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Land Rover Discovery and Discovery II

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  • kemmonskemmons Posts: 29
    6,002 miles later, we are home from our trip west towing our travel trailer. Thought it might be helpful to some of you to hear of our truck experiences.

    The wind played a huge factor on towing ability and mileage. If the truck had to go head into any wind above 10mph or even a wind coming at her from the side, we drove in 3rd at around 55-60 mph. Mileage was then lower...around 5.5-7 mpg. If no wind and flat to hilly terrain, we kept her in drive and she would do anything from 65-75 mph with no problem. Mileage would range from 7-9.5 mpg which we thought was okay. We were pleased with this performance being that the trailer weighs 5,000 plus pounds. Probably towing would be best if the trailer would be under 4,500 lbs.

    We towed the trailer up and down some pretty serious elevations and grades and although she did 'okay' we and the truck were fairly stressed out by the time we were done and think we might buy a used Rangey with more towing capacity for the next big trip. By saying she did 'okay' I mean that she made up every 9,000 ft mountain and the lowest speed we came to was 25 mph. We were just happy to make it.

    Before we left we tried to acquire an extra trans cooler but were told that LR doesn't make one and no one we talked to was quite sure what to do with a Disco that needed one. Ultimately it was decided that it wouldn't be needed. WRONG. Our trans oil light came on during one of our toughest climbs, so we had to park it for a while on the side of the mountain waiting for everything to cool off. We will now have the trans flushed and filter replaced and will be looking to have an additional cooler installed.

    In an earlier message Nanuq, you mentioned that the brakes shouldn't squeal. Mine didn't til toward the end of the trip. Now when they are used enough to get warm, they squeal at stops. During the trip, I felt the rotors to make sure there was no uneven wear and found them smooth except for the outer edge which is higher than the rest of the rotor, as if it's not getting touched by the pads. Is that normal, or have the pads been installed incorrectly? (They've been on for about 12,000 mi.) What type/brand of pad should I replace them with and how many miles are they good for? What goo are you talking about?

    All in all, we thought the truck did well with what she had to deal with. I really enjoyed the looks from other LR owners and campers pulling their trailers. Too cool!!! The scenery was beautiful and we knew that we could go just about anywhere we wanted to in the truck to look for wildlife and less accessible treasures in Montana and Wyoming.

    Hopefully some will find this info useful.

    Kim
  • bilpitbilpit Posts: 1
    hey guys, need help!! i have a mitsu montero sport with 13000 miles...great but time to change it....i like the disco any idea how much will it cost, the base model if there is a base model any specials rebate etc etc will go for 2002 hoping to get a better deal. Buried in the Mitsu!! AND how is the reliability? kind of cold feet about it..HELP!PLEASE
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,950
    If you're "buried" in the Mitsu, I doubt that you're going to get above water by buying any new car. But something tells me you aren't looking for gratuitous financial advice :-)

    Try looking at the True Market Value and the Incentives and Rebates pages while waiting for feedback from the owners here. Good luck!

    Steve
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  • kemmonskemmons Posts: 29
    Nanuq-

    Brakes were just really glazed, all better now. Thanks anyway.

    Truck has 'acquired' some leaks, (power steering and oil) looking into how bad & the fix it bill. If it's going to be extensive, may sell it & buy either 03 Disco or a used Rangey. Would like to have one of everything LR in the drive, so it's hard to decide.

    Kim
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    You know the old adage... "If it's not leaking, then it's empty". It's sort of tongue in cheek, but also not something I really worry about. Take a look at your power steering hoses up front... mine take a twist on the hose clamps twice a year to keep them from oozing. Oil leaks... hmmmmmmm. Take a twist on your oil pan bolts. How about the valve covers? Where's it coming from? You may still have some cork gaskets and going to rubber will solve it once and for all. It did with mine.

    Let me know how it comes along! And it's nice hearing about your trip. Yeah! Too bad you didn't come just a wee bit further north. :)

    -Bob
  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    A dealer told me they would deal for a couple of thousand under MSRP on '02's with special APR, 2.9 or 3.9. Can't remember which though. But no dice on the '03's
  • kkonekkone Posts: 61
    MRWhipple:

    I am picking up my '03 Disco next week. I was able to get a discount of $1000 below MSRP. Silver with Black interior and Cold Climate. I was lucky to get a discount on the '03. Most dealerships are staying at MSRP.

    Kevin
  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    That's a great deal right now. None of them are budging. What area are you in?
  • kkonekkone Posts: 61
    mrwhipple:

    I am in Northen California (San Francisco Bay Area), but I am driving 3 1/2 hours south to get this deal, because they have the price and color and equipment I am looking for. When I first started working with this dealer, he was going to do $1,500 back of MSRP for a 2002. I suspect he will do $1,500 back of MSRP in a few months. This really upsets some of the other dealers in California. But at the end of the day, I need to take care of my wallet first.
  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    I couldn't agree with you more. It's a really nice ride.

    There is definitely a difference in the braking and suspension improvements with the '03. Sharper braking and a smoother ride. Not that the older models were rough or anything. I test drove an '02 right after and it was noticible. The bigger engine had "get up & go" and was great on the freeway for passing juice.

    It's too bad they don't offer the Bahama Beige interior anymore. That black/cream combination is a little on the light side. Looks like a a little too much cleaning time involved with that color. The black interior is nice. The very light gray from above the door line on up helps open it up. It's not as claustrophobic as most black interiors.

    Enjoy!
  • They are squealing again now that the deglazing has become reglazed. Warped rotors perhaps? I am very agitated that my premium vehicle sounds like an old newspaper truck, particularly in town. Any other ideas?
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    I doubt it's warped rotors... do you feel any pulsing in the brake pedal as you stop?

    If it was me, I'd pull the pads and paint on some of that goo that you get at auto parts stores. If that didn't do it, I'd suspect the pads are just not "right" for your style of driving. Maybe they're too hard and you don't wear them fast enough with your driving style?

    I've tried many different brands on my DI and the aftermarket Wagners were great: no squeal and they worked great in the rain.

    Factory pads have these bizarre little spring steel biscuits that press into the caliper pistons to hold the pads from squealing; other brands have a soft coating on the back. Look around and see what's available.

    How fast are your pads wearing? I'm on my 4th set at 70k miles. Perhaps mine wear so quickly they never have time to glaze? Maybe you need to do some good hard stops at offramps and things to scrub 'em yourself.

    These trucks thrive on regular hard use... take her out and give her hell once in awhile, she'll thank you for it.

    Good luck, -Bob
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    If you remember I was having intermittent knocking sounds on cold start all last Spring and late last Fall. Over Winter it seemed to stop. I've guessed now that it was my oil choice.

    During winter I use Castrol Syntec 5-50w and love how it lets me start in way cold temps. I had been using Castrol 10-40w GTX for Fall/Spring and had never had trouble with it; but I had that persistent knock.

    I tried Castrol 10-30w and Pennzoil 10-30w this summer and my knock is gone using both, good riddance! Note also I *never* use oil additives and she runs like a scalded cat without them.

    FWIW, I've kept using the same filter for consistency's sake: Purolator Premium One. Wix 51515 is also a good one.

    Regards, -Bob
  • kemmonskemmons Posts: 29
    Drove one, loved it. Noticeable difference with the new engine. Console is smaller, may be mistaken but it seemed the sunroofs didn't open as far as they used to. Like I said, I might be wrong,. Handled well and still felt like a rover to me which is important. A sales rep described the ride in the new Rangey as feeling like a Lincoln. This confused me as I couldn't understand why anyone wanting a LR would want their vehicle to 'feel like a Lincoln', but the Disco still feels like a Rover. I love that solid truck feeling!!! Some other postings mentioned an HSE7. My dealer isn't sure they will make the 7 seater in anything but the SE. If anyone knows for sure, could you let me know? Also, does anyone have %'s or figures for the X plan on the '03's?

    Thanks,
    Kim
  • craniocranio Posts: 4
    I drove a 2003 HSE I liked it alot. But I also like the 2002. My dealer is willing to sell me a 2002 Westminster edition black with grey int for $35185.00. Not sure if I should just go with the 2003. Does anybody know when the all new series III will be available. Tincup you usually know what's going on I'd appreciate your thoughts and comments.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    With the 2003 model year, the Series II name is going away. They are just Discovereys again. They are not Series III models. The 2003 models are at the dealerships now, as several people posting here have stated. Other than colors and a new headliner, there are no changes to the interior on the 03 Discovery that I know of. The console is the same as the earlier models. I don't know yet what changes may be in store for the 04 MY, I'm still finding out details on the 03 Model.
  • dan_mdan_m Posts: 7
    I had the LR dealer call me Friday trying to sell me a Westminster addition for $35,495 that's $5,000 off MSRP. Basically told me that by end of August he will not have anymore 2002's in stock.
  • charlie2k2charlie2k2 Posts: 15
    Mr. Emmons,

    I purchased a 2003 Discovery SE on the 9th. VERY nice vehicle. Here in Anaheim Hills, Ca., MSRP for it is $39,095. With the X-plan, it is $37,400. That is $1,695 discounted. Also, you'll get 15% off of accesories with the X-plan (you might need it, the accessories' prices have increased!).

    Charlie2K2

    P.S. Almost forgot, I got the Zambezi Siver with the Black Leather interior. I believe the black exterior paint job will run you another $300 onto the MSRP. Also, in California there is a $100 emissions fee, so if your state doesn't have this type of fee, you should be able to deduct that. FYI
  • kemmonskemmons Posts: 29
    Charlie2k2, Thanks for your input on the 03. Have you been told what package the 7 seater will come in? When you mentioned accessories, are you referring to the cold climate, ace, etc? Is your price of $39,095 without any of these features? We're looking at a SE, black (It is $300 for the Java paint), cold climate and ace. Factor in the x-plan and the price is $40,492. We're hoping if we can find someone getting a better deal online that our sales rep will try to do better on the price. He asked us to tell him if we found a better deal when we crunched numbers in his office. I figured it can't hurt to try.

    tincup,
    When I mentioned the console seeming smaller, I was referring to the width compared to my series 1. My husband and I noticed it right off, maybe we were mistaken. How do you like the new look?

    nanuq,
    changed the plugs yesterday trying to get the truck to run better. She's been running a bit rough since we got back from the trip. They were toast.... really corroded. We're going to check the source of the leaks and will try the things you suggested. I think she might have a valve cover leak, and that gasket looks to be original. I don't think the oil leak is from anywhere further down than that. I'm crossing my fingers. How often do you clean your injectors? Do you do it?

    Thanks guys,
    Kim
  • denver8denver8 Posts: 42
    Again your advice is very timely... I was changing my oil a couple of weeks ago and noticed my power steering fluid was leaking a little bit. I thought it was time to make an appointment at the shop when I read your advice to kim about tightening the hose clamps. I naturally assumed it would take something more intensive (meaning expensive) to fix the problem. So I went right home after work got out the orange cleaner and cleaned up all traces of the leak. Tightened the clamps about a turn and a half and so far so good. Again thanks for you insight.
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