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2001 - 2006 Honda CR-Vs

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  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    is one of the reasons for lousy crash performance. Just don't back into any trees.
  • varmitvarmit Posts: 1,125
    Joncod - Put the seatback in an almost fully upright position, adjust the cushion as you see fit, and tilt the wheel so that you can see the gauges. It's more like sitting in a dinning room chair than lounging in a lazyboy.

    Your mileage may vary. This is the most comfortable position I've found, but I'm 6'2".

    Kwh - The new RAV4 is the one that scored way at the bottom of the list. Right now, the Escape is actually the least expensive to repair. The old Soob Forester also scored well.

    The CR-V did not earn a stellar rating, but I believe the final sum was about half what the RAV4 costs to repair. As far as rankings go, I think the CR-V falls somewhere in the middle. You can look it up on the IIHS web site.

    No one knows anything about the 2002 CR-V, so the location of the spare is a mystery.
  • varmitvarmit Posts: 1,125
    Oh, one other thing. The Civic's five star ratings are for the safety crash tests. The bumper bash is not safety related.

    In the NHTSA safety tests, the CR-V earned 3 five star ratings and 1 four star. Its IIHS offset crash was "marginal". The Forester scores highest in that test. Given the new Civic's impressive performance in the IIHS test, I think it's safe to say that the next CR-V will improve its offset score.

    A year or two back, Honda completed construction of the industry's largest indoor crash testing facility. If I recall correctly, it houses eight different tracks. This facility allows them to ignore foul weather and test cars on a much more regular schedule. You'll note that every recent Honda design has earned very high marks in crash tests.
  • marlowe2marlowe2 Posts: 4
    Anyone know of a good place to lease a CRV in the Los Angeles area? What are the best deals people have gotten on a fully-loaded automatic? I'd like to not put a lot down and get a 3-year lease.

    Any info would be greatly appreciated!
    (Thanks also for comments on my previous message)

    marlowe
  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    Lots of dealers will part with the CR-V at or near invoice. Your credit worthiness will determine the rest. Doesn't Edmunds have a lease calculator?
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 39,029
    There's a link to a lease comparison tool in this article:
    Answers to Three Tough Leasing Questions

    There's some more advise on our Leasing page, including a DIY example if you're the type who likes to do their own taxes :-)

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  • hisammyhisammy Posts: 2
    I need a car for work in June and I'm looking at the CRV already for a while. However I've hear some rumors that 02 model will be out soon and there will be a great discount on 01 model. I just found that Honda already provide 3.9% financing (from edmunds) and is it possible Honda will announce a cash back rebate later? I can wait until as late as July... Just have to drive my old dump car to work :P
  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    Honda does not offer consumer rebates. Sometimes they hand out dealer cash, which can represent a slightly better savings, but they may give it as an either/or deal, meaning that you get the financing or the reduced price, not both.
  • shaq2kobeshaq2kobe Posts: 42
    did you get to speak to any of the Honda reps about '02? I thought someone had posted that the '02 CRV would debut at the New York auto show.
  • Karen@EdmundsKaren@Edmunds Posts: 5,023
    ...but I'm dropping by to see if any CRV owners would be interested in having a Honda CRV Owners Club on the Owner's Club Board.

    No, it doesn't mean you will be forced to move from this discussion. It will always remain here in SUVs. Take a look through the Owner's Clubs board to see what other clubs are doing.

    Let me know if you are interested!

    KarenS
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  • varmitvarmit Posts: 1,125
    Karen - Well... yeah, I guess there could be an interest. The CR-V is still a hot seller and Edmunds is the best consumer site around. However, most folks who already own CR-Vs have become firmly entrenched over at that site-that-shall-remain-nameless.


    JM2C

  • Karen@EdmundsKaren@Edmunds Posts: 5,023
    But do they offer a Honda Community Page? Take a look at Subaru Community Page as an example. Take a run through the Owner's Clubs and see what other clubs are doing.


    KarenS
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    Karen-Edmunds Community Manager

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 39,029
    maybe not, but they do have this rather, er, "strange" shall we say, Spy Pics article....perhaps it's best that it stays over there, lol.

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  • varmitvarmit Posts: 1,125
    I love you too, Steve. =)

    I'm not holding a six cylinder and saying, "this internet is too small for the both of us, partner". I just don't want you to go through the effort of setting up something as complex as all that, just because I'm interested. (I know how heavily my opinion is weighted around here and I have to be careful with such a powerful tool).

    Hey, why doesn't Edmunds send a few delegates to the Mid Atlantic CR-V meet in MD? They're always looking for sponsors, too. :-)
  • shaq2kobeshaq2kobe Posts: 42
    stay away from those MDXs, that could be trouble w/long waits and overpricing dealers.lol.But its still a great vehicle........
  • I have a 1988 Accord with 150,000+ miles. Bullet proof engine. Has new clutch, tarns and disc. items. How does the CR 4-wheel drive system work? How bullet proof?
    Any weak links in the CR? I'm looking at a 1997 CR with 50000 miles at a dealer.

    IA Paul
  • marlowe2marlowe2 Posts: 4
    Kind of hate to have to follow that, but...
    Ladychaos: wondering if, since it isn't a true 4WD, are insurance rates affected by choosing the 4WD over the 2WD? Is gas mileage affected by one over the other?

    Thanks,

    marlowe
  • shaq2kobeshaq2kobe Posts: 42
    when you say replacement for '02, what do you mean? Do you mean I could buy a '02 and then have the engine replaced when the hybrid engines become available? or do you mean they will just make the CRV a hybrid vehicle? I would love to get a hybrid CRV, especially for the 100 miles a day I travel........lol
  • varmitvarmit Posts: 1,125
    Paul - In Consumer Report's latest car issue, they rated the CR-V as the most reliable vehicle (of any class) in the US market. Last year it was rated as the most reliable SUV, but was ranked in the top 7 or 8 overall. The RAV4 (old model) has also scored impressively high.

    The 4 wheel drive system (RT4WD) isn't really a factor in the reliablility or mpg average for the CR-V. As Ladychaos pointed out, it acts like 2WD almost all of the time. Originally, the 2WD was given a slightly higher mileage rating than the 4WD. This was not because of it's mechanical effects on performance, rather it was the fact that the 2WD weighs less than the 4WD. The actual difference turned out to be negligible and was retracted. If MPG is your concern, owners have found that the 5 speed has a slight advantage over the automatic.

    What are the mechanics of the system? It acts like a 2WD until there is a difference in speed between the front and rear axles. That is how it detects slippage. If the front tires are moving faster than the rears, then the system activates. The sytem will activate in reverse and will dissengage to allow antilock brakes to function. Also, the transfer of power to the rear wheels is progressive. The more slippage it detects, the more power it sends to the rear wheels.

    How does it activate? There is a drive shaft leading to the rear differential that is spinning at all times. This shaft is engaged when pressure is built up in the viscous fluid in the differential. That fluid pushes wet clutch packs together and creates a link between the drive shaft and the rear axle. (Well, it's a bit more complex than that, but I want to keep this simple.)

    How effective is it? Certainly it is better (in low traction situations) to have power going to your rear wheels before the slipping starts. For this reason, the CR-V is often maligned for having a slow system.

    Despite the fact that I've never been stuck myself, reading these boards had me convinced that the system was gawd-awful slow. However, I had the chance to study it in action while at the Bradford, PA meet in the Allegheny Forest back in March. I watched a driver try to get unstuck and was able to see RT4WD in action repeatedly. It made me a believer once again. The rear tires engaged before the front tires had spun more than half a turn. In may cases, it appeared to be instantaneous.

    Although I've owned a CR-V for two years, I'm always the one driving it in low traction conditions. I'd never been able to watch it happen before.

    Okay, is that situation normal? Armed with this new experience, I asked a CR-V engineer who visits the CR-V IX forum. (Employed by Honda to develop fixes for any problems. What a boring job.) I asked if it was possible that the RT4WD was reacting faster than normal because the fluid was preheated. He said, "nope". He suggested that it's possible the clutch packs may have become "grabby" from recent use, but he doubted that this would have a significant effect. He also noted that overheated clutch packs would result in a greater possibility that the packs would slip. Ths discussion happened back at the end of March or maybe the first week of April if anyone would like to look it up in the CR-V IX archives. I'm writing from memory.

    As for off-road ability... The CR-V will never compete with the likes of the Jeep Cherokee or Izusu Trooper. But for mild to moderate off-road use, it will go places that surprise many beast drivers (once again, note the 3 articles at the CR-V IX, this month alone). The Escape/Tribute and Sante Fe might be better choices due to their permanent AWD features (Ford's is like the CR-V, but it can be locked for low speed use. Nice!) I disagree with LadyChaos about the Forester, though. While it has a better AWD system, it's ground clearance is below average and its approach/departure angles are downright poor. It has a lesser chance of getting stuck on level, slick surfaces, but a greater chance of getting high-centered or stopped in its tracks by an obstacle. Traction problems will force you to use a $30 come-along. Rocks, ruts, and dead wood will force you to turn around.
  • varmitvarmit Posts: 1,125
    LadyChaos - Nope, I'm not sure about anything regarding the '02 CR-V. I posted over at the SUV.COM forum to see if any of the other "'02 Prophets" had comments. =)

    Recently, there was a posting by a designer who "claims" to have driven the new CR-V. He reported 186 hp from the new engine. Naturally, we were a bit skeptical. However, our dear friend the CR-V Engineer (mentioned above) confirmed that some folks have driven one! He's bound by corporate policy to stay silent, of course. (CR-V IX posts start on April 20, but get very silly after that.)

    Anyway, if the 186hp quote is correct, then I doubt we are talking about the 2.0L that I've suggested. It would have to rev up above 7,000 rpms to achieve that. The new hatchback Civic SI makes 180 hp from that same engine and would serve as a good preview. I doubt Honda will put something that revs that high in the CR-V.

    My guesses about the i-VTEC 2.0 are based on the fact that the engine fits in the Civic platform, it has more power than the current block, and it conforms to Honda's policies about fuel efficiency and emissions. Also Honda is a conservative company and will probably not completely change a design that is still selling like crazy.

    I understand why people like the 200 hp Escape, but folks have been happy for the past five years with efficient four bangers. The real world MPG figures for the Escape/Tribute are getting out to the public and people are listening. The new RAV4 seems to be selling quite well with a less powerful 2.0L than the one I'm suggesting. Power is not the only thing that gets poeple to buy these cars. Remember, Honda is in the business of selling cars. They do not make money solely by putting smiles on the faces of speed thirsty journalists. My guess is that Honda will put in an engine that will remove criticisms about power, but not much more. Honda still has to sell Izusu Passports for another year. When they introduce the next generation "Passport", buyers who want a Honda V-6 will have their truck.

    As for hybrids... Honda is considering an IMA hybrid CR-V. They have said so in press releases (see TOV for details). However, the first thing Honda will do is try a hybrid Civic model. If that one sells well enough, they may introduce the hybrid CR-V later on. We're talking a few years at least, folks.
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