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Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,698
    that Oz-spec Forester PDF. Some interesting info there...

    Of particular note, is that the self-levelling rear suspension, found on their XS model, is an oil (hydraulic) unit, and does NOT have air bladders to worry about. :)

    Also, the dual-range 5-speed DOES have "shift-on-the-fly" capability, from high range to low range! The gear reduction being only 20%. :)

    Bring both these features over here SOA!

    It was also mentioned that the Hill-Holder clutch is particularly helpful in towing situations, when starting off on a hill. I sort of assumed that to be the case.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's true, the biggest problems are aim and height, but with HIDs, the results are far more blinding. Plus, what about driving over the crest of a hill? Then they shine right into your eyes. And no dimming mirror would help that.

    BMWs are the worst offenders, paisan. No doubt. I flick the mirror to dim it AND use my hand to cover the side mirror. Still, remember my top it down, so it looks like the cops are shining a massive spot light in my interior, LOL!

    If you have them, please just make sure they are aimed properly and not mounted too high.

    Reminds me of something. Last week a UPS truck was behind me at a light, I had my top down. He actually had the courtesy to turn his lights off! Just the headlights. I was so shocked, that had never happened before. I gave him a thank you wave.

    Sounds like we could narrow it down to unpainted cladding or monotone, and offer a moonroof on both, and that would make people happy.

    Kajko: lots of people are curious to see that. Please take before and after pics. Also, please measure the height to the top of the fender, to see the actual lift caused by the new springs.

    Thing is, I may not be able to justify selling Sandy. If I keep her a lot longer I'd consider those springs too. I'm curious about ride quality, and suspension articulation too.

    Looking forward to a full report, Special Agent Kajko!

    -juice
  • I don't read Japanese, so hard to tell exactly how that version differs. Was interesting, though.

    Navigation might be nice, but at $2000 + or - I'm not sure I'd get that anyway. From my persepctive, when it might earn its keep would be when I run into contstruction/traffic jams in unfamiliar locations. Hopefully it would provide an easy way out of those messes. Otherwise, I think Juice's approach of the $3.00 map (or free map from AAA) is the way to go.

    I couldn't tell what the item below the Nav photo was. Looks somewhat like a cell phone in a cradle, but not enough buttons to be a cell phone. Somewhat related, I tried to paste the phone in here, but couldn't make that work. How do you get a photo in a message?

    Even though we're not getting all the goodies some other markets get, I'm still happy with my '02.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    $2000 at MSRP, maybe $1400 via a wholesaler.

    If you have the Chase card, you might save up that much in a year or two, and get the Nav for free.

    -juice
  • I have the Chase Card. I'll probably use the coupons for routine service, at least the major ones. (What's the 15k service usually run?). Guess if I have to have GPS I could always go with a less expensive hand held model or PC-based model (I think they're out there).

    Beyond that, I'll probably try to save some for a down payment on the '06 Forester, which by then should have the dual range tranny and maybe a six speed too, self levelling rear shocks, variable valve timing, and a little more power.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I don't know because I've done it all myself, at least so far.

    I should get a Chase card. Really, I think I will.

    -juice
  • ninianninian Posts: 16
    I know it won't deal with glare in sideview mirrors, but I've become a huge fan of the self-dimming mirror I swapped in a few months ago. Got it more for the compass feature - the poor man's GPS. In spite of her many terrific qualities, my wife has little sense of direction, and if she gets turned around in a strange place and the sun isn't out, she's in trouble. Anyhow, the variable dimming feature does a terrific job of taking care of bright lights from straight back, no matter how bright they are. Seemed like an extravagance when we bought it, but I wouldn't live without it now.

    While we're on vehicle safety issues, let me add those spare tires mounted on the rear of other mini-utes, which limit visibility behind the vehicle. I watched a Sportage back into the grille of my Forester a few weeks back, while trying to get out of a parallel parking space. Fortunately did no damage I could detect. (Bottom of grille seems not to be attached to anything now, but maybe that's normal, folks? Didn't notice one way or the other before the bump.) If Subaru can figure out how to get these tires into the well, with a can cooler to boot, why can't other manufacturers? Maybe Subaru - and people who buy Foresters - are a little bit less interested in maintaining an SUV image and more concerned about safety? I think we all deserve a pat on the back for this. :-)
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Don't blame the gun, blame the people!!!

    I've driven lots and lots of miles and park in manhattan with my rear mounted spare tire, never once hit another car with it! People just don't pay attention, these are the same people who would smack your car anyway. The reason for them being mounted in the rear is many fold:

    1) Off roading you don't want to be digging it out from a well below the cargo floor of your vehilcle (you might have to unload all your cargo)

    2) Can't get mounted underneath cause if you get a flat you might not be able to lower the tire down from underneaths

    3) Inside doesn't work cause then your utility goes out the door.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I do think the idea of an auto-dim mirror with compass would be really cool. Don't have the time to wire it myself - two little tikes at the juice household right now take up all my time (not that I mind), but I'd consider it as an option next time around.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,698
    the rear bumper extended beyond the tire. Unfortunately, most if not all, don't. I think the Land Rover Disco has a pretty decent rear bumper. I think(?) it sticks out to the edge or beyond the tire, IIRC.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's what the hitch receiver is for. ;-)

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    FWIW I saw a Forester with an externally mounted spare in France last week. The spare was mounted on a swing-away metal rack that hinged at the passenger side and extended past the bumper. I have no idea whether it was aftermarket or a dealer-installed accessory.

    Ed
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I have seen some that mount to the hitch receiver, that was on a Jeep (aftermarket). But what would you put in the empty well?

    -juice
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Posts: 464
    In France last week? Where? I'm going next week to spend 16 days touring southern france and northern spain. I can't wait! I'll look for that Forester with the external spare! :)

    Brian
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    Brian: it was in Paris. I saw it near the Musee d'Orsay. It was a first-gen, base model in silver. Ironically, most of the Foresters I saw in Italy were black. ;-)

    Ed
  • kajkokajko Posts: 70
    juice, i thought about the extra room such an arrangement would provide for trips (hitch mounted spare tire). I would fill the space with: spare 12V battery (very handy), first aid kit, water filter, and perhaps a collapsible water tank. A Penfold pack would be handy (check Subaclub of QLD under Recovery & Safety). For day to day driving though, i would leave the spare where it's at.

    BTW, the shop quoted me $480 to get the springs installed, including wheel alignement afterwards. ouch!
  • texan5texan5 Posts: 23
    In the event of even slight rear collision, you would have to replace the entire rear door with this setup. Looks cool, but....
  • kajkokajko Posts: 70
    texan5, agree completely, that's why it would be handy for cramming more things for a trip off the track, yet not practical for monday-friday...

    So, i was comparing the stats between the Australian specs and US models (following the link i posted) of the Forester 03 X:
    US >>> Aus
    Mass: 1401kg >>> 1372kg
    Payload: 408kg >>> 578kg
    Towing: 1089kg >>> 1400kg (w/brakes)
    Roof: 68kg >>> 80kg

    I remember that a while back someone mentioned the US lawyers' influence in this. I realize that it might be true, but i would think the self-leveling suspension might also have something to do with this. why would i be able to load the forester with 375lbs more in Australia? or stick another bicycle on the roof?
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    It sorrt of looked like the one on the red car, but IIRC the wheel was closer to center and the tubes were round. My memory could be tricking me because I only saw the spare as the car drove past. The spare was covered as on the white car and the cover had the words "Subaru Forester" in the corporate font and the six-star logo imprinted on it.

    Ed
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Folks it's a BIG BIG Myth about replacing the rear doors. I know several people who have been rear ended with rear mounted tires, and NONE of them have had any damage to their rear doors due to getting hit. Most of the times, the car behind them brake-dove and their bumper hit the bumper of the car with the rear mounted tire. The few that did get the impact on the rear tire sustained only tire damage, none to the door. In fact the only times I've seen the rear door get tweaked is in an accident where the rear would have been pushed in anyway and in those "Theoretical" backing into a pole tests.

    -mike
  • Well, after not quite one year of parking in the remote spaces in parking lots, my Forester was rear-ended while parked! A GMC Envoy with a trailer hitch backed in to the rear of my Forester pushing it 12 feet forward out of its spot!

    My concern is the transmission (auto) and the AWD. The parking brake was on, the car was in park. What sort of damage to the drive systems can happen with such an impact?

    The car was driveable afterwards. I didn't notice anything unusual. The rear bumper was pretty much destroyed. The tail gate was pushed in and mangled.

    Anyone else with a similar experience?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    If the parking pin didn't snap I wouldn't worry about it too much.

    -mike
  • lspivalspiva Posts: 49
    I would never install the rear mounted tire on my Forester. A year ago, I witnessed of the accident when Nissan Pathfinder rear-ended Toyota RAV4. The accident occurred during the rush hour on San Francisco freeway 101. If anyone live down here knows that this freeway is a "parking lot" during rush hour, so the speed of the collusion wasn't greater than 5-10MPH. But guess what, Toyota had an extensive damage to the rear door and a shattered rear glass window. The tire cover though was not damaged, but it seems like it was trying to jump inside the car. So...no outside rear mounted tire for me. Leo
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Posts: 318
    ...yellow lights that they use in France and Germany? I was in France for a stupid marching band trip (great way to ruin a kid's cultural experience overseas) back in 1991, and I found it very difficult to look out the windows of the tour bus we were on with those bright yellow headlights that the French have on many cars.

    Are those legal in the US, because I've seen some aftermarket modifications on German luxury cars that have them. Sort of do-it-yourself jobs on older BMWs. Those, in my mind, are worse than HIDs.

    Personally, HIDs are much better, I think than regular headlights, and I don't mind squinting or getting glasses if need be. I like driving behind an Acura, for example, equipped with them, because I can see a helluva lot more detail ahead of me.

    My 2 cents.

    Later,
    burnsmr4

    P.S. - If I ever catch a GMC Envoy owner ramming my Subaru Forester around in a parking lot, someone's gonna find a GMC Envoy owner yanked out of said Envoy and run over by said Envoy before I leave the parking lot for home. :-D
  • ninianninian Posts: 16
    Paisan's comments about the utility of keeping spare tires outside are well taken, but I'm not sure I'm ready to go along with his initial point. To carry this further, people with guns do more damage than people without guns. (Let's not start a thread about gun control here, please; that's not where I'm going.) I'd rather see someone back something into my bumper, which is designed to take some punishment, than to back a tire into my grille, which isn't.
  • nygregnygreg Posts: 1,936
    I was driving last month had adjustable headlights. There was an knob just left of the steering wheel which allowed me to alter the "pointing" of the lights. I'm afraid, though, this feature would be widely abused here as many people do not taking driving seriously and have a "I don't care about the other person" attitude (especially SUV drivers).

    Greg
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Unfortunately "bumpers" on SUVs are not required to pass the 5mph test, which means that chances are the said bumper will just be sheet metal and/or steel w/o any shocks and this bumper will go right into your grille, causing more damage to your car than a relatively soft tire.

    I just don't see the reasoning behind not having them there.

    -mike
  • texan5texan5 Posts: 23
    The bumpers on the Forrester are the best of the small SUV group. See IIHS data for 5mph collision repair costs, for example. I'd give the bumper a chance to do what it is designed to do, before I rely on the strenth of the rear door.

    Besides those swing out tires are a huge pain in everyday life. It's a nuisance to move them every time you need access to the rear compartment and your hands are going to get dirty every time you are going to do it. A friend of mine has a car with this setup, I know.

    texan
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Hmm interesting, Never got my hands dirty on my rodeo swing away and my truck got DIRTY! :)

    -mike
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