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Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    That's why the Vigor has such a long hood.

    Bob
  • bsvollerbsvoller Posts: 528
    I've been tempted to go for a metal skid plate, too, but I wonder what the impact on the front crumple zone might be.

    Semms to me that adding a metal plate has to change the dynamics, most likely for the worse, no ?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    It would just pop off in an accident and slide on the floor or be crushed just the same. Most are aluminum and not as strong as the sub-frame. Besides aren't crumple zones on the other guy's car? :)

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep, Bob, and a long wheelbase too. That usually translates into tons of leg room, but not in that car.

    Same with BMW 3 and 5 series, which also have longitudinal engine layouts (for the 2.5l and 3.0l models).

    I also felt the passenger foot well in the CR-V wasn't particularly roomy. It actually wasn't very comfortable to sit up so high unless you were driving (my wife drove, and liked it).

    -juice
  • Just to answer a few questions here...

    1. I feel that the C&D '03 review is just a half-baked effort at best. Definitely it was not done by the best C&D writer. It makes sense for Subaru's PR to send C&D a manual X model but it is odd that the car would come equipped with brush guard and extra gauges... push the sticker price higher yet gain you nothing in a car review.

    2. The C&D's claim about the wind noise around the A pillar is plain wrong, or at least, not with our 03 XS. We can only hear wind noise around the B pillar, or more precisely, the roof rack cross-bar right above the B pillar when going over 40MPH. I am sure the noise will go away if the cross bars are removed.

    3. Radio seek button... XS'es radio can do auto seek with the tuning knob. X'es tuning buttons can not do auto seek but it has a separate auto scan button. C&D put no seek button as one of the major complaints? Hello?

    4. Based on the C&D test numbers, the car idles at 39db and does 70db at 70MPH. The car is quiet enough. Even some Lexus can not make 39db at idle.

    5. It is interesting to see Road & Track has the guts to rank BMW M3 at the bottom 7th car last month and put Infiniti G35 above BMW 330 this month when C&D would put out a list of mistakes/misinfos in a simple review.

    6. Options.. our car came with the auto dimming mirror and upgraded speakers. The mirror is surely useful. The speakers perform better than what we have expected so no complaint either. Later we bought an air filter, a whole set of cargo nets, and the rear spoiler. Silicon Valley can get dusty so the air filter is a must have. The cargo nets do not have as much capacity as what we originally thought. We seldom use them now. The spoiler... well, it looks really nice on the car. We love it! Probably we will get the armrest extension next. It is good for long distance drive. Oh, we got all of the parts at cost. I installed the nets and spoiler myself. You can save money by getting things later. No need to get anything right at the front.

    7. Interior color. Only XS, non-premium Red has the gray interior.

    8. The sunroof does not tilt.

    9. For drivers, we found 03 had more legroom than CRV. CRV's steering position is bad.

    10. I am not 100% sure here... it seems the CD changer can only do random play within one CD.

    -bear
  • dcabdcab Posts: 101
    There is no Red XS (non-Premium). Only Black, Blue, Silver, Gold, and Green. There is a Red 2002 S and a Red 2003 X, but it also comes with a beige interior. By the way, subaru.com incorrectly lists the Green XS and the Red XS Premium as having a gray interiors. We liked the Green XS but didn't care for the beige. It's got too much yellow or something in it and clashes with the metallic center console. So we went with a Silver XS instead.
  • Oh, yes, you are right. No Red with gray interior here in the U.S. I mistook the Japanese model XT for XS here. Sorry for the mistake.

    -bear
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    Nothing new or of merit in it, just discussion of testing at Talledega Speedway. Notes that Forester not for "hot-footers" (quoting from memory, didn't buy the mag) and not to expect the turbo. Interesting that the piece describes Forester as "the perfect SUV for San Francisco." The reason given is the return of the Hill Holder clutch. However, given Automobile's right-wing bent I wonder if this isn't a jibe at SoA's marketing strategy. P.J. O' Rourke is a frequent contributor to Automobile; in this issue he and DE Davis Jr. live the high life as they careen around in a Lincoln Blackwood and Cadillac Escalade EXT (the Caddy Avalanche) playing great white hunter on a South Carolina Lowcountry plantation.

    I know this isn't my typical writing tone but the combination of articles irked me a bit. O'Rourke belongs in the National Review - or at least the National Lampoon - not a car magazine. For those who like politics in their car mags, at least Automobile counters with Jamie Kitman, whose columns in the UK's CAR are to the left of his US pieces.

    Overall, Automobile did like the Forester and DED Jr. has praised it and the WRX in his own personal column. I may still buy the issue.

    Ed
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I imagine they could combine the Concorde and Bunny ads...nah, never mind. ;-)

    I hate it when auto editors get political, and C&D is the most guilty of this. Loosh goes as far as to call them "Nutcase Militia Monthly". They are totally paranoid.

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    I still buy C&D from time to time but skip over the prime culprits, Yates and Bedard. I still want to run in the One Lap of America someday, though.

    Ed
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yates drives a massive Dually and a Mini Cooper S. Can you think of two more radical opposites?

    -juice
  • kate5000kate5000 Posts: 1,267
    I've got tired of their mistakes, strange test results, endless admiration for Bavarian products and opinionated editorials. Well, an editorial is supposed to opinionated, is just that their opinion is too annoying. For next year, I'll probably keep subscription to Autoweek and of course there's always some car info in Consumer Reports. But R&T, C&T, MT and Automobile are gone now from my subscription list.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Actually the biggest error in the C&D report is the weight. I still can't explain that. Maybe they had a pre-production sample?

    Other mags report consistently lighter curb weights.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I agree, I go out and do my own tests and/or talk to real owners...

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep, these boards are great, and a test drive tells all.

    -juice
  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    jimmyp1 Jun 18, 2002 10:56pm
    Are the animal rights advocate very certain that's a domesticated rabbit, or that that is even a rabbit?
    Looks like a hare to me.

    -Dave
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Posts: 1,676
    That would mean we've pulled our hare?

    Patti
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,911
    When I googled that last week, it was a cottontail, and cottontails were rabbits, not hares.

    Dang, now I'm gonna be humming "Here comes Peter Cottontail" all day again...

    Steve
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  • rangerron7rangerron7 Posts: 317
    "Hare today, gone tomorrow"
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Posts: 1,676
    now isn't that splitting hares?
  • ducktapeguyducktapeguy Posts: 115
    Has anyone else gotten the letter from subaru saying they needed the forsters to be reprogrammed? I think this only applied to the 2000-2001 models, something about the ECU needs to be reprogrammed for some reason, or the check engine light will come on. I've only seen one post about it in the last 3 weeks, maybe this was discussed a while ago? Does anyone know exactly what they're gonna do, and if my car works fine, do I really need to take it in? I'm pretty happy with the way my car runs right now, getting about 25 mpg, I'm afraid after I take it in my mpg will drop and I'll end up having a lot of problems i've never had before.
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Oh boy.....It's Wednesday, isn't it?

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, and...

    Chat is only tomorrow.

    ducktapeguy: no worries, it's just a flash upgrade, they do not reset the ECU. Someone had it done and reported mileage was unchanged.

    The change makes it more fault-tolerant, so do get it done, it'll only save you time and needless pain down the road.

    -juice
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Actually, my post was in reference to the "hare" jokes. I posted it just a second to late and another one slipped in before mine.

    Ken
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    You have to be quick as a bunny around here! <groan!>

    tidester
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    SUVs; Aftermarket & Accessories
  • joseph50joseph50 Posts: 235
    Have it done, but the guy at my dealer's service desk said over the phone not to make a special trip for it. It's OK to wait to your next oil change, inspection, or whathaveyou. No sense blowing away a morning of better part of a day having this done.
  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    steve_ Jun 19, 2002 12:01pm


    Steve-

    never got to see the commercial :(

    was looking at the pic from msnbc.com Jim posted.

    You mean cotton tail like

    image


    -Dave

  • kate5000kate5000 Posts: 1,267
    if it was showing mom and daughter saving runaway home pet rabbit from the dangers of the wild forest...
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