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Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • joenhjoenh Posts: 11
    I don't know about other years and models, but our 2002 Forester came with P215/R16 94H's on alloy rims. I went looking for some used steel rims for snows and ended up with 15" steel rims. Tires are P215/R15 96Q Dunlop Graspic's. Haven't put them to any winter test yet, but they fit up fine with the same O.D.

    Joe
  • lbhaleylbhaley Posts: 91
    Jack, I called my Subaru dealer before I tricked Tire Rack into selling me the 16" steel wheel/snow tire combo package for my XT. He said that factory steel wheels were over $100 a piece but he could get me universal 16" steel wheels for under $50. He said a lot of the WRX guys were using them. I don't know if any dealers in your area are offering them, but it might be worth a call. The combo package from Tire Rack is working out great as I expected.

    -les
  • leo2633leo2633 Posts: 589
    Jack,

    FYI, the 16" wheels from the 2000-2004 Outback have the same offset as the 16" Forester wheels. I have a set of 16" steel '03 Forester wheels with Blizzaks mounted for my wife's '03 Outback.

    Len
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    FYI, the 16" wheels from the 2000-2004 Outback have the same offset as the 16" Forester

    That will let me expand my eBay search somewhat. But does this mean Legacy 16" wheels have different offsets than Outbacks?
  • m4ethm4eth Posts: 101
    Have had them on since day one. Zero issues.....very nice to have when you are stopped and want to crack a window without the water dripping in.

    Was meticulous in mounting them which I think was the problem with people woho complained of the noise.

    Bought them from a dealer in New Hampshire....IIRC...$125

    Please give me a brand name...and name of dealer in New Hampshire.

    Thanks, Mike
  • eb12eb12 Posts: 16
    We once had 29.8 MPG on almost all hiway and interstate driving in central and northeast Indiana.
  • rsay777rsay777 Posts: 100
    Now that the freeze/thaw of winter has turned our roads into a bombscape. I have found that the 03X is very good at doing the slalom around the pot holes. Bob L.
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    When the entire snow-packed road surface has been turned into a king-sized version of corrugated sheet metal by zillions of tire chains, no amount of dodging avoids the continuous bone-jarring impacts...
  • m4ethm4eth Posts: 101
    I finally found a frameless weather shield for the Subaru Forester...however the web site is located in Australia...the design is a one piece tinted plastic that inserts into the upper window frame allowing the window to be lowered slightly so interior can be vented for hot weather and during rain. Too bad the accessory is not sold in the US.
    Web site address is:

    http://subaru.com.au/explore/forester/accessorydetail.asp?item=17- - - - - 058&accessory=18673

    OK you US suppliers...why not here???? It would be an open market.

    Mike
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    ballistic: I'd be happy to let a local second-gen Forester owner *cough*bluesubie*cough* test-fit one of my car's 16" alloys. ;-)

    Ed
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sorry I've been away for so long.

    They showed an XS and an XT at Detroit, it was cool. Both silver. I've been focusing on the Legacy launch in the Future Models thread.

    Any how, one correction. 16" rims on pre-2003s were indeed alloys, but the spare was steel, so SoA does make an OE 16" steelie rim. I know because I got prices on a set of them when I was shopping rims.

    Kate - keep your rims if that's what you like. I have Jim in Texas' rims, from his Legacy turbo, the one from a few generations back. That makes it more than a decade old, and it still looks great on our Legacy.

    -juice
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,272
    Lots of pic links from Juice and Bob's Excellent Adventure can be found in the Subaru Crew - Future Models II discussion.

    Steve, Host

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    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Okay, Jack's "pre-03 pre-2nd-gen Forester" statement got me thinking. Is the current Forester the 2nd or 3rd generation? I always considered 98-00 to be the first, 01-02 the 2nd and 03-04 the 3rd. Now granted the changes between 00 and 01 were modest. Of course some of the car mags don't consider the Forester changed enough to justify even a 2nd gen moniker (at least that was the case in 03 when the term "modest face-life" was frequently used).

    -Frank P.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    No, I'd say the '01 model was a face-lift.

    I consider the '03 a new platform because it got substantial changes under the skin, including:

    * new aluminum front bumper beams
    * new aluminum rear bumper beams
    * aluminum roof rails
    * aluminum hood
    * head/chest side air bags

    Also note that no body panels are interchangeable when you look at '98-02 and then '03 and newer.

    Look at crash tests and the '03 got better scores, telling you the structure is stiffer.

    So for those reasons, I consider the '03 the first year of the 2nd generation.

    -juice
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    In addition to the wheel width and diameter, make sure the wheel offset is the same or close. Very important! If it's different enough, it will put a load on the bearings and/or you may get rubbing on fenders or suspension bits. Not sure what the offset is on our 03 XS, but I can crawl under and look if it will help. It's usually stamped on the backside of the wheel, it will say something like "ET53" which means 53mm.

    Craig
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    The distinctions Juice described do, IMO, correctly categorize all Foresters prior to '03 as 1st-generation, whereas the '03 marked the first 2nd-gen. Another factor supporting this is that IIRC the windshield, door, and tailgate glass on all pre-03 units was unchanged, whereas no glass on the '03 can interchange with any glass on the prior cars. When all glass remains the same from one year to the next, I call any other superficial changes a facelift. When no glass carries forward, I call it an all-new body.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Legacy
    1st = 91-95
    2nd = 96-99
    3rd = 00-04
    4th = 05-??

    Impreza
    1st = 93-01
    2nd = 02-??

    Forester
    1st = 98-02
    2nd = 03-??

    -mike
  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 854
    ..the dandy interstate fuel efficiency posted via eb12...just under 30. Well done..ez
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    In the UK I've seen Foresters described as such:

    Mk I - our MY 1998-2000
    Mk Ia - our MY 2001-02
    Mk II - our MY 2003-

    Ed
  • lucien2lucien2 Posts: 2,984
    and plea for using the model designations, since model years varied from country to country...

    So for Forester that's, what, SF, SG...is there a third?
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    Loosh:

    SF = 1998-2002 body
    SG = 2003- body

    Ed
  • m4ethm4eth Posts: 101
    Quote from Craig...consider the '03 a new platform because it got substantial changes under the skin, including:
    * new aluminum front bumper beams
    * new aluminum rear bumper beams
    * aluminum roof rails
    * aluminum hood
    * head/chest side air bags

    Wow did not know that more and more of the structure is becomining aluminum...I assume the hood was always aluminum...Most auto manufactures have switched to high strenght steels allowing thinner sheets of material to be used mainly in the body panels to cut weight...Toyota has done this (you can flex the fender panels in the Corrolla)...Honda's Hybrid however is all Aluminum...VW has used Magnesium in components to cut weight...however corrosion can be a problem if not careful.

    I do know that Aluminum typically cost about 4 times that of steel. Magnesium is about 10 xs the cost of steels...hopefully the repair/replacement cost of a Subaru's bumper is similar to a stamped steel structure?

    Mike
  • m4ethm4eth Posts: 101
    Can someone tell me how often you need to replace your exhaust pipes to include muffler in northern climates ... salt use is extensive in Ohio and corrosion of the exhaust pipes can be a problem...

    I know that Toyota uses stainless steel pipes which slows the corrosion rate but they will eventually leak after about 10 years of exposure to the salt.

    I believe Subaru uses an aluminized steel pipe for there exhaust which may help reduce the bad effect of corrosive salts...what has been your experience for the frequency in exhaust component replacement, especially in northern climates where salt is used??

    Thanks,

    Mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    That's when I replaced the exhaust on my SVX from Northern NY.

    -mike
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Don't today's exhaust systems normally rust from the inside out now? Or does that only apply to the ones that do frequent trips of short duration?

    -Frank P.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Frank, you're correct. I had a friend in Mass. whose Honda Accord exhaust rusted out after only 2-3 years. His wife had a 1-2 mile commute, and the water vapor never got burned out of the exhaust. So, it collected water and rusted from the inside.

    Craig
  • leo2633leo2633 Posts: 589
    My '92 Nissan Sentra has 240K miles. I changed the original muffler after about 7 years and 170K miles. All the rest of the system is still original. I concur with Frank about exhaust systems corroding from the inside out due to frequent short trips where the moisture doesn't get a chance to dry up. During the life of my Sentra (before I gave it to my son a few years back), it was used for my 100+ mile roundtrip daily commute.

    My '01 Forester's exhaust is all original, but I only have 80K so far. I'm expecting (and hoping for) about 150K before any changes are needed.

    Len
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 994
    I have a '99 Forester and no muffler problems yet. It looks similar in construction to my Toyota van, which after 10 years still had the original muffler. My Hondas and Mazdas have all had to have exhaust system replacements after 3-4 years. I wonder if it has to do with how low to the ground they are as well as materials they are made of (for those of us who live where salt is used extensively in the winters). Both the van and the Forester have more ground clearance.

    An earlier post mentioned problems with engine hesitation. There was a recall for O2 sensors on some models I believe. Ours was replaced free. If the Check Engine Light comes on, it may be the coil pack. We just had to replace ours.
  • rsay777rsay777 Posts: 100
    When I traded the 91 Legacy with 140k miles for the 03X, the exhaust system was entirely original. It spent most of the winters in salt country. I did visit the car wash with the under carriage wash quite frequently. The only problem I had with the exhaust system was a noisy heat shroud that liked to vibrate at 2.5k on the tach. Bob L.
  • m4ethm4eth Posts: 101
    Exhaust pipes can be affected both inside and out (the double edged sword...
    1. The exhaust pipe on short trips can build up moisture from the inside and this moisture resting on the metal will start corrosion. Short trips Bad...Long trips Better for pipe life.

    2. But the exterior of exhaust pipes exposed to salt and water spray for extended periods will also affect the surface but at a slower rate especially if you wash or spray your underbody during the winter months. Long and Short trips...doesn't really matter for the exterior...once you coat the pipe with salt its there until you remove it (wash it).

    Its good to hear the Subaru's exhaust pipes handle the salt spray well (Aluminizied steel must help)...or at least better than some other manufacturers.

    Mike
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