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  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    A facinating experiment, george - and I appreciate the info. Sounds like so much work, I'd rather pay for the gas - however, I do drive quite conservatively IMO, most of the time. Except, on the highway, I do go 80, and slowing down there is the best thing you can do to reduce wind drag, and increase mileage. I don't have the patience. I'd probably get 20 mpg out of a Prius!!!!!
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    " I don't have the patience. I'd probably get 20 mpg out of a Prius!!!!!"

    Haha. Well, u might as well keep the Nav then eh?!

    I'm not inclined to do 55 or 60 mph either. You being in Nevada, it's got to be real hard to go that slow. I may take a long trip with the family over the holidays and would like to get better mpg if I can. If I slow down to 60-65 and practice some of these tips and saw 19 or 20mpg hiway I'd be pretty happy.

    I could get a Prius or Civic and get 40 or 50 mpg, but then I'd have to leave 1/2 the family or all the gear at home:>)

    Just ain't no winnin.
  • mistermemisterme Posts: 407
    "A few messages ago someone (misterme) came by trolling about how we feel about gas prices"

    To set the record straight, if you take a look at my message it wasn't trolling at all, and in fact as benign as possible, only had a question.
    Honestly asked, honestly answered.

    I'm glad that you were able to get some good results using a few of my tips, that's why I posted them.
    You're right, all of them are not applicable all the time under all conditions and while it may take some initial work to implement them, after a while good habits become routine and hardly even thought of.

    99.9% of drivers don't realize how much improvement/savings can be had no matter what they drive and mistakingly think their vehicle just gets what it gets.
    If you don't want to implement them that's fine, but to many people even a little relief from the pump helps.....or could be alot of relief depending on how their used, even in a Navigator.
    Thanks for posting a link to the tips here, I'm glad they're getting around. ;)
  • I've not noticed a whole lot of engine braking with the '05 6 speed tranny. Would there be a significant increase in mpg by coasting in neutral? Just a thought.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Naturally, there wouldn't be, when you're only going from 6 to 5. For engine braking that matters, you'll need to go back to at least 4, or maybe 3.
  • I currently drive an '04 Eddie Bauer Expedition. I love the interior of the Navi but I wonder, aside from the additional safety features standard on the Navi, is there additonal differences which would account for the big difference in price, e.g. more sound deadening insulation, etc.?
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    You can get most of the stuff on the
    EB that you can get on the Gator - but not the plasma display dash. I guess the engine is the same now, didn't used to be.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    Hi firstnav.

    Your 6 speed tranny I'm sure keeps the revs on the hiway lower than the 4 speed tranny in my '04. So probably you would see less of a difference. Coasting in neutral (which I've been informed is illegal in some states so be aware of that) helps because it drops the engine RPM to idle speed and takes the load off it.

    So I promised to report back on my mileage experiments with my Lincoln LS and the number is in. After wussy-footing it for about 280 miles, I got 28.3 mpg which is about 25% better than my normal 22mpg when I pretty much hot-rod the car.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    That's incredible, George. I'm very impressed!
  • Wow! I'm impressed! I wouldn't expect that kind of improvement.

    I mentioned engine braking before because I have had to change my driving habits while driving the 'Gator. In my Dakota and Outback, I am able to pretty much judge how much they will decelerate when I take my foot off of the accelerator, but I'm having trouble with the Navigator because of the 'coasting'. I know that while coasting, the tranny tends to 'drive' the engine, keeping the rpm's up while decelerating. I would assume that the higher gear ratio would keep the engine rpm's down while coasting.
  • whats up people ,
    i have an 02 navigator i bought in march with 36k on it, at about 38k when im at hwy speed then i would floor it it would kick down to around 3200 -3500 rpms n hover at that rpm for a sec or 2 then take off . at that same time i was getting 17.3 mpg. i put on a after market air intake on it and was getting almost 19mpg on the hwy. the tranny problems stayed. about 2 weeks ago i was driving and i watched the mpg drop to around 15 mpg and the tranny feeling is still the same. brought to dealer the found a break in the overdrive wiring fixed it but everthing is the same. put the stock air intake back it and got around 16mpg dont know what the problem is . i have 42k miles on it now . can any body help ???
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Don't forget, you have a ton more weight and the corresponding inertia with the Gator that you didn't have with the other two cars. If you're going downhill, you're holding a lot more car back with the engine brake, and it may be overcome by gravity.
  • Good point. It's just been a little scarry while driving brainless and suddenly looking down on the top of the trunk in front of you. :) BTW, I just drove to Western Md. from the Balto. area today (and back). Pushing 5mph over the limit, up and over the mountains, I got 16.3 I'm not displeased, especially since the dang thing just sits in the garage most of the week. But I do really like this truck. I think I'll keep it.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    If it makes anyone here feel much better about their SUV, I'm on my 2nd LS, and the highest (which I almost became orgasmic) that I ever had any of them get was 15.3 MPG.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Yeah, but you get orgasmic at super market grand openings, don't you, ANT? :shades:
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Now, now! Let's stick to the script! :)

    tidester, host
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Ironically now that you mention it, they upgraded the Walmart in my area of town, and through my participation in the local city boards we granted Walmart to expand to a Super Walmart, provided they upgraded the exterior facade of their store, and pump more trees/foilage into the parking lots as well.

    Now completed, it's amazing how well they did it. Simply one of the most elegant Walmart I've seen. Parking lot is a forest, and they also donated over $90K in trees to the city to plant elsewhere as they wish. Now THAT was orgasmic actually.

    But now that I mention HUGE, like the Navigator. My parents living in FTL have had to make due with generators to power their house since Hurricane Wilma ravaged S.FL in the hopes of improving local economy and improving run-down areas. heh... I receive a call from my mother threatening to come visit me because they are running out of gas to power the generators...(Remember, no power means, gas stations can't pump gas).

    So I tell her, out of the 4 cars in the garage, take the Navigator which has a huge gas tank and SUCK! She didn't get it... "SUCK damn it, SUCK the gas out, Syphon it !!!" So now thanks to the Navigators huge gas tank, they have enough gas to power the generators for a few more days.

    And that's a nice positive story that just because you spend $70+ on filling a Navigators gas tank, doesn't mean it goes to waste, it can actually power a home ;)
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Well - here's the poop on the Gator, which only cost me $63 to fill today. Because of the 12.2 MPG it gets me in town, I decided to get the old Lexus out of mothballs and drive it a bit right now, which I've been doing. Its low MPG number is the same as the Navigators high number. Problem is, as nice as the Lexus is, I miss my Gator when I don't drive it to work. Drove it through a large gravel mining pit today on business, and would hate to take a Sedan through that. But the Gator handled it great, and the clients I had with me, enjoyed the tour. It's hard to give up the utility of the Navigator, gas tank notwithstanding. We have had no recent natural disasters (I sold my house in Gainesville, BTW), not unhappy about it now, although they usually weren't hurt too badly. Sold my Caravan I kept there with it.

    My wife wants me to dump the Navigator in favor of a more fuel efficient car, like her Mountaineer???? Not a dimes worth of difference, IMO, but it's a perception thing....
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Maybe replace the Navigator, with the next Aviator ? Also, there's the "people mover" which Lincoln is currently developing. I hear it'll have some executive "Voom" under the hood that will make it sound Very Violently VOLuptous... ahem...
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Yes, that NEW Aviator is starting to sound very appealing. Anxious to see more stuff on it, and check it out. That teaser pic you posted looked good, from what we were allowed to see. Might just be perfect.
  • this problem has been fixed, the dealer couldnt figure it out and couldnt duplicate the complaint, but discussed possibilities, I personally changed the fuel filter and to my amazement found that it was severely clogged. Problems are gone . so much for dealer technicians
  • awaxawax Posts: 8
    Steve,

    Do you mind listing the main features that the Mobile Ease added to the Navi?

    I have a 2003 with the DVD navigation. I just purchased my first Bluetooth Cellphone and also bought a Bluetooth PDA. I am thinking of having the Mobile Ease installed but am wondering what features it adds.

    - Does the Navi screen display the CID?
    - Does it add hands free operation via the built in microphone for the navigation voice control?
    - Is the address book transferred to and from the navigation system?
    - Do you know what the difference between "Mobile Ease" and "Hands Free Cell Phone Prep Harness"?

    I am trying to decide if it is worth the money to get it installed. It needs to be relatively easy to use in order gain acceptance from my wife.

    Any comments you have would be greatly appreciated!

    George
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,114
    "Other than the front and rear fascias, this Navigator prototype appears identical to the current model in both its size and shape."

    2007 Lincoln Navigator (Inside Line)

    Steve, Host

    Moderator
    Need help navigating? stever@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • Looks pretty cool!- I like the square gauges.
    I was told the 2007 Mark LT (Bad Name!) Truck is getting a similar update
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    It IS rare to get such a good quality interior pic of an "under development" car. Nice find!!

    That front grill is worrying me a bit -- I like the classic Lincoln waterfall grill -- I'll reserve judgment till the secrecy cover comes off.

    I'm glad they are getting rid of the plastic radio cover. I always though that was unnecessary and looked cheap when I owned a navi. The entire center console always seemed a bit "hollow" when you tapped on it and looked a bit plasticky for an SUV of this caliber -- I hope they make it more solid feeling and luxuriously feeling on the inside.
  • I see edmunds picked up some Spy Shots of the '07 Navi.

    My initial impression is the changes seem a bit odd. Moving to a Horizontal Grill implace the dominant Vertical Grill, and back to Round Fogs vs the Squares that came in 05'.

    It appears the overall shape is the same, with just the Front and Rear Facia Changing.

    Inside looks a little too retro from what you can tell, but Spy Shots are tough sometimes.

    I have an '05 Navi Ultimate, so maybe I am too biased here, but I like the simple Lines of the '05 and '06 Front and Rear and the Dash is classic and simple.

    Sort of glad to see that the underpinnings' of the Navi does not appear to be changing, as those who have an 05'+ know the right is absolutely superb. Granted MPG is bad, but again, it's a 6,000# Brick.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    "I have an '05 Navi Ultimate, so maybe I am too biased here, but I like the simple Lines of the '05 and '06 Front and Rear and the Dash is classic and simple."

    Hey, don't forget the '04! I have an '04 Ultimate and it's little different from the 5 and 6. The only 'big' improvement is going from a 4 speed to a 6 speed transmission. Even so, the 4 speed in my 04 is (so far) flawless. Probably the best shifting auto tranny I've ever used.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Hey, gteach! Didn't know you were still lurking around here. I'm about to turn in my 03 Navigator in a couple of weeks, I'm out of miles on the lease, about 1.5 months early. Not getting another one, only because of the price of gas, and my life has changed a bit and I don't intend to be doing anymore camping. My Mountaineer can tow my toys just fine. I remember you did the same, and replaced it with your LS430, which is what I'm now driving too mostly.

    Question for U: Did you turn your Navigator in early, and if so, did they charge you the $200 early termination fee?
    If they won't, I'll give this truck back now, rather than keeping it as a driveway ornament.

    Good to hear from you again.

    NV
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    "Even so, the 4 speed in my 04 is (so far) flawless. Probably the best shifting auto tranny I've ever used."

    I totally agree, heyjewel. Both Navigators I've owned had awesome transmissions, and the 04 shifts like butter. Actually, the whole power train in these trucks is amazing.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Turned in my 03 Navigator this morning, terminating the Red Carpet Lease without buying another Lincoln. First time I've ever done that. Have to say it was a very pleasant experience, unexpectly so. They did NOT charge me the early termination fee, and said Ford will bill me for my last payment (no doubt about that) but didn't demand a check from me at the time, which I also expected. Whole process took about 15 minutes, and they didn't even pressure me to buy another car. Much more pleasant actually, than when I have bought the cars out of the lease.

    Kudos to Lincoln for being a class act.
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