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Large Luxury SUV suggestions

Hello,

I am married and have five children so am in the market for a vehicle that still has trunk space while seating seven. I don't put a lot of mileage on my car (less than 10k a year) no mpg is not an issue. I currently have an MDX and LOVE it but the trunk space is insufficient for me with all the seats up. I'd like to find an SUV that handles as well (more car like and tight turning radius) and has more trunk space I need. I'm driving my husband nuts because I can't find a vehicle that meets these requirements and we are carless. I've narrowed down choices to the Escalade ESV and the Infiniti QX56. I have two questions. First, are there any other models I should look at? Second, of the Escalade and the Infiniti, which one drives better? I am an awful driver so I need more car like handling so I can do quick u turns, pull into parking spaces more easily, and brake more quickly. My MDX meets my needs in these ways. I drove the Mercedes SUV which was a dream in these aspects but had insufficient trunk room. I'm not sure whether the Infiniti QX56 or the Escalade ESV is much better than the other in these aspects. Also, is one much more safe than the other? I've read the safety ratings but can't decipher the significance of the differences.

Thanks for any advice.
Chrangela

P.S. Any new cars comign out I should hold out for?
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  • waaaaa!! Cn anyone point me in the right direction? Escalade ESV or Infiniti QX56?
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Have you considered a van?

    tidester, host
  • klickklick Posts: 15
    Which Merc did you drive, the R or GL (I assume it wasn't the ML which is only a 5 seater)? I think the GL is competitive with the Infinity and Escalade in terms of cargo room behind the 3rd row, but I'm not positive. I would suggest you look at the Audi Q7, but if you found the Mercedes to be too small, then the Q7 will be too small as well. You should definitely wait to see the new Buick Enclave, which is coming some time this year. It should fit the bill size wise and will drive/handle much better than either the Infiniti or Escalade while offering a similar or higher level of luxury (but not quite to the level of the Mercedes).

    Based on your criteria, I would rank these in the following order: 1. Mercedes GL; 2. Buick Enclave; 3. Infiniti; 4. Escalade.

    One other point - the Mercedes is the only proper luxury vehicle in this group, although the Buick comes close. The Infiniti and Escalade simply don't have the level of refinement necessary to qualify them as luxury vehicles, something that no amount of leather or techno-gadgetry (or zeros in the price) can hide.
  • Thanks for your thoughts. I -please don't kill me for saying it- prefer not to buy an American made car due to previous experiences with Ford. However, since I need the cargo space behind the third row I can's seem to find any foriegn made canidates. The smaller SUVs abound, such as the Acura MDX, which I love. I don't need a proper luxury SUV as a quasi luxury vehicle will do. The Sequoia is perfect in size but I hated how its quality and how it drove compared to the MDX I have now. The Infiniti QX56 has horrible consumer reports ratings. How much weight do you give these ratings? Why do you rate the Escalade below the Infiniti? DO you think they handle equally well? How do you think their braking and turning circle compare?
    I'm not technical with these things so though I can dig up facts any guidance you can provide is appreciated.

    Angela
  • klickklick Posts: 15
    Again, which Merc did you drive? If you haven't looked at the GL yet, then you should as it fulfills all of your criteria, including not being American made.

    As to the American made issue, I don't disagree with you generally, but the Buick Enclave (and the Saturn Outlook and GMC Acadia which share the same platform) is the first and only domestic SUV that I would actually recommend.

    If near-luxury is good enough, then you should go look at a loaded Saturn Outlook or GMC Acadia (again - same platform as the Buick Enclave) which is in dealers now. Fully loaded it runs around $42k and is years ahead of most domestic suv's in terms of build/drive/handling.

    How much cargo space do you need behind the 3rd row? What type of items, for example, do you want to be able to fit behind the 3rd row on a regular basis?
  • Thank you, thank you, thank you for your offer to help me.
    I looked at the Mercedes GL. I loved how it drove. I could make tight U turns, brake quickly,, park easily and make sharp turns safely without feeling as though the car was going to topple over. I feel this way when I drive my Acura MDX, though the Mercedes drove even better. I'd but another MDX or Mercedes, but there is not enough cargo room in either for me. I have five kids who are with me all the time so I need to seat seven (with husband who accompanies me) along with the soccer mom stuff such as coolers, chairs, gym bags, school books, stroller, etc. I could manage with the MDX fine with four kids since I was able to pot on seat down with the 60/40 split, but not that I have a fifth child I must have all seats up and the trunk space is not enought to even make a grocery trip. The Infiniti has eight seats so I can put down one and have trunk space to go grocery shopping and leave the stroller in at the same time. Right now, I can't do mroe than one errand at a time because I don't have enough trunk space. The Sequoia had a perfect amount of trunk space, but it did not drive as well as the MDX and the Mercedes. I'm not sure what intangibles I am feeling when I test drive so I don;t have any objective criteria to look at. Can you tell from my description what criteria I am "feeling" and should look at? Is it turning radius, braking distance, height of the vehicle? I test drove the Lexus SUV GX and LX but both have a 50/50 split which requires me to keep both seats up in order to seat my family and leaves little to no cargo room. (I loved the GX, btw.)

    Clueless,
    Chrangela
  • I just reread my post. I was in a really big rush when I wrote it and it seems really difficult to understand. Below is my repost.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you for your offer to help me.

    I looked at the Mercedes GL. I love how it drives. I could make tight U turns, brake quickly, park easily and make sharp turns without feeling as though the car was going to topple over. My Acura MDX's drive feels similar, though the Mercedes drives better. I'd buy a Mercedes or another MDX, but there is not enough cargo room in either for me. I have five kids who are with me all the time so I need to seat seven (with husband who accompanies me now and then) along with the family stuff such as coolers, chairs, gym bags, school books, stroller, etc. I could manage with the MDX fine with four kids since I was able to put a seat down with the 60/40 split, but now that I have a fifth child I must have all seats up and the trunk space is not enough to even make a grocery trip.

    The Infiniti has eight seats so I can put down one and have trunk space to go grocery shopping and leave the stroller in at the same time. Right now, with the MDX I can't do more than one errand at a time because I don't have enough trunk space.

    The Sequoia has a perfect amount of trunk space for my needs, but it did not drive as well as the MDX and the Mercedes.

    I'm not sure what intangibles I am feeling when I test drive so I don't have which objective criteria to compare. Can you tell from my description what criteria I am "feeling" and should look at? Is it turning radius, braking distance, height of the vehicle?

    I test drove and loved the Lexus SUVs but both have a 50/50 split which requires me to keep both back seats up in order to seat my family and leaves little to no cargo room. (I loved the GX, btw.)

    Clueless,
    Chrangela
  • I put in a call to the Infiniti dealership and plan to pick up my new QX56 tomorrow. Does anyone have any advice to give me regarding options, etc? I was really hoping someone would tell me the QX was awful or great, so I am still really unsure.

    Any last minute help welcome.

    Chrangela
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    plan to pick up my new QX56 tomorrow

    If you are taking delivery tomorrow (today?) then haven't you already decided on options? In any case, you will probably get a quicker reply from those who already own a QX in Infiniti QX56.

    tidester, host
  • Hello,

    Thanks for your reply. I was hoping someone might urge me to consider something else, but it seems that the Infiniti is the closest thing to my needs on the market right now.

    Does anyone know how the trunk space of the Infiniti with one seat down compares to the Cadillac?

    Chrangela
  • klickklick Posts: 15
    If you re-read , my posts, you'll see that I have urged you to wait for the Buick Enclave or look at the Saturn Outlook. I'm not sure if you've decided not to because of the domestic issue, but again, if you re-read my posts, you'll see that I don't think these models suffer the same problems as other domestic suvs have.

    Finally, I would STRONGLY recommend that you bring to each car dealership the full complement of cargo items that you would routinely need to fit behind the third row and see how they would actually fit in each suv that you're considering. Cargo capacities are very hard to gauge by eye, and you might find that one that looks too small is actually fine (GL maybe?) and one that looks bigger than the others isn't. I did this a few years ago when I was shopping and the results were surprising to say the least.
  • klickklick Posts: 15
    I would also add that if your inclination is that it's too much trouble to bring all that stuff to each dealership and actually test each suv's cargo space, remember that you're going to be driving this vehicle every day for at least a couple years. One day of lugging stuff around is a small price to pay to get the right suv for you.
  • This is truly helpful advice. I've been stuck for some time and as I said, have bene carless and driving my husband insane. I did what you said, I took my cargo to the dealership of cars I was entertaining buying. The GL did not have much room for anything but a stroller. I also did this for the Honda Pilot (too small), the Sequoia (just right but did not like how it drove), the Infiniti (barely enough room), and the Escalade ESV (a lot of room, but not as much as I thought.) Do you think my perceptions are off base? I did this over the space of several months.
  • klickklick Posts: 15
    Hmmm, have you looked at any minivans? The Honda Odyssey in Touring trim will drive better than any of these (excluding the GL), will offer similar levels of luxury (again excluding the GL) and will have more cargo capacity than any of them. The only real downside (which may or may not be one for you) is that it is a minivan. If you don't like minivans because of their looks/image (I don't either), you have to ask yourself if you'd rather drive a good looking but unwieldy SUV with insufficient cargo space, or an ugly minivan that drives more like a car, that has more than enough cargo space and that makes it much easier for you to get your kids in and out of their seats (sliding doors and walk though second row seats).

    I don't like minivans much myself, but I do recognize that for some people they are clearly the better choice (looks and image notwithstanding), and I'm starting to think that you should really be looking at minivans instead of suvs.
  • Hey Klick,

    Thanks for the honest advice. It is very helpful in its sincerity and time you took to evaluate my needs. FOur of my children are older 13, 12, 11, and 7 so I think I can get away from "needing" a minivan, though this was nto true when I was dealing with multiple carseats. I guess this is why I am so opposed to a minivan. For years I was only able to drive a minivan for the reasons you listed, so now I am ready to move on. I just need help fiuguring out which SUV sill meet my needs almost as good as a minivan.

    Angela
  • Hello,

    I checked into my new suv and it sales price is about $48k. The overall cost of the lease for 36 months is about $30k. Does this sound right?

    Thanks for the feedback.

    Chrangela
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,995
    Check out the Leasing vs. Purchasing discussion too.

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  • klickklick Posts: 15
    I think the issue is not so much the age of your children and car seats as it is cargo capacity. It's an unfortunate reality that almost no SUVs can compete with minivans for interior and cargo space. Based on your replies, it sounds as if you need ALOT of space and that anything smaller than an Escalade ESV, Tahoe XL or discontinued Excursion will be tight. That leaves minivans. If you can compromise on space, then the Infiniti will be ok, but it won't drive as well as a top minivan.

    You also have to bear in mind that minivans have come a long way in terms of how they drive, while the big suv's have not come very far at all. I understand your desire to move on, but you need to understand that moving on might also mean moving down.

    All that being said, the Infiniti is a good choice if you're determined to have a large, but not XL, SUV.
  • Hey Klick!

    You are so awesome for taking the time to answer my questions and think with me. I know a minivan may fit my needs better, but as you observed, I prefer to find an SUV that meets my needs almost as well. I have been toggling back and forth between the Escalade ESV and the Infiniti. The dealerships are next door to each other so I took my luggage and filled both trunks. The Infiniti with one seat down seemed to be close to the amount of cargo space the Escalade ESV has with all seats up, but if you have looked at the cars I'd like to know if you think my observations are correct. (In the Escalade I cannot put the back seat down because it is a 50/50 split and I lose two seats. The 60/40 split of the Infiniti allows me to keep seating I need for seven while still having a seat down.)
    I'd love to know what you think. I have looked at these cars so much I have lost all perspective. I'm just confused now. Lastly, do you think one drives decidedly more like a car than the other?

    Thanks,
    Chrangela

    Thanks.
    Chrangela
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