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Land Rover Discovery and Discovery II

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  • gpvsgpvs Posts: 214
    If I were you, I would drive to the one in Alexandria. I have work done at both HBL and LR Of Alexandria, and to me, Alexandria was out of the way and HBL is just across my office in Tyson's but still worth the travel. I agree with you though no the waiting times. Since I guess there are a lot of Land Rovers in the area and just 3 dealers nearby, there are probably back logs.
  • hatton3hatton3 Posts: 13
    Why is it that in the USA there is no apparent market for diesel Land Rovers (or any other SUV) ? In the UK the vast majority of Discoveries are sold with Diesel engines. The Series 2 comes with a TD5 engine (which is a 5 cylinder direct injection using ultra high pressure injectors). These engines provide as much torque as the V8 at half the engine revs, do 30mpg, are quiet, clean and very durable. Even with cheap gas in the US I would still have expected a demand for the diesel option. Is this just a fashion/prejudice thing or is there something I dont know about US legislation/pricing ?
  • donelonpcdonelonpc Posts: 8
    I don't know why this model isn't here. I would have seriously considered getting one. I am getting about 14-15 miles per gallon.

    I'll give you the general attitude of Americans about diesels. We don't like them. In the gas cruch of the early 80's, our then crappy car manufactorers decided they would convert regular engines to diesels and drop them in all the big cars. This was done quickly. End result, they were very crappy. They stunk, were very loud, made big clouds of smoke, had absolutely no power, and of course always broke down. This turned most people's opinions against diesels as a whole.

    The only exceptions are the pickup trucks. Detroit and the big three all make great diesel truck engines.

    So, in the end, very few experienced the great diesels from Mercedes and some other European car makers and only had bad ones from the American car makers. Therefore, there really isn't a strong market.

    But, it shouldn't be long. Our gas prices are going through the roof now (under US standards), and so many people have SUVs. Sooner or later they'll get sick of the prices, Like ME!

    I would seriously consider a diesel Disco II. Doesn't sound like there are any shortcomings.
  • sr96sr96 Posts: 3
    Hi,

    To continue the gas thread: I live in the Bay Area where a gallon of 87 went over $2.00 this week.
    Now, Discovery manual says "use 90 or higher" and the folks at the dealership (unofficially of course) - use whatever as long as it does not ping. I tried Shell 87 once and it ran fine.
    So the question is - would I be ruining anything if I use 89 or 87? Anybody has good/bad experience?

    Thanks!
  • bdonelonbdonelon Posts: 7
    I have put nothing by 89 Octane into my 2000 Disco II when I bought it in April 2000 and have had no problems yet. I am intrigued by the 87 octane rating. There is a 20 cent difference between 87 and 92 here in Kansas City. I figured 89 was close to 90 so I use it.

    Any other people out there using 87 without any problems?
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    The Discovery will run on 87 octane but the engine ECU will retard the timing to stop the inevitable ping. The engine has knock sensors that are very sensitive, and they will signal the ECU to retard the timing before you will ever hear the ping. Performance will suffer as will fuel mileage. If ran long enough the ECU will "memorise" the retarded settings and will run at those settings until the ECU is reset.
    Diesel Discovery's are not in the cards for the US market as sales are not deemed sufficient to require the retailers to incur the additional costs in training and equipt to service them. The majority of Land Rover retailers are stand alone facilities that do not have huge volumes to support the additional expense. With the launch of Freelander in Dec. and the new Range Rover next may, LRNA and the retailers are pretty much maxed out in getting new product in place.
  • cmc123cmc123 Posts: 4
    I read somewhere in this board that the 2002 Discovery II will remain the same as the 2001 and that it was the 2003 model that will have changes done to it. I believe it was posted by "tincup47". I was wondering if anyone knows what those changes will be, especially if the engine will be changed (more horsepower?).

    Thanks in advance.
  • sundancer1sundancer1 Posts: 1
    Hi I am looking seriously at a Disco. The only problem I see is the dealer is 80 miles away. I am worried about small problems becoming giant ones. Is it true the LR company will pick it up and get you a loaner?

    Sundancer1
  • gpvsgpvs Posts: 214
    A friend who used to live in a small town in MI had a Disco and the nearest dealership is 2 hours away. He said, they come and pick up his Disco and leaves him a Disco loaner. Can't remember the name of the dealerships he goes to.
  • discokingdiscoking Posts: 1
    I need some advice from the Land Rover owners out there. My wife and I just bought a 2001 Disco II SE7 on 4/28.

    Yesterday, while my wife was driving, the car while in motion, bucked as a manual transmission would when you start it w/o the clutch down. At the same time the Traction Control, Anti-Lock Brakes and Hill Descent Control lights all came on. She was able to pull over and shut off the car. However, after shutting off the car, she said the car sounded as if it were still running. Eventually the car shut off completely. The car was flatbedded to our dealer and the dealer (not a service technician)told us that it was probably a faulty computer code which caused the Disco's brain-fart. He said that what they will do is run a diagnostic to find and correct/eliminate those codes.

    Has anyone else experienced this issue and what was the outcome?
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    I have an SI Disco so I can't specifically help you. But... electrics are a common fault and I doubt there's a stored code from an intermittent connection that may have caused this.

    In my SI it used to do similar things... big hesitation, lots of dash lights, POP thru the stereo... lots of WEIRD electrical things.

    I traced it to the electrical box under my hood, offside at the engine midpoint. Yours may be located somewhere else. It's the main fuse box with the BIG links... 100 amps etc. I removed each one, and completely disassembled the box, cleaning all contacts thoroughly. I reassembled and all gremlins are exorcized.

    My thinking is, all computerized circuits depend on clean uninterrupted power... any poor connection here will feed all subsequent circuits with poor power and you'll have weirdness.

    Good luck! Don't accept a simple "we didn't find any codes."

    -Bob
  • awseymourawseymour Posts: 18
    My 2000 II did similar things as well at about 4000 miles, it was the transmission control module, which was bad. Had it flatbedded 100 miles to dealer in Maine who replaced unit. Other then a few quirky brake warning lights caused by sensor in brake fluid tank bening messed up been OK since. Now at 12000 miles getting some cupping on front tires (Goodyears).. anyone else having this problem?
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    Common problem... and I haven't seen a good explanation for it. I just rotate front to back every 5k or so and it helps. Make sure you adjust the tire pressure to specs when you're done, and take a look at the brake pads while she's got her shoes off... they wear VERY quickly.

    Regards, -Bob
  • knoll2000knoll2000 Posts: 2
    To lease or not to lease...

    Like you lucky owners have experienced at one point or another, I've too have recently caught the fever. However, reading the reports from consumer-reports, Road and Track and this very helpful message board, my dreams of driving this beast seems more like a burden.

    so... are there any convincing arguments either way on the 2001 discover SE or SD series could you please share them with me. I am concerned about safety. Has anyone heard anything about the 2001 and these "break" problems. The year seems better than most but I expect time will tell.

    A little love folks?Thank you in advance,
    Andrea
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    Is there a specific problem with SII brakes you've heard about? It hasn't come up on my radar yet... but I'm far from an expert.

    The thing about Rovers is... they're hand built trucks and if you get a bad one then sometimes it's spectacularly bad. Some seem to be flawless, others have teething problems that CAN be fixed under warranty if you're persistent. I mean REALLY persistent to the point of giving your service manager a nervous tic. I did that. I wanted to KILL my truck the first couple years but the last problem was solved just as the warranty expired and she's been absolutely flawless for almost 3 years. Not one hiccup.

    And now I'm knocking on wood... Lord Lucas lurks where we least expect him...

    Seriously, it's a love/hate thing and it always will be, until Ford engineers the character out of them. That will be a sad day. Ask yourself if you want a relationship with a vehicle that has a few surprises, or do you want to drive an appliance? My toaster never surprises me, but I'll gladly throw it away for another. My truck always surprises me (pleasant surprises now!) and I'll keep her till I'm too old to run the transfer case lever. Relationships take attention but they give rewards too. It's a love/hate thing.

    As for safety... take a look:

    http://www.landroverclub.net//Club/HTML/Main_Wrecks.htm

    Regards, -Bob
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    This guy crawled out without a scratch, but his truck suffered some. Still he drove it home.


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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,451
    I like the way they put the logo underneath the front skid plate so everyone can tell what kind of rig it is when it flips (I used to have a kayak like that....).

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  • knoll2000knoll2000 Posts: 2
    In my quest for a fun/ sexy / safe vehicle I can not remember where I saw the complaint. Possibly here. But at any rate, the driver said they lost both the ABS as well as the emergency brake while on the highway. Yikes! But as you said, every dog has its day and this Disco was having a bad one.

    If I could trouble you again for your experienced advice, I'm trying to save some money on this 2001 lease but also find the ACE system and formitable feature I seem to think I need(only available in the LE series). I will be traveling on mountain Highways and feel the stablization feature might be important. Any thoughts?

    -Andrea
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    I have to admit, I've got zero experience with ACE. Some folks swear by it, others are put off by its complexity. Some say it's the best thing since sliced cheese for cornering enhancement but others just get used to the perceived body roll in corners (I did). This is NOT a sports car, and cornering hard enough to need ACE might eventually lead to getting in over your head in a blind turn. I admit I drive my Disco pretty sedately on the road; when I want to go fast I drive something else (grin). Others also mention problems with the ACE pump and hoses... but also say it's wonderful offroad, giving more wheel travel than the otherwise antiroll bars provide. So you see, it's a complex system with dubious (to some) benefits.

    As for the brakes failing? I could see the ABS failure but not the emergency brake too... that's a cable brake actuating a HUGE drum on the driveline, working on all 4 wheels at once. Unless the cable broke....????? I just don't see it.

    I'm sorry I'm not much help with this!!!! -Bob

    ps: if you would like more detailed questions (and not to take up more bandwidth for these other poor readers - grin) you can write at nanuq'at'bigfoot'dot'com <---that's so the spambots don't get my address. Best regards!
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    The IIHS 40mph front offset crash test results for the Discovery II are available here. It received an "acceptable" in the test:

    http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/99010.htm

    http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/summary_midsuv.htm


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  • waskowasko Posts: 103
    I should have known better...

    At last inspection, I had around 50% on the rear brake pads. Rears were originals - had 'em on for 75k if you can believe that, but they started squeaking a tad. As soon as I noticed this, I took her in. What a suprise!

    Rears still had 20-30% left on them, but front left was metal on metal (I could have sworn the squeaking was coming from the rear!), and the right front was about 10%. So, it's new pads all around and new rotors on the front for me. If anyone else finds themselves in this situation, give Atlantic British or British Pacific a call - you'll spend about 1/2 the price of Rover Genuine parts (I hope they last as long). Even with overnight shipping, I still came out $200 less.

    While it was in for the brakes, I sprung for a '50 point buyer's inspection'. Must say with 76,000 miles that she's wearing very well! Nothing real major - had to replace a couple of hoses and front valve covers are leaking a bit (I brought home the gaskets to repair the valve covers myself but it looks like a bit more work than I really want to get into so I'll take it back for that).

    For the engine, they did compression checks and everything looked good there - should be able to get quite a few more miles out of her with continued maintenance.

    I've been contemplating trading her in later this summer for a DII, but after they detailed her and cleaned her up (I've neglected her interior a bit lately), I fell it love all over again! IF (and it's a big if) I do trade her in now, it will be a tough decision.

    Happy Rovering to all!
    wasko
  • brandmarbrandmar Posts: 37
    Hi,

    I've been lurking around this board for a while. It's great that there is a place where a person can find useful information.

    I am totally in love with the Land Rover Discovery. I've been gun-shy because of the reliability issues but I think I'm ready to take the plunge.

    A couple of questions:

    - I don't know whether to go new or look for a used 1999 or 2000.
    - If I go new, should I lease or buy? I generally only keep cars two years or a little longer.
    - If I do buy used, how do I determine how late in the year the car was manufactured? I've read that the later in the model year, the better. Also, I've seen posts, that with the IN, people can tell what day it was manufactured. Is this really important? And how does it work?
    - Has anyone had any good/bad experiences with the Land Rover dealers in MA. I live very close to Land Rover Metro West and that's probably the dealership I would go to.

    Thanks in advance for your help!
  • rkoeslerrkoesler Posts: 62
    It's been a while since I posted anything - glad to see "wasko" is still among us!

    I'm at 19,000 miles with my '00 DII with NO problems. Brake pads are at 70%. Mileage still between 16.5 and 19.0 (highway only, at 65 mph). No leaks, no nothing (except tire cupping on front, inside edges - rotate every 10K in cross pattern). Have not heard of any brake problems, and have not missed my 99 DII with ACE at all. Of course, I drive my SUV using common sense - I know it's not a sports car ! ACE is great if you drive more aggressively than me. It's almost like driving a BMW.

    Anyone going to the National LR Rally in Ouray, Co. in August (2nd. thru 5th.)? I am, and it sure is a lot of off-road fun with spectacular scenery.

    I you buy a used DII, my suggestion is to go '00 or '01 - much more reliable than first year truck, or get a late 99 DI, or 98, or 97, even 96.
    Lease if you can, because value goes to hell fast. (My 00 cost $43,000 new - now it's worth @ $ 26,000). Happy Rovering to all!
  • grassrootsgrassroots Posts: 2
    Thinking about purchasing a 1997 or 1998 Discovery and I wan to add on an extended warranty. The 1998 I've been looking at has the manufacturers on it for 4000 more miles and the 1997s obviously come with nothing. any suggestions on warranties direct from Land Rover or some good after market ones?

    Any input is helpful
  • rsv3rsv3 Posts: 1
    How long will they last? My 88RR had 150k when we sold it and still used no oil and ran great. Our 94 Disco has 98,000 mile and has only been back to the dealer twice. Once was a recall and at 90k miles the accelerator cable broke. The RR did require more repairs but the Disco has been great. I am considering another Disco and will read this site with great interest.
  • landinlandin Posts: 1
    Within the next 6 weeks I will have a new 2001 Discovery II. 2 questions, I will replace the stock tires with BFG all terrains, either 255/70/16s or 265/70/16s if they fit. I saw one at the dealer, very cool and good in the high country. Considering the motor has 188 horse, at sea level, will I lose substantial power? and 2, is there a benefit with K&N filters and a free flow exhaust system?
  • 02discovery02discovery Posts: 47
    My wife and I intend on purchasing a 2002 Land Rover Discovery II. We have been doing our homework and have test driven 5 Discoveries. I noticed right away that each vehicle had it's own personality. Despite all of the negative stuff we read, our hearts are still leaning towards a Discovery purchase.

    My question is about the rear air conditioning option. If I purchase the rear air conditioning option, what do I get for my $700.00? Do I simply get a fancy fan housing in the rear or is there an actual evaporator for the rear section and one evaporator up front?
    Thank you
    Steve
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,451
    But sturdy Land Rover kept me safe


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  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    There is a separate evaporator and fan assly in the left rear quarter panel on the Discovery with rear A/C. The rear AC is quite effective in cooling rear seat passengers.
  • saharagalsaharagal Posts: 88
    I haven't heard anything recently about the 2002 Discovery. It doesn't get here any time soon, does it? Are there any changes being made to the vehicle?

    Thanks!
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