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2008 Scion xB - new design... love it or hate it?

darthclutchdarthclutch Posts: 18
edited April 27 in Scion
http://www.carscoop.autoblog.com/photos/2008-scion-xb/



I have to say I like the new look, but I stil love my 2006 xB. I am actually disappointed they chose to put a bigger engine in it. I like getting good mileage.
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  • but that's a big blind spot from that C-pillar back there, eh?

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  • You're right about the possible blind spot in the rear C-pillars. This design looks like a scaled down FJ and the blind spot in that is horrible. I read a small article last week in a Dallas newspaper that the 07 XB will get the 2.4 engine from the TC and not the 1.8 motor as first reported. Does anybody have any info on engine size and specs?
  • I personally like the looks and if it were available this spring or early summer I think I would buy it as I am living in Japan, but moving back to the States in April. Here in Japan, the xB, though not using the Scion name was updated last year and looks quite nice and was hoping it was going to be updated in N. America as well. But since it wasn't and won't be for another 8 or 10 months, I won't be purchasing an xB. After seeing the redesigned models here in Japan, I don't like the 'older' models as much anymore. :cry:
  • I don't like the looks or the specs. The xB2 is an entirely different car. It has been stylized in way that looks disturbing to me, and is 12" longer, 3" wider, almost 700 lbs heavier, 50% more displacement and horsepower, much less mpg and much more cost.

    I wanted an xB with a more integrated front end design, side airbags, and a 1.8L engine. Scion has given me that in the xD.
  • hbgti1hbgti1 Posts: 16
    I was wondering what source you used that specified the 700 lb increase in weight. If this is true, then that would definitely make a big difference. I was hoping for at most 500 lbs.

    Thanks
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    Autoweek noted an April 2007 release for 2008 xB. Can anyone else confirm?
  • I really like the improved feature content of the 2008 Scion XB. The new styling reminds me of a mini 2007 Chevy Tahoe; especially from the rear/side view.

    I really like my 2005 Scion XB for the following reasons:

    Great handling, interior room, rear seat room, ABS, traction control, stability control, unique styling, cavernous cargo space with the rear seats down.

    However after driving it a while I realized that I missed cruise control, trip computer, exterior temperature, and the car also lacked storage space with the rear seats up. The vehicle also lacked passing power on the highway.

    The new XB has addressed all those issues; and most important my wife likes it, so she might let me trade in the 05 to get an 08.

    I just hope they keep the pricing in the same price range. I am also concerned about the gas mileage...I can only hope that they tuned down the 2.4 liter to get the same gas mileage as the 1.5 liter, while still taking advantage of the increased torque and power from the larger engine.
  • redbrienredbrien Posts: 8
    Late Spring is approaching very fast; as a result, the All New 2008 Xb will be here soon. I been looking around the web for as much info as I could possible get on this XB. Scion(Toyota) has leaked alot of info, just not of alot of sites post it. The best one I have seen is http://www.leftlanenews.com/2008-scion-xb.html

    That will give you a taste of the '08 Xb. Also wondering if anyone has talked with dealers about ordering their Xb's. Alright guys. Later
  • z9z9z9z9z9z9z9z9 Posts: 101
    I would expect the fuel economy to be about the same as a FWD RAV4 with the same engine and tranmission. That was 24/30 in 2007, which will translate to about 21/27 using 2008 test procedures.
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    "... I really like my 2005 Scion XB... However after driving it a while I realized that I missed cruise control, trip computer..."

    Bought the Rostra cruise control for $195 and had it installed for $150.
    Bought a ScanGuageII for $170 that plugs into the diagnostic port behind pull-out dash cubby. It goes in the ledge above the steering wheel, and displays all the info that the car's computer knows about the engine, as well displaying any trouble codes, and also doing trip computations.
  • gunga64gunga64 Posts: 271
    Any idea on what month they will be selling the 2008. It really needed a new engine bad and it may now be possible for me to get one.
  • arumagearumage Posts: 922
    You can build one on the website now. Word is that it will be on sale by May.
  • lingnanlingnan Posts: 7
    According to the dealer, they already have the shipment in for California and I am supposed to test drive the new vehicle tomorrow.
    Will inform of the result afterward.
  • lingnanlingnan Posts: 7
    I went into the dealer to test drive the silver automatic but was sold (don't know if that is true) and they showed me a teal color one.
    The car has a lot of improvement over the 2006 and the dash is totally new, so is the gear shifter. (which is similar to Element now) A/C was sufficient enough over the 90 degree heat outside. When I pulled the car out of the lot, there is gusto underneath the hood, but the bottom seemed scrapped the drive way a bit. Cornering is good, under slow speed, and gassing up the car gets the immediate response from the new engine. Spacious interior, and comfortable ride according to my wife sitting in the back.
    Overall, for the money, out the door price just slightly under 19K is not bad for a new car. There is room enough under the hood to work with most of the items. The trunk space is enormous, gives me a feel of the Element.

    I told the salesperson that we want the silver, when they have it.
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    "... There is room enough under the hood to work with most of the items."

    But the 2.4 engine is turned around compared to the 1.5. The exhaust side, where there is nothing to do, is in the front. The intake side, with the airbox connection, fuel injectors, throttle connection, etc, is hidden on the back against the firewall. I put a cruise control on my 2006 xB -- it would be a lot more difficult on the 2008 xB.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    It is much improved over the previous monstrosity.
  • dtown40dtown40 Posts: 18
    I was going to buy an Xb before they changed the style. I really liked that little car, and then Toyota/Scion had to change everything. Now it looks like its squinting like a constipated Chinaman. Sorry , but youve lost the sale with me.
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    "... Now it looks like its squinting like a constipated Chinaman."

    But it will be so cool to sit down low and peer out the squinty windows over the high sides.
  • You won't need to put cruise on it, since it comes standard with the 2008 xB.
  • Love it--bought it yesterday--they rolled off the trucks here in Indiana last week (week or May 14th 2007)--looks really great--great head turner!
  • bpraxisbpraxis Posts: 292
    Hello everyone and the Element now has serious competition. The Xb will sell extremely well in my opinion.

    The new model is massively improved and now will have much broader demographic appeal. It still has the edgy design but is much more funtional.

    For someone like myself who wants maximum storage space in a small package and does not want to blend in with the non descript styling masses, this is a bulls eye.

    The question is will we be able to buy this vehicle without the dealers adding additional dealer markup for the first year?

    What do think we will be able to buy it for?
  • I had my first tour of the new XB today in Hagerstown, Md. The Scion dealer had one on the lot as their display vehicle. It was a 5 speed Black on Black. Sticker price was $16k and some change. EPA ratings on the sticker show 22 City and 28 highway for the 5 speed. The box is very comfortable on the interior with softer, wider seats, and more nooks for storage. The center console is tiny and the drivers right side armrest is attached to the seatback and pivots up and down. It is almost useless as it is only about one inch wide. The headroom is very close to my 2005 XB, and I would call it almost the same, however overall height on the new design appears to be about 2 inches shorter.

    Sight lines are good in front and the sides but the giant blind spots on the rear corners are a drawback. Clearly, it shares styling cues with the FJ. I like the 4 gauge pack in the center. Rear seat hip and shoulder room is greater with the wider dimensions. The rear seats do not feel as comfortable as in my 05. Access in and out of the car is easier with wider doors. Cargo space behind the rear seats is greater. There are storage nooks in the huge corner C pillers. The spare tire is a donut with a solid steel rim that was painted tan. It looks like it belongs on an old woodie wagon, and there is a storage tray that sits on top of the spare. Cruise is standard, as is a/c, integrated turn signals in the side mirrors, tilt, and single disc cd. The wheel tilts but does not telescope. There is a ratcheting height adjustment lever for the driver and a knob that adjusts the tilt of the seat cushion. Standard tires were Bridgestone Turanza's sized at 205 55 16.

    The EPA numbers place the new XB smack in the middle with many other cars. This mpg puts the XB in the same range as the Subaru Forester and close to it in price. I look forward to reading actual mpg numbers on this site from the members.
  • I had test drove the Element and they are scarce around these parts. I was willing to buy a new '07 however they only had 4x4 loaded versions in stock and it was just a bit too much for my wallet.

    I purchased my 2008 xB black on black automatic for what is advertises on the Scion site $17,180. They accidentally forgot to charge me for the video stereo--and tried yesterday to call out the mistake and have me take the old stereo back or pay for the new one--not on my watch--I paid sticker and have signed all documents for that amount for that car--I called their bluff by saying "well what do I have to do to return the car" and they decided to let me keep the stereo ($400 on Scion site)--so that's good.
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    I looked at the new xB2 at a Scion Backstage event. I am 6’-2” and was surprised to find plenty of headroom, though less than my xB1. Even though the car is lower, the seat must be lower, too. Still, it was not hard to get in and out, and each seat has nice overhead grab bars. The surfaces that are dull pebbled plastic in the xB1, like the dash and doors, are smooth shiny plastic in the xB2; odd but practical. The 5-speed shifter came out of the dash at an angle, and felt smoother than the xB1. The back seat did not have the same amount of legroom as the xB1 with the front seat all the way back. The trunk was about 6” longer. There was a storage bin under the trunk, but it was so divided up that it will not hold as much as the xB1. The temporary spare wheel was painted a mustard color, evidently to advertise its emergency nature. The engine compartment was more crowded than the xB1, and the 2.4L engine is reversed compared to the 1.5L, with the exhaust in the front and the intake and throttle hidden behind against the firewall. It is a good thing that cruise control is factory-standard, because it would be too hard for an aftermarket installer to work behind the engine. The car had alloy wheels that showed off the disk brakes on the rear. It seems like a lot of car and engine for the money. However, I am turned off by the high and rising belt line, both from outside and from sitting inside, and bothered the huge blind spots caused by the C-pillars. It is odd for a wagon to have no rear side windows. I found the interior to be claustrophobic compared to the big bright windows and high ceiling of my xB1. The xB2 makes me think of a cross between a Batmobile and a Bradley Fighting Vehicle, and I would not get it to replace my xB1. If I had to do that right now, I would look at the Forester even though I don’t need AWD.
  • bpraxisbpraxis Posts: 292
    Congradulations on your new Xb and thankyou for your pricing insight.

    In Florida the Scion dealers want a $700.00 dealer fee which seems to be non negotiable.

    Keep us posted on how you like it,

    With appreciation,
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    "... In Florida the Scion dealers want a $700.00 dealer fee which seems to be non negotiable."

    That's the beauty of Pure Price. No worries about negotiation. When I bought my 2006 a year ago, I just checked the three dealers in my city and went with the lowest fee. They ranged from $400 to $900.
  • fragofrago Posts: 2
    Completely in love with this new XB. It is a hit all around. All of the things I hated about the old one are gone. Its really peppy now too and scoots along well. Very spacious interior and the slit windows give it a chop top street rod look.
    Never thought I would see the day I bought a Scion but this is the coolest car anyone has designed in quite some time and I am sold.
    Pick it up in two more days.
  • subjectivesubjective Posts: 62
    We have owned our 08 Scion xb 5 speed for 4 days which now has 350 miles on the odometer. The trip computer shows 29.2 mpg and by me measuring fuel used comes out to 29.1 mpg by driving secondary highways at 55-60 mph and incity light traffic. My wife and I really like this 08 xb much better than our 05 xb which we have enjoyed very much. You must drive the o8 xb to appreciate how good it is. A good 5 or 6 speed with proper shift points would make the automatic better than by using the 4 speed now being used. This shows what a young team of engineers and designers can do when not dictated to by stale management.
  • The tiny gun turret windows/high beltline and huge C-pillars are a big mistake. Sensible design, practicality and safety lost out to Toyota's styling department's decision to copy GM's and Chrysler's mistakes. Unbelievable. Then again, they'll probably sell a ton of these to the 50-70 year olds, secretaries, grannies, and college girls etc. that seem to love that nasty PT Cruiser. No doubt Toyota conducted multiple styling clinics that told them that this styling would be popular with consumers. I'm betting more than 80% of the new xB sold will be automatics.

    Of course, this all raises the question of exactly what market segment is Toyota trying to reach with its Scion brand. Funky, bold, unique, practical, inexpensive vehicles like the xB were supposed to be Toyota's way of bringing new, younger buyers into the Toyota family. The changes seen with the 2008 xB are what I would have expected from Chrysler or GM - not Scion. All the car needed was a few minor upgrades: 1.8 L engine, standard cruise control, a traditional Honda-simlple dash, slight freshening of the front end and revised tail lights. If they wanted to get adventurous they could have added a diesel engine and brought in a bunch of sales from the tree hugger and commuter segments.

    Since last Fall, I was holding out on buying an xB since I knew the new model was coming. As soon as I saw the 2008 xB, I went out and bought my 2006 xB. What the he11 was Toyota thinking? I suppose the redesigned tC will come with tail fins, a big spoiler, whitewall tires, fake wood side panels, 19 inch chrome wheels (with spinners), fake carbon fiber interior and pinstriping? Can't wait.

    The 2004 - 2006 xB was cool because it looked like it did and seemed to be designed without a care whether or not people would like it. You either "got" the xB or you didn't - most people seemed to either love or hate the design. If I remember correctly, when Scion first came to California in 2004, Toyota actually expected the xA to outsell the xB by around a 2:1 margin. The style and practicality of the xB resulted in the xB trouncing the (practical-but-bland) xA in sales. Now fast forward to 2007 where we have a new xB introduced that seems to be trying hard to look cool. Sorry Scion Toyota: you can't fake "cool". You either are or you aren't. People (and companies) that try to look cool usually just end up embarassing themselves. (Think Microsoft's Steve Ballmer and his legendary "Developers, developers, developers, developers..." speech.)

    I'm seriously considering buying another 2006 xB and putting it in storage...
  • subjectivesubjective Posts: 62
    My wife and I both had the same feelings about the 08 xb as poster #32 until we drove it on a 110 mile test drive. We also felt that the 06 xb could be slightly upgraded with side airbags, the 1.8 engine,better aerodynamics etc. Our new 08 xb is averaging 29+ mpg in normal driving which is better than the 23 mph that we expected. The new standard ammenities/driveability are so nice. It seems to us that the 08 xb is actually a new different model and the 08 xd is the replacement for the old xb. We have and love both xbs.
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