a service adviser and manager over the past two years at my father's automotive repair shop and whom he himself has worked on Honda's for the past 30 years of his life. Plus i grew up in a shop practically.

    When it comes to Odyssey's they are great vehicle's mechanically speaking, but unfortunately transmissions where sold to the cheapest bidder when they were made. If you own this vehicle and haven't kept up your 30k service (especially the trans. fluid change) for the last 60-90k miles. Then i can almost assure you that the transmission is internally not working correctly.

    You will know the signs by the "D" light flashing (this is the computer saying there is a trans. problem, may be mechanical or trans. computer...usually the former), hesitation when first accelerating from a stop light, or if check the trans. fluid and its not pink but dark or black... then the trans. is gone, its just a matter of when it will not allow you to accelerate at all.

    From this point many people wind up going the silly route and spending about $1500 grand on the trans. without asking if the tech is ASE certified master tech or if there is at least a one year warranty for the parts that were replaced. THIS HAPPENS ALL DAY LONG. If you are expecting the vehicle to work for years after paying that much, you are fooling yourself. The average trans. overhaul alone is about $25-3500 grand easy, if you are not paying this than either its aftermarket parts, or the shop owner is not paying for a true technician (meaning shade tree mechanic or worse)

    Many people try to use trans. fluid's to "hope" the problem away. If you are using some type of brand fluid that supposedly makes the trans. better its a lie! This as well as a trans. fluid flush is a big fat waste of money that you deserve to keep for yourself. I apologize if the industry has lied to you and said that Honda's are suppose to have trans. fluid flushes but that's silly at best. The Honda corporation has already sent out letters to their dealerships years ago about this type of selling and that its a waste of the customers money. If someone says that you need a trans. fluid flush then you get in the car and leave, because they don't know Honda's or their transmission. At our store we have never and will never sell one of those things.

    If you are fed up with the Odyssey's i definitely understand, we often inform people who are potentially buying these vehicles to instead by the Toyota Sienna. Toyota's are more reliable, trans. are built well and almost all their vehicle's after about 2001 have timing chain's instead of belt's. Which means not only that its a life time part but its also life time warranty if it breaks. Lastly, the big difference with Toyota's is that they are non interference engines; so if the belt break's we aren't talking about a $1500-2500 grand repair because of valve's bent and such.

    Hope that informs most people well enough, I'm just tired of seeing everyone get ripped off.
  • lionsroarlionsroar Posts: 4
    i apologize, i thought i had seen someone posting about odyssey on this particular post, my bad. Though the principle's remain the same.
  • gatdammitgatdammit Posts: 17
    Great post from a trusted source; however, the central issue is that Honda has taken the route of stating 100K miles out of a transmission is perfectly acceptable. I, as many that have had the misfortune of stumbling upon this forum, am utterly appalled that buying into the Honda umbrella of reliability was so negligently passed off to avoid losing $.

    All of the early generation Odyssey V6 variants (Pilot, Accord, MDX...) we're subject to this inferior transmission. The fact that they issued the jet kit recall to cover their rears was equally insulting. There's a 99% chance that if you experience just one of the symptoms described in this thread, it's not a question of "if" but, "when" your tranny will fail.

    We have topped 300 posts in this forum and I can tell you the Odyssey trail is even worse. This doesn't account for the poor souls that were fleeced by service depts and led to believe it was something they had done wrong.

    So, at what point does it become a brand integrity issue that Honda will assume liability for? I will say it again: KEEP YOUR RECEIPTS! I feel retribution will come about someday.
  • lionsroarlionsroar Posts: 4
    agreed. Its very sad that this has happened with Honda, mind you this has technically happened to about every brand from Ford to Nissan in one way, shape or form. But considering just how much we like Honda around here (at least at our shop) and know they they are great when it comes to engine's in general, i agree that its very frustrating to see so many with the Trans. problem; hopefully soon they will end their bean counting ways and finish what they started in creating the family vehicle.
  • kendall8kendall8 Posts: 28
    thank you,,3rd and 4th gear shifters , about how much should that cost?
  • lionsroarlionsroar Posts: 4
    3rd and 4th gear shifters? i think i'm missing something in context. Is the shop you are working with telling you those need to be replaced or do you feel you have an issue when the car is in 3rd and 4th gear?
  • oldewickoldewick Posts: 1
    On my way home from the dealership, the D started blinking. Why was I at the dealership. Well, to have two motor mounts replaced and the fuel hose to the tank replaced. Total bill, $900.00. The same story as every other person on this site. Be advised, 2004 Honda pilots are trouble. I love the car but I will not pay to have the trans replaced.
  • campkapalacampkapala Posts: 21
    I had to have two motor mounts replaced also. Like you said, just another Pilot problem.
  • kendall8kendall8 Posts: 28
    I dont have a problem w 2005 Pilot transmission YET. 50k miles. I want to PREVENT IT,(IF there is suck a thing) Thank you..
  • southpaw7southpaw7 Posts: 1
    edited May 2012
    Need help. Have a 03 pilot and the transmission is giving me fits. Flushed tranny and replaced solenoids. Yesterday would not shift up. Transmission looks like its gone. My question is there any recall still on a 2003 pilot for honda to replaces transmission? The pilot has 92K on it. If no help from honda then how much does a jasper cost roughly? Have had hondas for over 20 years and this is the first major problems with one. Any advice would be appreciated.
  • campkapalacampkapala Posts: 21
    Here is what I know. Honda did recall a certain amount (over a million) Honda Pilots in the years 2003 - 2004. If your VIN number fits in the recall, then provisions have been made for you to have it replaced by Honda. If you fall outside of the VIN numbers - even if you have the transmission problem, like I do - then, you will have to fight with the rest of us to push Honda to take responsibility. Go to the Honda website and check your VIN number to see if you are in the numbers recalled. Hopefully, you are. If not, check back here and follow the posts to see what you could do. There are number of recommendations to improve the condition but no absolute fixes. We need to get Honda to replace the transmissions and the torque convertors. That's the best and most fair fix. It's a defect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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