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The New Scion 2008 xD

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  • 719b719b Posts: 216
    if you're using the numbers from the 2006 xb, then you're right... it does have the most head and leg room.
    the 2008 xb is a new model and i don't believe the head and leg room dimensions have been published yet. the 2008 xb has a lower roofline, so it may not have as much head room as the previous model.
  • ohplezzohplezz Posts: 74
    Hi everybody. I don't know if this thread is dead or moved or what but I'll give it a try. I live in nyc and I'm going to the auto show today. I have been interested in the Xd since I heard about it a couple of weeks ago. I like the idea of being about to customize it and the possibility of getting good mpg since gas here in the city will likely be 4 bucks a gallon this summer. I'm going to buy something this summer or fall and the Xd is on my short list but the jury is still out. I found a list of add ons on the scion website and I thought some of you guys and gals might want to see them. I'll post tomorrow after the car show on my thoughts of the Xd. The limited slip diff is definitely a sweet mod for this car. The TRD list is not bad at all. But cruise control is not on the list of standard features or add ons. Very stupid on Scions part IMO. But you can get a decent after market one added on from the company that scion uses to add cruise control on its models that are sold in the south east. Cruise control has always been a option down south as it should be every where!! Enough of my rant.
    xD Accessories:

    Interior: Carpeted Floor/Cargo Mats.. Cargo Cover.. Cargo Net.. Center Arm Rest.. Shift Knobs.. Sport Pedals.. Cargo Liner.. Color Steering Wheel.. Ashtray/Lighter.. LED Light Enhancements.. Scion Security.. Auto Dimming Mirror.. Illuminated Scuff Plate

    Exterior: Rear Spoiler.. Carbon Fibre Engine.. Cover B-Pillar Applique.. Rear Tail Lights .Rear Bumper Protector.. Exhaust Tip.. Sound System: AM/FM/CD with iPod Capability ..Premium Audio XM Radio*.. AVN .. Headrest Monitors.. Sirius Radio*.. Sub-Woofer *

    TRD Accessories:

    TRD Lowering Kit
    TRD Performance clutch
    TRD Sport muffler
    TRD Rear Sway Bar
    TRD Strut Tie Bar
    TRD Alloy Wheel
    TRD Limited Slip-Differential ;)
    TRD Oil Filter
    TRD Quick shifter
    TRD Performance Air Filter
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I will be very interested to drive one in the fall (they are not coming out until early fall by the way) and see how good the stock handling is. They will still have the solid axle of the Yaris in back, of course, so the lowering kit and sway bar will probably make a world of difference.

    The Rostra cruise you mention is relatively cheap and reliable, and functions in a way very similar to that of the Toyota factory cruise on other models.

    I am really hoping they don't try to gear this model really short to pull extra speed out of it - with the Corolla engine and a lighter weight chassis it has the potential for really great fuel economy, something we know the xB won't have any more.

    Let the people who want speed add the TRD supercharger. :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ohplezzohplezz Posts: 74
    Well I went to the car show and checked out all the new offerings from scion and everybody else. Over all it was a good time even though the people that the manufactures hire to rep their products at the shows often know less about the cars than I do and that is not saying much. The scion Xd when every thing is factored in from my perspective is the winner. I have to have a car that gets good mpg or at least has the potential and I want it to look decent as well. Brand reliability is big as well. In its stock form the Xd is a little turd but with some after market wheels and tires (don't buy them from scion, way over priced) and the TRD accessories for handling and maybe a body kit, this little Xd won't look half bad. It looked to have decent room in its interior for a subcompact but I don't know for sure since it has yet to be released, nobody could sit in it. Overall I have to say that it is now my top choice for fall purchase (your right nippononly about fall release and the name of the cruise control company sounds right as well.) The other cars that caught my eye were the new accord coupe concept due this fall and the suzuki SX4 sedan. But the accord looks like its gonna cost more than I want to lay out for a car at this point and I don't think suzuki is quite there yet as a car company. The mpg that the 2.0L motor that they use in most of their cars is not so hot and the fit and finish was lacking, but they do make some quality motorcycles. Right now I'm just waiting for pricing on the Xd. I'm thinking 14k stock with out destination but that is just a guess. We will see. Now the wait.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    we know that side airbags will be standard on the new model, and the current model is about $14,650 with the airbags, including destination. That is with a stick shift. I figure with everything thrown into the new model, it will be a solid $500-700 more than that, so figure around $15,200 for a stick, including destination. This is also just about $1000 LESS than the new xB, so it preserves the pricing relationship they currently have.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ohplezzohplezz Posts: 74
    When you add on TRD springs, shocks, LSD and other labor intensive accessories to scions are they installed at there port of entry or at the dealership? It seems if they are done at the dealer they are gonna try to rip you off big time. How do you know what the OTD price is on the car before you sign on the line? I've always wondered about this with scion and I've searched the web with no answers. Do you know? Also what do you think about the VSC option for the Xd. Do you think its really needed if you drop it with the TRD springs?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    that everything shown on the Scion website as an accessory is port-installed. You can order the car with those accessories installed before it gets to the dealer's hands.

    It is no-haggle pricing, so you can build one just the way you like on the website, and pay that exact price when you pick it up. OTD would include taxes and fees, so you would want to look those over before signing on the dotted line.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ohplezzohplezz Posts: 74
    Thanks thats good to know. The only bad thing about it is the Doc fee. Some dealers go nuts on it. 350 to 550. Hopefully when the time comes I'll be able to find one that does not completely try to rip me off. I wish we could haggle over the price. But I can't complain. Anything these days under 20k is a deal. Thanks again for the info.
  • ohplezzohplezz Posts: 74
    The Xb price came out. $16,230 for 5MT with destination. Cheaper than I thought it would be. This sounds good for the little Xd. :)
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    Total fees at the three dealers in my city were $400, $500, and $900. I went with the $500 dealer. The $900 dealer is not screwing anyone. People see the $900 in fees on their purchase order, and pay them. People choose not to discuss the fees, and do not walk away and look at the other dealers. If the dealer has no trouble selling Scions with $900 fees, why should he reduce the fees?
  • ohplezzohplezz Posts: 74
    I use to sell cars. I know the game. The scion dealers were making about 700 gross on the 1st gen cars. Now adding 900 to the 700 gross on a 14k car is wrong. 1600 gross on a car the starts off less than 14k is greedy and if you are in the car bizz, or ever were, you know it. In the long run those dealers will get burned. Thats all I'm saying. I'd walk if some jack off tried that crap with me. The one that wants the deal the worst gets the worst deal. Go on the last day of the month (hopefully the weather is bad and has been for a week) and watch those doc fees disappear. ;)
  • mcmanusmcmanus Posts: 121
    Choice is a good thing for consumers and that is finally what Scion offers between their boxes. I'm surprised that Toyota didn't come up with a 2.0L or 2.1L for the xB. I had a 89 Camry with 2.0L DOHC and loved it (averaged a very smooth 35 mpg). But I'm glad to see the Corolla's 1.8L offered in the xD (good economy, proven, but a bit rough at high rpm).

    As said by many before, why isn't cruise offered? :mad:

    I'm old, but why are the Scion boxes still so ugly? :confuse:

    And while I'm at it, why hasn't Toyota ever fixed the long reach to the Corolla steering wheel? :mad:

    I don't need cargo capacity, so I'll wait to see what the new Corolla looks like. But I like the price (and no haggle pricing of the xD).
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The 1.8L in the xD is not the same as the 1.8L in the Corolla. Check out the edmunds.com Inside Line article.

    ~alpha
  • ohplezzohplezz Posts: 74
    Choice is a good thing for consumers and that is finally what Scion offers between their boxes. I'm surprised that Toyota didn't come up with a 2.0L or 2.1L for the xB. I had a 89 Camry with 2.0L DOHC and loved it (averaged a very smooth 35 mpg). But I'm glad to see the Corolla's 1.8L offered in the xD (good economy, proven, but a bit rough at high rpm).

    **The prior poster was correct. This is a new engine unlike the one in the old corollas and should be much smoother.
    **They probably used the 2.4 because it is a proven engine and using it saves them money.

    As said by many before, why isn't cruise offered?

    ** That definitely is a good question and one I do not have a good answer for. It is total stupidity on the part of scion for not having cruise control on the xD. It really makes me mad. It should come standard. The retards at scion have really screwed up big in my opinion. Their is a after-market one and if you look back a ways in this thread you will see the name of the company that makes it but after market cruise controls brake down a lot of the time. Pure stupid on scions part. Every other car in its class at least offers it as a option and on some of them its standard but nothing from scion. Idiots. :mad:

    I'm old, but why are the Scion boxes still so ugly?

    **LOL the youngsters that scion is trying to attract tend to like the boxy cars and the older folks tend not to. That was scions goal. They effectively ran you off.

    And while I'm at it, why hasn't Toyota ever fixed the long reach to the Corolla steering wheel?

    ** I don't know that one but my guess is in the event of a crash where the airbag deploys, people who are sitting farther back don't get their neck broke. But that is just my guess. What scion really needs is a air bag for the drivers knees. At least as a factory option. Toyota does for their sub compacts in europe. Thanks scion again for a exposing drivers to crushing injuries. I'd pay more to have a air bag for my knees. I need them and like them working after a bad crash. The tC has them :sick:

    I don't need cargo capacity, so I'll wait to see what the new Corolla looks like. But I like the price (and no haggle pricing of the xD).

    ** No haggle except the rip off Doc Fees that dealers charge. Thanks scion for allowing scum bag dealers to rip off and piss off your customers. :mad:
    ** Toyota has sent the redesigned corolla back ( it was ugly) to the drawing board. It didn't look nearly as good as the mazda 3 or civic which toyota is trying to compete with. Toyota is definitely not known for their hip car designs so you are going to have to wait and see what it looks like whenever it comes out but you will be paying much, much more money for the corolla. Scion gives you more bang for the buck if you can look past its looks and lack of cruise control :mad:
  • mcmanusmcmanus Posts: 121
    Don't know why Toyota can get so much right, but screw up on the obvious little things that can drive customers crazy. Are they so big that they're competing with themselves? Wonder how many have bought a Corolla just to get cruise or moved up to a Camry just to avoid the long reach to the Corolla sterring wheel?

    On a related issue, a friend works fairly high up in the automobile wheel industry. So I asked why car companies don't sell new s with better tires. He agreed that their cost difference would be minimal, but tire companies want to tease you aftermarket. Some car companies do offer good tires. Everyone probably has a different idea of what makes a tire "good". But 20K mile wear ratings (like on the tC) ain't good. Likewise tires that make a car look poor in braking or curves in published test reports can't be good either. Yes, it would create a race to pay tire manufacturers more to put good tire on all new s as you wouldn't want to have a Yaris out perform a Camry, but come on!

    It seems that the Solara is the only current good looking Toyota. Why can't they come up with more attractive cars? Even boxy cars can look better. Both the new Scion boxes have taken a step backwards from previous s. As you say, I'm probably too old to grasp this one. OTOH it wouldn't stop me from buying one. Maybe they're just trying harder than I imagine to keep us old farts away from the kids stuff.

    I'll be avoiding any 1st year engine, even a Toyota (blew the tranny in my 1997 Camry, a 1st year ). Still can't understand why, as long as they were doing a new engine, that they didn't roll out a 2.0L or 2.1L to "one-up" or keep up with the competition and fill the gap they currently have. I know keeping the same block is cheaper, but we're talking out the biggest car maker in the world and the largest selling nameplate in history. If not in this case, when would you ever develop a new engine?

    I prefer avoidance features to injury minimization technology. But I've yet to drive a car with ABS that doesn't lock up waaaaay to soon on ice or slush. Frankly I doubt that many drivers, when faced with a "head on" in dry conditions, would have the presence of mind to steer around the obstacle.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The transmission in the 1997 Camry - whether 4 or V6 - was NOT a new trasmission. It was just a new body, and the mechanicals were almost exactly carried over from the Gen 3 version from 92-96. Modest modifications were made to the 2.2L and 3.0L engines, but no changes to the transmissions, from everything I've read.

    If you blew the tranny in one of those vehicles, it was because it was a bad tranny, and not because it was new.

    ~alpha
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    From a business perspective, the following is not an issue for Toyota. In fact, its desired.

    "Wonder how many have bought a Corolla just to get cruise or moved up to a Camry just to avoid the long reach to the Corolla sterring wheel?"

    Now, of course, the problem arises when people move from the Corolla to the Civic, Elantra, et al. But moving to a Camry is perfect in the eyes of the bean-counters!

    ~alpha
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    as far as developing brand new engines for the scions goes, do you really think that out of all the cars toyota offers in the world, do you think that the scion xd or xb would be the prime candidate for a new engine? :blush:

    I can wait to see these in person. The only thing i wish they had was at least a 5 speed auto.

    Happy to see people finally realized that its not the same engine as in the corolla~!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    OK, well the Fit Sport offers standard cruise. I guess they could switch there. The Versa has some really sweeeet features for a subcompact (including cruise), and under $16K sticker no less. So they could switch there as well. It really is a great shame how hard Toyota strips its global models when it brings them to the U.S.

    I wanna see a Scion Aygo, if not the Charade. That would be cool! :-)

    But hey, make factory cruise optional, Toyota!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    The rating for the manual transmission is 27/33. Unlike the new xB, the xD numbers holds up pretty well. That translates to 31-32 city and 36 highway. Not a bad drop for the additional size and power of the xD over the xA.
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