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Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Frank - Nope, actually, that's the last thing I wanted to do. The vehicles haven't changed enough and the debate would be over the same issues with only slightly new numbers. It was old when we were doing it three years ago. I wanted to keep my participation to that single short post, but, I admit, I got trolled into this.

    I will concede that Wmquan's info does contradict what I recall from the press releases. I'm probably remembering a statement like, "low center of gravity" and interpreted it as "lower CoG". Maybe Bear will be willing to leave it at that. My apologies for getting everyone riled up.
  • hayduke01hayduke01 Posts: 128
    Good to see you over here. Eventually I narrowed my new-car finalists to the CR-V and the Forester. You provided some great info on the CR-V. Had cargo capacity and rear seat capacity been more of a priority, I might have gone with the CR-V rather than the Forester. (But coming from a Civic, I still got a lot more of both). Eventually chose the Forester, though, for several reasons: sportier, better content (e.g., the cold-weather package on the Forester, similar to what's available on the Candian CR-V but not the U.S. CR-V), and better AWD. Finally, I even liked the dealer better: much closer to home, latte bar, and for support of community causes that I also support.

    It was a good choice to have, though. I know I couldn't have gone wrong with the CR-V, either.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    discussion would best be handled over here, as this thread is dedicated to that topic.

    ateixeira "CR-V vs Forester: 2nd generation ..." Apr 25, 2002 6:07pm

    In any case, until both the new Forester and CRV are compared in one or several magazines, head-to-head, all this bench racing is purely speculative at the moment.

    Bob
  • sierratripsierratrip Posts: 53
    Frank,
    Thanks for the response. I would have prefered factory installed leather with the 'L' model Forester but, as I understand it, that is only available with the 'S' model and purchase of the premium package. If this is not the case let me know.
    Thanks,
    -Donn
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    that folks spend a Saturday afternoon visiting both Honda and Subaru dealers; examine the new CRV and Forester closely, and take them for test drives. Both models have been substantially improved over their predecessors. The seat-of-the-pants results may be surprising...

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep, varmint is not a troll so please let's be polite to our guests. Opinions differ, sure, but let's keep the topic on the cars.

    FYI: cat and bear are actually two people. This confused me at first, too!

    Aztek fan? By any chance was that GM_litogation? Now there's a troll.

    I think the new 2.4l iVTEC engine is the CR-V is more than adequate. It may actually be a little quicker off the line than the Forester, because it's geared really short and sends power to one axle. Like I said, I chirped the tires in 2nd gear. But the short gearing makes it a bit noisy at high speeds, and mileage was lower at 21/25, so nothing is for free.

    The Forester would probably catch up by the end of the 1/4, and may have better passing acceleration (depends on the speed, and again, gearing), but I don't think any of these measures will show a significant advantage one way or the other.

    Of course the 2003 is a little lighter so who knows. I haven't seen any instrumented testing yet, but my guess is they'll be close enough.

    Honda should bring on VSA, and if that means 4 channel ABS, even better. The Open Air concept had it, IIRC. And a roof opening bigger than the Forester's, too.

    Jason: congrats. I used a razor blade to remove window stickers, and WD40 (very little) to get the excess goo off the window.

    I have SolarGard tint, but the dyed film type. It has not faded since 1998, though. I paid $170 for 7 windows tinted at 35%.

    -juice
  • kate5000kate5000 Posts: 1,264
    I feel deja vu... reliving the past... I remember lurking at CRV vs Forester thread 2+ years ago... Oh, those good old day battles of titans (Juice/Ken vs Hondabro, etc)...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Actually I hope the 2004 Forester Turbo gets VDC, that would be great. If the Open Air is produced, I'd love to see those two duke it out.

    But a Forester with 217hp will easily be the quickest in the class. That may be my next ride!

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Hondabro was very troll-like. We had a guy on the Subie side that was similar, though, I forget his handle. Trolls don't stay for long.

    Ken and I are more like Spyponder and Varmint. Note that all four of us are still regulars.

    -juice
  • Hi all, I am cat.

    Frank - Actually I posted once only to ask varmint to clarify the "CRV 2002's CoG is lower than CRV 2001'CoG" claim.

    To all,

    I want our discussion to be based on correct information. Discussion based on unclear/wrong info will be meaningless, right?

    For bear, he is a bit naughty only. If you skip the naughty words, he is actually trying to pursue and provide correct info for discussion. You can ask bear to quote his source of info. Of course no one can be completely objective when it comes to the feeling of a car.

    In fact bear has been contibuting a lot to this group. I don't think you will call him a troll, right?

    If someone found himeself/herself making mistakes, just admit it directly. Go on with meaningful discussion. Everyone makes mistakes, right?

    I appreciate wmquan's data. He is also keen on pursuing the fact, and is open to discussion.

    Last but not least, I am cat, not a troll ^0^

    -cat "meow~~~~~~"
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,914
    I think it would be less confusing if each of you had your own member name here. In fact, I think our Member Agreement requires it.

    Steve
    Host
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  • storytellerstoryteller Posts: 476
    Juice: no, not GM_litogation. There was a kid with a name like Corey who was totally in love with the Aztek and ready to go toe-to-toe with any fool who thought Honda or anyone else might make a better car. I think it was Varmint who took him on. They eventually created their own thread. I got fond of Corey (if that was his name). He was like one of those inflatable dolls with the sand in the bottom; the harder you hit him, the quicker he bounced back up. The kid was a true believer.

    Steve
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    cat: no, a troll would have left by now, I wasn't implying that at all.

    I have a feeling Corey changed his handle, check out the Element thread. The new guy is just as arrogant if not worse.

    -juice
  • storytellerstoryteller Posts: 476
    Juice: you might be right. GM has also done a bunch of posting on Azteks, although I remember Corey as having more innocent charm. I suppose we should expect a few factory shills as ringers on these boards, too.

    Steve
  • mdrileymdriley Posts: 3
    My 2002 Forester automatic hesitates when pulling out slowly from a stop. This happens fairly consistently within the first couple minutes after starting the engine, even when the engine has been warmed up previousely (ie. driven for an hour, parked for a half hour). The dealer's only recommendations were to run 89 octane gasoline (which hasn't changed anything) and to give it a few thousand more miles for break-in (it has 7000 miles now).

    Is anyone else having this problem?
    Any info is appreciated,

    Thanks,
    Mike
  • cat_meowcat_meow Posts: 4
    Steve_HOST - I've a new member name now. Thanks for reminding us.

    juice - I didn't think you implied that. I am just a bit naughty too ;)

    -cat
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You might want to consider re-setting the ECU, so the tranny can re-learn your driving style. If it learns that you like quick starts, it'll provide quicker shifts, including down to 1st on slow corners.

    How? First let the engine cool. Then pull the negative battery terminal, and leave it disconnected for 30 minutes. Reconnect, start her up and let her idle for 15 seconds.

    GM gave Azteks to employees and told them to drive them around so people would see them on the road. Sales have been dismal, of course, despite the fact that they sponsored the #1 show when the model was launched (Survivor, the original).

    I also suspect ballot stuffing in the owner surveys, in part because many owners work for GM and probably didn't even pay for the car. Why else would the figures be so different than the minivans its based on?

    I love a conspiracy theory. ;-)

    -juice
  • speterson1speterson1 Posts: 228
    Hey Mike,

    Yeah, your topic was brought up on this board not too long ago. Hesitation in recent AT Foresters is nothing new. Various octane ratings will not have any effect, as you have stated. Anyone less lazy than me got a post # for when that issue was discussed? Probably would be easiest for you to scan through those first before everyone here repeats themselves again...

    With practice, you will learn how to finesse your gas pedal to minimize this problem, but it seems to be characteristic of the Forester AT.

    Steve
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Another suggestion - consider trying the "single-point ground" mod. For details check out i-club.com and do a search. People have reported smoother running.

    The basic idea is that some ground points are painted and therefore not well connected. So you connect a few wires to points that you sand (for better metal contact), and voila. Costs pennies and even a novice can do it.

    Mine is smooth so I probably won't bother.

    -juice
  • mdriley, can you elaborate a bit more about the sympton? The AT shifts too late or you feel there's a lag between the gas pedal and the AT?

    Just my guess. Yes, higher octane gas will not help much. It only means more knocking in the engine hence the engine will drive the torque converter harder but this will not do much with a slow AT. First I will make sure the ECU works correctly, or more specific, the ECU talks with the AT in the same tongue. Some '02 ECUs need to be reprogrammed. I will check this one first.

    The AT takes a lot of fluid(9.8q). It will take some drive to warm up the fluid and have the torque converter fully worked up. Merely warming up the engine will not help this much. I *may* consider flushing the AT fluid but put it as the last resort.

    -bear
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