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2001 - 2006 Honda CR-Vs

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  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "I still do not understand why a vehicle that has "excessive torque steer by design" is not a problem."

    There are a few cars which have suffered from excessive torque steer by design. The V6 Altima and, to a lesser extent, the Acura TL with the manual transmission are two good examples. There is no reason why the CR-V should be added to the list of cars with that problem. When excessive torque steer is a problem, it is mentioned in magazine reviews, it shows up in owner surveys, and owners complain about it.

    None of that has happened with the CR-V. The only owner complaints of "torque steer" are coming from a very small group of people. It is not a universal issue. There is nothing to suggest that the problem is designed into the vehicle.

    If you are experiencing excessive torque steer, you have a problem. No one is debating that. Take it to a mechanic and work with them to get it fixed. However, just because you have a problem does not mean that problem was engineered into every CR-V.

    Now, if you have a problem with PTTR (a pull, which happens regardless of throttle position), You still have a problem which is not engineered into the vehicle, rather it is a problem for which the CR-V seems to be prone. It has been resolved via a number of methods, but it can be corrected.

    Figure out which problem you've got and get it fixed.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    tall enough to take a blow from the big boys without being over-ridden

    Crash test scores are Good for CR-V models with side air bags, but the Subaru Forester is lower and gets better crash test scores from IIHS.

    Here is the press release:

    http://www.iihs.org/news_releases/2004/pr121004.htm

    So I disagree that height is what helps them "take a blow". It's actually the air bags that make the (dramatic) difference, not the ride height.

    -juice
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I think he's talking about frontal crashes where bumper compatibility is a problem, not the side impacts.

    Neither the NHTSA nor IIHS use car-shaped barriers for their frontal impacts. Although both institutions have expressed concerns regarding bumper compatibility, they have not yet developed any kind of testing in that area.

    With their most recent crash facilities, Honda makes a big deal about their testing (they drive Pilots into Civics). So, the manufacturers are doing something. I'm certain Honda is not the only one. But the data from those tests are not available to the public, and would not correlate with anything for other vehicles anyway.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,621
    I think he meant from in front or behind... Over-ridden, meaning one bumper over-rides the other one...

    Side airbags seem to be the number one predictor of crash safety in a side collision..

    regards,
    kyfdx

    EDIT... what varmint says... beat me to it..

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The new side-impact tests for IIHS have tall bumpers meant to simulate a pickup truck or SUV slamming into the side.

    You're right in that it's the only industry test (so far) that actually measures protection from tall trucks. But that's the only data we have, we shouldn't ignore it.

    And in that test, taller vehicles didn't do any better, actually it looks like ride height really had no correlation to overall scores.

    Air bags did.

    -juice
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    ... anyone saying that ride height did have anything to do with side impacts. :confuse:

    I don't mean to diminish the IIHS attempt at testing, or the performance of these vehicles, but, since we're not talking about side impacts, I don't see the relevance of side impact data.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,793
    "I live in Dallas, Texas and going to buy a CRV this month. Is AWD necessary or worth it or is FWD all you need. Just seems like something else to use gas and break."

    The last time I went through Dallas, a 'norther blew in, and it got dark and REALLY wet. AWD would have been useful.

    Since it is only part time AWD, I would go for it, especially if you want the sunroof, 6 cd changer, alloy wheels, etc. The effect on MPG is very small.

    Not to mention good for heading down to the tank for some fishing. Or just good 'ole East Texas clay county roads.
  • hello. I have a 99 camaro and I've been looking around for a new vehicle. I love my car, but I want something that is safer, gets better gas mileage, sits up higher, roomier, more comfortable, and is an automatic. I found the 2005 CR-V and love the look, price, safetey, etc. I have not yet test driven one. There is no Honda dealership in my town and I haven't yet made it out of town to test drive one. The only thing I'm not sure about is the 4-cylinder engine. I know going from a camaro to a CR-V will be a huge change, but how is the 4-cylinder engine? Is it peppy? Can it pull a hill? Has anyone else here made such a drastic switch in vehicles?

    Thanks!
    Kristen
  • rhodyvrhodyv Posts: 16
    Check out reviews here and elsewhere to get some sense.
    This vehicle is NOT going to go uphill like a Camaro, and you'll kill the poor sucker if you try! BUT, in comparison to the Civic I just had which is also 4 cylinder and similar HP, it is a fair bit better. Certainly, once you get to speed in a CRV it feels quite "peppy" for a 4-cyl. I've been in V-6's that are not a whole lot better.

    Do a good long test-drive if the dealer will allow (or borrow/rent one if you can)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm talking about overall safety, and its (lack of) correlation to ride height.

    The tall throne might give a feeling of invincibility, but that's not necessarily the case.

    -juice
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    The only way to answer that is to take a test drive. Everybody's idea of "peppy" is different. The CR-V's 4 cyl is certainly peppy when compared with the other four cyls on the market, but not when compared with a Camaro.

    FWIW, my wife drives a 2001 Acura TL with the 225 hp V6. We switch cars all the time. I definitely have a different driving style when in her car. However, given that my CR-V is a 1999 model with a 5MT, that's not surprising.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    There's more horsepower than the original Ford Explorer, and it's lighter. Also compared to the early car-based SUVs, which had around 120hp; 160hp is adequate.

    -juice
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,793
    The car is very peppy, and if you rev it up it will pull all day long. The only issue with the vehicle (not sure of the 2005, mine is a 2003 with a different transmission), is that from 50-70 MPH you have to either downshift manually or floor the gas to get passing speed. The CR-V appears to be geared for good MPG at these speeds, and is a bit reluctant to downshift. Turning off the overdrive will also do the trick. That is the only thing that you might notice in normal driving. It won't pull like the Camero, but it has a lot of pep.
  • varmint,

    You wrote: "Figure out which problem you've got and get it fixed."

    Ah...if it were that simple...The problem is my '05 CRV is under warranty and the Honda dealer techs told me not to bring the vehicle back in because they cannot fix the problem that they eventually identified as 'pulling to the right.' The Honda Dealer repair manager told me my only recourse is to conact the Manufacturer since they cannot fix it. The Manufacturer insists that the torque steer is "designed into the vehicle" and, therefore, was "engineered into every CR-V." Hence, Honda Manufacturer has no intention of fixing the 'problem.' I am not saying the torque steer is engineered into every vehicle. The Honda Manufacturer disputes your (and my) position. I agree with you, according to these Boards, not everyone is experiencing excessive torque steer...but those that do are not too happy about it due to the runaround the Honda dealer and Manufacturer are putting us through. From what I have read, no one had the problem rectified completely.

    Since the dealer has not fixed the problem on three attempts and the Manufacturer's position is that no problem exists since the excessive torque steer is engineered into the '05 CRV, if I have an independent mechanic change parts that have to do with the steering, they will not reimburse me. This is why I have no alternative but to seek a legal means to resolve the problem since Honda is responsible to correctly analyze and completely remedy any problem with a new vehicle under warranty in this state. Steve
  • bshelbshel Posts: 232
    Steve, sounds like you are going to pursue the Lemon Law on your suv. Sorry to hear you've had such a time with a dealer. keep us posted on progress with your situation.
  • kurtnewkurtnew Posts: 8
    Hi,

    Does anyone know if Honda plans to come out with a V6 version of the CR-V anytime soon? We live in a hilly area and are wondering how well this would perform here.

    Thanks.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Hi,

    Does anyone know if Honda plans to come out with a V6 version of the CR-V anytime soon? We live in a hilly area and are wondering how well this would perform here.

    Thanks.


    Probably not. Have you driven the CR-V? If you worry about power get one with manual, goes 0-60 in sub 8 seconds. Which is not bad by SUV standards. Otherwise get a Pilot.

    Diesel may be coming in 2007 redesign.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Does anyone know if Honda plans to come out with a V6 version of the CR-V anytime soon?

    If they do it'll be called the Acura RD-X. :)

    -juice
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Never said it would be easy.

    My first suggestion would be to make sure you have everything documented. Find an alternative dealer where you can take the car and have them check it out. Document that.

    Lemon laws vary from state to state, but in most cases the dealer has three attempts to fix something before the lemon law may be invoked. Of course, those attempts need to be documented.

    Unless your alternate dealer somehow fixes the problem, pursue a legal option. A poster here at Edmunds by the name of Driftracer actually deals in lemon-law cases on a regular basis. He might be willing to point you toward some helpful resources.

    And, FWIW, your's is the only case of excessive torque steer I have ever read about. Others have reported many complaints of PTTR, but, as has been discussed ad nauseum, that's a different problem. PTTR is also very difficult to correct as there appears to be many factors which can result in that symptom. But you're chasing down the wrong rabbit if you think your problem is related to PTTR.
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,529
    Close - it's Driftracer. Try the Any Questions for a Car Dealer? for the dealer perspective.

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  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    D'oh! Typo on my behalf. I went back and corrected it. Thanks!
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,529
    I think the draft racers are mostly cyclists. :-) In any event, you should be able to find Drift in the discussion I linked.

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  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I can see it now... two architects working their pencils across a blueprint in an epic showdown...
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,621
    Actually, I think Darft is the new Pope's hometown...

    (fun with typos)

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  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,529
    Whew, I was afraid a Cad pun was coming instead, but this isn't a GM topic. Then there are the street clowns, aka daftracers.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Careful using the term :lemon: , the definition is very specific and limiting:

    http://autopedia.com/html/HotLinks_Lemon2.html

    -juice
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,621
    Interesting.. In KY, you have to have purchased the car here and be a resident... Something I've never done.. The Ohio version doesn't say anything about having to be a resident, though.. that is where I buy most of my cars.

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  • Thanks Varmint,
    Already had 2 different Honda dealers (for a total of 3 times) look at it and document what they did (or did not do) and 1 independent mechanic look at it.

    I don't believe this is the only case of excessive torque steer that you have read. Hawaii CRV posted on this Board and described the torque steer but also labelled the problem PTTR. She recently had a Lemon Law arbitration but we have not heard anything from her recently. Additionally, if you go to the NHTSA website, some of the PTTR described appears to actually be "torque steer." Once again, thanks for your input. Steve
  • V.doubtful on V6 anytime in near future. As for perfomance in a "hilly area",
    don't know where you are, but our CR-V operates in the Smoky Mtns area of far western NC at altitudes up to 6000 ft elev. w/ lots of climbs and descents. It is ok, performance-wise,imo: climbs ok, but for any effort in not shooting mpg in the head, you must draw a fine line, throttle foot-wise, between keeping forward "oomph" and holding the tach under 4K or better yet, <3K.

    The less than satisfying part is the extreme tire wear and brake pad wear I've exp'd and posted about. Much of this premature wear is due,imo, to the very curvy and steep descents we make down our mtn and in general driving in the area combined with the brake design capabilities and front suspension. (Non orig tires and bigger wheels&tires provided lil' relief.)

    The motor will pull fine, (though we don't tow or drive often with car "loaded"), but one will need RPMs to pull long, steep ascents and the tire/brake wear is nearly absurd compared to current and all former vehicle experiences. It gets around, and Up&Down,
    just not with out some huffing. Some owners here are near fawning in their regard for their cars; I have never benenamored of the CR-V. GL,md
  • I know you can fold the back seats forward to increase the storage area in the back, but has anyone removed them from the vehicle? Is it a quick process with no tools required??
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