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Lincoln Navigator

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  • We are considering buying a 03 Navigator, have looked at and driven it, very nice. Will be ordering a black exterior with a black interior, just happened to see one the other day and the top half of interior is a light color which looks very strange. Does anyone know if this is the way they are with the black interior. Would look so much better if the ceiling was black or dark grey also.
  • Bailey, I disagree with you, (sorry). One of the things that attracted me to Lincoln in 1990 was the two-tone interiors, and it's one of the things that has kept me coming back all these years. I think it's classy. Many Lincolns have a two-tone theme, dash, carpet/seats/headliner, etc. For a while, the Continental came in some radical variations, like White leather seats with forest green carpet, etc. Didn't buy one of those, but two tones of grey or brown, I like.
  • Hi there,
    We just purchased a 99 Navigator and while there is the minimal wood dash trim on the steering wheel and lower console, I am looking to add the area around the radio. I have seen several aftermarket parts claiming to "match" the factory OEM dash color, but I am a bit skeptical. Has anyone tried this or know of a reputable source to purchase this? Is the dealership my only option?

    Also, I am in need of another remote and while I have seen some that claim to be factory matches on eBay, they are very generic with no Lincoln logo. Does anyone have a picture available of these for the 99 models? Thanks!

    Mike
  • kourykoury Posts: 225
    Exotic Wood Dash (www.exoticwooddash) makes is one of the more reputable companies for 3rd party wood pieces. They make a piece that you are looking for. I installed a complete kit on my Lincoln LS two years ago - very easy to do, the parts fit perfectly, the color matches perfectly, and no problems after two years. There are other manufactures, but these guys seem to be the most recognized.

    Good luck!
  • The oil change indicator in my new & old Mountaineer ran me about 5000 miles between, which works fine for me. But the new Nav may have different programming. My Nav doesn't have this option. You can probably reset it yourself to quit coming on for another 2500 or so miles. This may also just be your first oil change run. I don't know if your system runs off a sensor, or a clock. Guess I'm not much help on this one....
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    hope you all get a good laugh at this...

    http://poseur.4x4.org/suvdeath.html


    Odie

  • karz10karz10 Posts: 106
    i would buy a used stretch nav limo and turn it into a hearse and save myself a few bucks, but then again, i don't need one :)

    karz
  • I live on Long Island. I ordered a '03 NAV on June 12. I was told that it would take 6-8 weeks for the vehicle to arrive. It has been 11 weeks and it's still not here. Would anyone know if one (or more) of the options I ordered is causing the delay?

    Last week the dealer said that the vehicle is awaiting transport from NJ. He went on to say that they are having trouble transporting the Expy's, Excursions and the Nav's.

    I word in NYC and see a fleet of '03 Navs with US Open stickers on them. I guess Ford didn't have a problem getting these trucks for their sponsored event.

    Here are the options:
    Nav Ultimate 4x4
    Silver w/black int.
    2nd Row Bench
    DVD Ent. sys.
    Power Moonroof
    MSRP $57,840 (~49K w/x-plan)
  • gettling,

    I ordered a 4x2 ultimate with Nav & ent packages on 7/2 just picked it up on Saturday 9/1. It arrived at the dealership on 8/28. I am in Southern California, the transaction went exactly as promised when I ordered it. Did the dealer give you a copy of the order to the factory? My guess is that he did not place the order promptly or he sold it and knows he has a like model following shortly. Good luck.
  • I placed my deposit on a Navigator (every option) a little over a week ago. The order sheet I was given is dated June 4th. (Dealer claims there was a recall early on and they were waiting for a lot of cars to come in).

    Is there a way to verify from the order#/dealer# where the car is in the build process? My last two cars were imports and I was able to call customer service and get complete status on the car (w/ a VIN# provided the moment the build process started). It appears you can't get a VIN from Lincoln until the car is at the dealer. When I called Lincoln they just forwarded my request to the dealer who said they won't know until the car is on the way.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    I can confirm that allocation of the 2003 Navi is very tight. Most dealers have sold more units than Lincoln has the ability to build.
    The initial bug that held up a bunch of vehicles is now over and they are shipping as fast as possible...This held up some vehicles for 4 weeks.

    Right now, If I placed an order for a sold unit the expected ETA would be around Jan-Feb. 2003.

    So...if you have one on order, hang in there. Also, the selling dealer wants it to come in as fast as you do.

    Rich
  • I guess I am lucky my order was exactly on time!!! The fleet manager that I was dealing with also confirmed the inability of getting new units was extremely tight, especially the with the ultimate package. In fact since I ordered and locked in my price at $500 over invoice the best deal the fleet manager is willing to do is now $3,000 over invoice, the salesman said the owner of the dealership was very happy when people had canceled previous orders. However, as far as I know, there is now way to track the status of an order. Good luck to those still waiting, but I assure you the wait is worth it.
  • sqibsqib Posts: 4
    Hello all.. I am a newcomer to the site and wanted some advise/opinions.
    Have just come out a terrible experience where my 99 Grand Cherokee Ltd. caught fire while driving on the highway for no apparent reason [let me know if anyone has had this problem - or heard of it - I need to get Chrysler to take care of this for us and others].
    I am looking to buy either a Navigator or a Range Rover and I wanted to know if people generally had any major problems with their Navigators once they started to hit the 50,000-60,000 mile mark and if so - what type of problems were you experiencing. I look forward to your input - Thanks.
  • I test drove a new Navi last week and WOW. The interior is improved so dramatically that I am shocked. My only complaints are that the dials for the aux climate controls felt cheap and the stereo looks oddly similar to the one found in the Sport Trac. Otherwise, the new wood was great, the seats were superb and the overall ambience was that of a far more substantial vehicle than the previous model. The model I looked at stickered at approx. $57k.
  • I have 59,000 on my 99 Navigator. Leased it new, and just bought the car out of the lease because it's been so good to me. Only repair it's ever had is an 0 ring breach in the A/C that evacuated my R-134. Fixed under warranty. Oh, and the rear wiper just quit. That's it. I've been extremely pleased with the car. Power is exceptional, and great for towing. Reliability is awesome and it's a real great driver. When it starts giving me trouble, I'll likely get another one. But for now, it's too good to sell.
  • karz10karz10 Posts: 106
    Sorry to hear about the JGC. To add to Nav3740s comments, I just purchased a '00 Navigator. Although I can't speak for new owners turning 50-60k mi, I went out to purchase one w/ 45k mi on it, I started w/ JGC, Pathfinder/Qx4, looked at Expeditions, Excursions, Tahoes, Yukon's, Escalades and the like, mostly in the '99 and '00 yr model, some in '01.

    Wanting to spend mid 20's, once I determined the true value of above referenced vehicles, I set out to purchase a 99 or 00 Nav, it seemed to offer the most for the money in that class to me, one thing I realized was that the '00 has bigger running boards than the '99, and if you find one w/ the quad-seats (which most of them are), the 00 second row folds down, whereas all the '99s that I looked at did not fold, they only tilted forward for rear third row entering/exiting, plus if considering a '99 double check to make sure it has the 300hp, the '98s and as I recall some early '99s had the weaker 5.4L, also I believe the air conditioned seats came out on '00 and the consoles are wider/bigger

    I've only put a 1,000 or so miles on it so far, but I haven't found any major problems and I am very meticulous about vehicles. I was fortunate to find one w/ a custom TV and VCR system already installed, it had the Alpine system which already includes the subwoofer and cd changer, they had already replaced the tires prior to the recall of the ContiTracs, mine has brand new Michelins on it which by the way are awesome, no tire noise, good smooth and corner handling for such a large vehicle, it had been fun to drive so far, oh by the way, the reverse sensor thing is also pretty cool, mine has this, and although I used to drive large vehicles all the time and would have no problem maneuvering the Nav, I have still found these to be quite helpful and accurate assuming you look at the design of whatever may be behind you it works pretty well.

    As for Range Rover, I assume you meant Range Rover and not Discovery series, a Range Rover would be WAY more than a Nav (at least the 4.6 would be) and I'd be concerned about quirky things in any Land Rover although they are nice vehicles, a Discovery series may be more in the price range of the Nav or a little less, if you like the size of the JGC and offroad prowess, maybe you should give a Discovery a look, but if you want space, comfort and long wheelbase, then you may find yourself leaning towards the Nav.

    Good luck.

    Karz
  • I recently test drove the RR, to see if I had any desire to move that direction when my Nav gets tired. This was an 02, not the new BMW design. Quirky is how I would describe the layout and controls, but I guess one could get used to that. I was impressed with the performance, but it's quite small compared to the Navigator. No room in the back, no 3rd row, of course, and that wouldn't suit my needs very well. I'm guessing it's probably better crawling on rocks, but I don't do a lot of that anyway. They're a lot of money. I think the Navigator is a much better value. More room, power and luxury for the money. Equal performance for routine use.
  • I know there are some discussions of tight supply but I am getting really mixed info from the dealer. Over a week ago I was told the car was built awaiting shipment (given a delivery date of 9/23) then I was told it was in quality control without a firm ship date and then I was told they do not know the status of the car (told to call next tuesday which is after 9/23 which is 2 weeks after the first delivery date I was given). The order sheet shows early June. I am starting to wonder if I will ever see this car (and I won't buy it without the current 3.9% financing that ends at the end of the month - the dealer has not given me a definitive answer on whether I can lock the financing).

    Does anyone know if there is a way to independently check the order status of a car from the dealer/order#?. When I bought my BMW I was given a VIN the moment it went into production and could call BMW customer service to find out exactly where the car was (down to where in the ocean the ship was). I am a little surprised of the sales process on a 50K+ vehicle (I would assume the dealer would have explicit details on all the cars on order).

    Thanks
  • Just one of the dealers here in Vegas has about 20 new Navs on the dirt. I should think you could find what you want available now. You ordering something unique?
  • I am ordering every option (willing to forgo the DVD as that can be easily done aftermarket) and want a black interior. I have been flexible between silver, black, and mineral gray exterior. Only found 1 car in stock that matched my specs and that was over 200 miles away. They would not honor the x-plan price and only wanted msrp (most dealers aren't offering x-plan on loaded navi's in my area - one dealer agreed to sell x-plan when I first started looking 3 months ago - after 3 weeks of test driving they tried to bait and switch me on the price when I was ready to put a deposit down).

    Maybe I should rethink buying American :-(
    (first american car - all imports I have bought have been very good experiences with straightforward communications).
  • If you want, look up Signature L/M in Las Vegas. I think they have what you want, and it's a small locally owned dealership. I've not known them to double-clutch customers. X plan is a question mark, but you could ask.
  • Does anyone have information or knows of a site with information on lowering my 4wd Navigator. I spend over 90% of my miles on-road and would like to reduce the on-road ride by about 2 inches while preserving the off-road ride-clearance.

    The Navigator is truly impressive off-road if you have a capable set of tires. I keep a decent set mounted on another set of wheels. That way I can switch modes in about an hours time. And you do have to take her out a ways to really appreciate what she was intended for.

    But what I'm trying to do now is to improve her on-road capabilities. I'm not talking Eibachs and Kumhos but just a measure of improvement to put more fun in the daily grind. And I'm thinking a 2 inch decrease in the center of gravity could do wonders for a top heavy beast like our Navigators. Increasing roll-stiffness could improve handling but with many undesirable effects off-road and all-around NVH would be a concern on an already marginal area. So that leaves me with tires and ride-height.

    I used to have a 91 Mark VII where sensors could be adjusted to affect ride-height. The flexibility was great. But I can find no corresponding way to affect the ride-height of the Navigator; must be built-in to the suspension components with no user accessible adjustments possible.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Surfinmutt
  • My order has also been bumped back (only 1 week) - and this will probably push my delivery into October. I'm concerned about missing out on the 3.9% financing. Has anyone heard what Lincoln has planned for October? Any chance of 0% financing, like GM is advertising?
  • nofeernofeer Posts: 380
    I read somewhere that after the first (jan) nav gets more power to compete with escalade. Anyone can confirm?
  • Am looking at a 03 Navigator msrp 49530 for 42304, does that sound about right? Second choice is a msrp 52797 for 45047. Both are about 3% below invoice, as near as I can figure. I have been told also that for the A-plan you can't order, but must take delivery from dealer stock or through a dealer trade. Does that sound correct. Really like my 00, and look forward to getting a 03, many good changes.
    Thank you for your assistance!
  • Anyone out there that has 2 car seats in the back, can a full size adult also fit comfortably in the back seat?
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    I sat in a new 2003 third row seat and fit fine. I am 6'4" with a large build! If you get the power lifgate it will take away some headroom back there but not much. I currently own a 2000 and the third row is not comfortable for me at all. Most people who have been back there don't feel too comfortable either (except smaller folks).
  • I mean is sitting in the second row at the same time as the two child seats comfortable?
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    I misunderstood your question.. I don't have two car seats YET.. check back in a few years though and I hope to have a bunch more car seats!:) (it looks like there's plenty of room though).
  • I have heard a couple of "rumors" that the Navigator may be going away in a couple of years? Any truth?
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