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2008 Scion Xb

dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
Scion just announced the new Xb at Chicago.

Looks very interesting.

I do have two concerns though. What do they have against cruise control? It costs hardly anything to add, and is not a polorizing option like sunroof leather and some others - where people will not buy the vehicle if it is present. I can't imagine a car having cruise being a dealbreaker for anybody.

Second thing is the new engine. Yes more power is welcome, but I fear they took it too far. If it has the same engine and tranny it will use about as much fuel as a TC, which is more than a V-6 Accord or Camry on the highway. I hope they gear it like the Camry and not like the Tc. A 1.8 from the Corolla would have given a welcome power boost and would probably have increased mileage as well.
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  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    Well - looks like one of my issues was taken care of. Cruise is now standard on the xB. I was worried because there was no mention of it in the initial press releases.

    Now if the fuel economy/gearing is there it should work out.

    Interesting how they switched the height and length in the specs - I guess everybody makes mistakes.

    http://www.scion.com/nextgen/downloads/pdf/xb_featuresSpecs.pdf

    Here is more info.

    http://www.scion.com/nextgen/
  • These exterior specs don't make sense...AT ALL! :confuse:
    Features and Specs PDF

    Exterior Dimensions (mm):
    Overall Height: 167.3
    Overall Width: 69.3
    Overall Length: 63
    Wheelbase: 102.4

    Maybe the height and length are switched and the measurements are supposed to be in." not mm! :P

    Killerpiece :shades:
  • "I notice that despite the long list of standard equipment (especially on the xB - look at all the safety gear that's standard), there's no cruise mentioned! Surely this will be a factory option this time around? What is it that Toyota thinks younger people hate so much about cruise control? And both of these engines come with available or standard cruise control in other Toyota models."

    Look at the standard features and you will notice that cruise control is there! :)

    I too like the xB interior! Hope they didn't lower those headroom specs... I LOVE the airy feeling! :blush:

    Killerpiece :shades:
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    anyone here thinks the 2.4 is an overkill?

    I thought instead of giving us a 5 dr yaris, xB and xD (where is xP?) are two different flavors we'll be getting. The 1.8 is great since it should deliver great mileage and it's proven in corollas. But I'm not so sure about the 2.4.

    I wonder if toyota's marketing research found that people who had bought xB like to have a big block in their mircrocars?

    I hope toyota will offer the 1.2 diesel they stuff in their europe yaris. If there is anywhere in their lineup where a modern diesel engine would be welcomed, this is it.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The 2.4L can be very efficient when mated to an economy geared tranny. Reference the 3300lb Camry 5M with its very respectable rating of 24/34.

    ~alpha
  • I read that the new xB's engine is the same as that in the tC. Some also say that it's the same as in the Camry. I had thought the tC used the outgoing Celica's engine. So is the new xB using a Camry or Celica engine? Or are those two the same thing after all?
  • chronochrono Posts: 149
    Actually it's the same engine and tranny from the Tc. The Tc is rated lower at 23/30. I would have much rather preferred the corolla engine in the new xB. Wonder why they sacrificed fuel economy this round?
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    Yes - I would have also much preferred the Corolla 1.8 like the xD has. It would have still been much more powerfull than the old engine, and would get excellent mpg.

    I just hope the car gets Camry gearing not Tc gearing.

    To me the whole advantage of a car like this is to have all that room and excellent mpg. If it gets about the same mpg as a V-6 Camry, RAV 4 or a Subaru Outback with AWD, then what is the point?
  • twaintwain Posts: 185
    So it does have cruise? Great. Surely they wouldn't make the same mistake twice.

    I like the 2.4 in the B. Plenty of grunt when it's loaded with people and cargo. And for those who want better mpg, there's the 1.8 in the D. I like the changes.

    I also like the new center mounted gauges. For me, the old B was too small with too small an engine and no cruise. Now it's something I'll consider.
  • any idea when one could obtain a new 2008 xB? i emailed scion in hopes they could tell me. i'm escatic :) . i had a 2005 and really didn't care too much for it. got a civic. but willing to reconsider now! the console is awesome :shades: . oh and now comes with an armrest.
  • la4meadla4mead Posts: 347
    I like the 2.4 if the gearing is right, and the xD will be offered with the 1.8 for those who want an economy wagon.

    The equipment level seems OK for the price (if cruise is finally included - but I didn't see it either). What seems to be missing is a factory power moonroof option, presumably to cut production costs, although it was available on the Matrix which the xD was supposed to be based on.

    It's too bad, the xB would have been really awesome with a big factory "Skyroof" with all that flat metal. It would have made it seem like a real nice little "GT" well-equipped wagon, something missing from the competitive market.

    I'm sure there are a lot of folks who would not agree with me, and think moonroofs are an unnecessary luxury on a vehicle in this price class, but I think they really improve the spaciousness, ventilation, and fun factor, and when the cost is amortized over the life of the car, it is a well-spent value.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    Here is a photo of the dash - you can actually see the cruise, so it looks like it will happen.

    http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/02/08/2008-scion-xd-first-video-and-89-hi- - gh-res-images/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autoblog.com%2F2007%2F02%2F08%2Fchicago-auto- - -show-toyota-unveils-the-all-new-2008-scion-xd-w%2F&frame=true

    Just checked the link and it is off a little - click on the Xb on the left and you will get to a ton of pictures.
  • I wonder what the fuel tank capacity for the new XB is. I hope it's more than 11.9. Does anybody have any info on this?
  • twaintwain Posts: 185
    From certain angles, the new B has a look similar to the styles of the 30s. Especially in the thick D pillar and the chopped look. With a more retro front end, it could really play the part.

    IOW, the B isn't retro or even attempting to be but I think the stylists accidentally caught the look.
  • mikusmikus Posts: 109
    Current xB looks nice, proportional and functional, it has the engine of just the right displacement (ok, I would not mind 1.8 Corolla's engine instead), and it already has the roomiest cabin. It is a perfect city car with credible highway capability.

    This 2008 monster with huge engine, bad fuel economy and styling cues taken from the ugliest SUV ever -- I am talking about FJ cruiser -- is an ungainly and dysfunctional piece of crap. The only thing that Toyota have done properly with xB/xD is putting 1.8L engine on xD.
  • The new xB has lost its "cute" factor, so to speak. No longer a headturner, it has joined the ranks. The Scion designers are apparently hoping to tap a different segment of the market, I suppose. It is an xB in name only.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    Count me among the folks that do NOT think a moonroof would be out of place on this car just because it is low-priced.

    As far as an all-glass roof like the tC has, things get a little hairy when you make a long, wide, and especially HIGH roof like the xB's all glass. Things can go tippy in a hurry. You can compensate by increasing the ground package, widening the track, etc etc, but really despite its microvan status the xB is still going to be a relatively small vehicle. If they make it huge to accomodate an all-glass roof, they kind of change the whole thing.

    I so wish they would reconsider making the 2.4 the standard engine. If I had my wish, it would be optional with the 1.8 as standard. I guess there were just a few too many people on the web complaining about how slow the current xB is (and to be fair, many of the articles in the press said the same thing. I thought the power was fine, although it is certainly not a fast car - too much drag from that vertical grille and windshield).

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    A 1.8 liter would have also been fine by me. It would have still been a significant upgrade.
  • twaintwain Posts: 185
    Different things appeal to different people. I like the new xB. Toyota fixed the things I didn't like about the current one...too small, too small an engine and no cruise. It was mostly a city car, not too good for the highway.

    The new xB may lose some old customers but it will pick up lots of new ones.
  • xB. God, it just gives me chills down my spine every time I look at the '08. I bought an '05 xB, not really because I was paying much attention to the powertrain, or options for that matter, but because it was dirt cheap and looked absolutely awesome. I drove it for about a month, and realized--hey, this isn't all that great afterall. It handled very well, but here in the Ozarks (I live in Northwest Arkansas), its incredible lack of power really started to get on my nerves. Not only that, but in this area (I'm sure it's the same story elsewhere as well), the winds coming in and out of the mountains can be quite strong. When your driving a wall down the road, they can be quite an annoyance as well. I traded my '05 xB for an '05 Sentra based on these factors. However, it looks like '08 is going to be my year for the xB. It's got more guts, more options, much better looks, and hopefully, it's newly-found curves will help with the wind buffering issue. I really hope the price stays low, and I am definitely not worried about a 5 or 6 mpg decrease because of the new 2.4. I want some giddy-up. Nonetheless, as I see more and more pics of this thing, my most favorite detail is the deletion of that huge, off-proportion front bumper of the first-gen xB. It was just tacky. But the '08...oh the '08...it I LOVE.
  • The old xB and xA were closer in size and shared the same engine. Even though they looked vastly different, they weren't that different in terms of product. Now, the xD (xA part 2) is slightly wider and has a decent motor. It only makes sense that Toyota enlarged the xB to further differentiate it from the xD.

    As for the motor, yeah, I wouldn't mind having the fuel economy and reasonable performance from the 1.8 engine. However, the 2.4 is fine. If I care THAT much about fuel economy, I could just buy an xD or next generation Matrix/Corolla wagon. As for the economy of the xB, if I could get around 30 on the highway and 23-24 in the city, I'd be just fine with that compromise considering the added space and supposed performance.

    As for looks, the old xB was a beauty in the eyes of the beholder. I liked it, but let's face it they're boxes. My first priorities are reliability, space, simplicity and low price (probably not far from others). If Toyota can deliver on these promises, I don't care that much about styling. Quirky and ugly are fine, just not Aztek ugly.

    If Toyota can keep the price within $1,000 of the old xB, they'll sell every one can make in no time at all.
  • OH NO!!!!

    You just used the dreaded "A" word :surprise:

    Aztek!!!!!!! :cry:

    :P

    Killerpiece :shades:
  • la4meadla4mead Posts: 347
    I agree with you entirely. If your sole criteria is the style or look of the car (fashion) you are not likely to be happy with the car for other reasons, or keep it very long anyway, so why debate all the details? It seems for so many folks the styling is really important, an ultimate factor in the whole experience.

    Personally, the styling is way down on my list... Utility, performance/handling, fun, reliability/durability, cost of ownership, special features... these are all attributes that are much more important to me than the "look". Perhaps then, the image the xB portrays is that of fun utility, and not meant to be especially fashionable (who cares as long as it doesn't look like three cars sat on top of each other like an Aztek ;) )?
  • I really like the improved feature content of the 2008 Scion XB. The new styling reminds me of a mini 2007 Chevy Tahoe; especially from the rear/side view.

    I really like my 2005 Scion XB for the following reasons:

    Great handling, interior room, rear seat room, ABS, traction control, stability control, unique styling, cavernous cargo space with the rear seats down.

    However after driving it a while I realized that I missed cruise control, trip computer, exterior temperature, and the car also lacked storage space with the rear seats up. The vehicle also lacked passing power on the highway.

    The new XB has addressed all those issues; and most important my wife likes it, so she might let me trade in the 05 to get an 08.

    I just hope they keep the pricing in the same price range. I am also concerned about the gas mileage...I can only hope that they tuned down the 2.4 liter to get the same gas mileage as the 1.5 liter, while still taking advantage of the increased torque and power from the larger engine.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    There is no way the 2.4L is going to return the same fuel efficiency as the 1.5L. However, I think its reasonable to expect a dip in overall MPG of about 2 or so, which wouldn't be too bad.

    ~alpha
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    If they gear it properly, there is no reason it can't get just under camry hwy mpg (more drag) and about the same city. That would put it at 24/33 w/ current EPA procedures. I would accept that. If it gets Tc mpg, then I probably won't consider it.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    is it gets tC mpg. Look at RAV4 - same engine, heck, might be the same powertrain to save costs. I bet the xB couldn't do much better mpg with the same goods - it has less weight but worse aerodynamics.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    But you can get a stick shift on the xB and not on the RAV4, so auto mpg may be close, but manual will be better with the xB.
  • "... I can only hope that they tuned down the 2.4 liter to get the same gas mileage as the 1.5 liter, while still taking advantage of the increased torque and power from the larger engine."
    After all, there is no reason that 2.4L and 158 HP should not get the same MPG as 1.5L and 103 HP ;-)
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    "After all, there is no reason that 2.4L and 158 HP should not get the same MPG as 1.5L and 103 HP"

    Very true. The Accord with a 166hp 2.4 gets EPA 24/34 while the Aveo with 103 hp 1.6 liter also gets EPA 24/34. Both with automatics. ;)
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