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I have never paid retail for a car and won't start now. I may wait.
Tidester. The dealership is only half mile from Michigan Stadium and there was a game today. I had to wait until game started to get out of parking lot! 40,000 cars on game day. By the way the private golf course across from stadium is charging $30.00/car and parks about 3,000.Nice racket.
I am a former Ann Arborite - moved away from there about 14 years ago. (Yes, I miss the place! I worked for a private company but interacted with people from the U of M)
I lived a block off Stadium near Packard so I recall vividly the traffic situation on football Saturdays!
So the big question - are you going to buy a CR-V?
Go Blue!
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Yatchie - All CR-Vs are coming from Japan right now. The Swindon plant isn't up to capacity, yet. I have it on good authority that we won't see any English CR-Vs for the first year.
I've been monitoring another Edmunds TownHall site titled Nissan X-Trail not to be confused with Xterra. It looks like one heck of a vehicle. I recommend you check it out
- Open front wheelwells are somewhat disconcerting ... especially here in Maine where slush, snow, and ice are fast approaching. Anyone have a solution? Aftermarket item? (Previous models were fully closed.)
- Other aftermarket possibilities include extending the rigid plastic front grille surround ... similar to a recent Volvo. Likewise, more aggressive (paint protecting) side "cladding" than Honda is offering as an accessory.
- Overall, it looks very good.
- I'm scared to drive it 'cause I've promised my finances that we'll wait till Summer '02 to actually get one, and I don't want to be tempted to jump sooner :-) Plus, possibly leather will be an option by then.
I won't buy from a dealer that adds an ADM on to the sticker.
Bob
Women are shorter than men. Honda wants to make the CR-V appeal to men more than it has in the past. Solution: make the dash so high that many women can't see out. Fewer women will buy one, men will see mostly men driving one, and purchases by men will soar.
Getting serious for a moment: has anyone else who has been in the new CR-V been concerned about the dash? My wife is 5'2" also, and the sensation that she couldn't see over the hood would obviously be a big problem.
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I'm not happy I have to pay for a moon roof and alloy wheels just to get ABS. Or at least make the mirrors heated for the EX. All Soob Foresters have AWD and ABS, maybe all Soobs.
Going to take a highway drive at lunchtime. Got to test drive one Friday night on a city street - not as quiet as I expected, right on about the visors looking cheap. Tires look goofy, but I can live with it - just don't park it near a real SUV. I can live with the shifter and the hand brake. With an arm rest on both driver and passenger seats its going to be hard to walk thru to the back, just like our Sienna (1st to 2nd or 2nd to 3rd)
IC
I think that offering ABS on the EX only is a mistake, but then again I'd want a moonroof so it's not an issue for me. I'd actually like to see an SE model with traction/stability control and bigger wheels. Monotone paint. And 200hp. :-)
The $700 increase pays for the moonroof. It's a great deal when you toss in disc brakes, more power, and all the added content. Price is competitive. I still wouldn't pay MSRP, and don't think the CR-V is the type of model where it can sustain the MSRP sale prices, like the Odyssey. Wait 6 months, I say.
Nice reviews, folks (especially varmit's), now I feel like I've been in the car before. I should get a chance to test drive one this week. The wife's car problems turned out to be minor, so we may not be trading in soon, but I want to get a closer look at the Odyssey anyway.
-juice
But the CR-V LX is the entry level SUV for Honda. The fact that it includes stuff like A/C, power locks, and windows does make it seem like more than a stripper, but it's still the entry level model.
With that said, I think that Honda should keep the LX the way it is, but offer ABS as an option. Even if they tied it into a "safety"package" along with the side airbags.
Diploid - That is distressing news. That's the second report about the CR-V's brakes not being up to snuff. The other was a 192 ft. stopping distance (on dry pavement) from another magazine (C&D?). Looks like those rear disks haven't improved performance enough to accomodate even the modest increases in weight.
I had the same tires on my Forester, and they were terrible in wet braking. Their tall profile also made them kind of poor in the handling area. Snow traction was ok, but that's about the only good thing I can say about them. They lasted 28k miles and I was thrilled to get a Plus One set of wheels and tires.
The new tires handle better, ride quieter, brake better wet or dry, and with 14k miles on them still look new. They aren't as good in the snow, but that's the only trade-off.
Sorry to rant, but I say consider a tire upgrade or even a wheel/tire swap.
-juice
I took the 2002 on the highway at lunch, and I thought it was a bit noisy and the acceleration was lacking some. Am I missing something here? The V6 Grand Am I drive currently is supposedly 160 hp and it has no problem at 65, and it seemed that the 2002 Camry 4 cyl and the Forester were OK. Am I supposed to stomp on it? Since it wasn't my car and it had only 89 miles on it, I did not feel it was right to do that to the car.
IC
The dials do have 'notches' where they click into place. The dash is slightly higher than the current model, but not enough to affect anyone's view. The radio is easier to see, but, as someone else noted before, it's a little harder to reach. Not a big deal, but there it is. Once again, I forgot to check the rear wiper stream/spray! I checked the rear bumper and, sure enough, when parked next to my '99, they have the same size bumper. The only difference is that the '02 has additional cladding above the bumper. If you took that upper cladding away, they would look the same. The moonroof is nice enough, and the switches are well placed on the dash. They have the icons as my Acura TL, so, from my perspective, they were familiar and easy to use. Headroom in the rear seat is unaffected by having the moonroof and there wasn't a significant difference to me (6'1") up front. The EX stereo sunds much better. I'm not an audiophile, but the difference was substantial. The two extra speakers are placed in the corners of the dash, but they make all the difference. I'm now considering the tweeter kit for my '99. Anyone who is serious about music will replace these, but they're good enough for the average consumer.
The test drive was a bit longer this time and over better roads. After the test drive, I drove the same route in my '99 to make comparisons.
We started on a narrow back road with a few good turns. No problem. The steering is definitely lighter, but overall the vehicle had the same feel. Bumps were handled much like the current model. We travelled a short distance over a smoother straightaway and I revved it up a bit (4,000 rpms). Acceleration was decent, but again, nothing more remarkable than my five speed. The sound of the engine was considerably less, though. The automatic shifts very smoothly. Someone had remarked on the turn signal being shorter. That person is correct. It didn't bother me, though. The action of the new switchgear is smoother (less "clicky")and requires less force. This was examined while turning onto the highway. A nice incline lead to the highway and the CR-V got up to speed without the need to rev it. Today is a rather windy day and I could hear the wind noise clearly. Road noise was also notable, but there is considerably less engine noise than in my '99. On the whole, the ride is more quiet, but we're not talking about 'Lexus quiet'. I opted not to test braking distances. :-)
I learned something new. The EX and LX have different seat fabrics. The differences are minimal. The cloth is basically the same color, but there are differences in the patterns.
Here's the announcement, minus the picture:
Smell the CR-V.
If you've been satisfying your hunger for the all-new CR-V through images, videos and 360º views on our microsite - that's all about to change.
Because today, we're releasing the 2002 CR-V to dealerships.
So head to your Honda dealer now to experience the real-life adventure of the completely redesigned CR-V. There you can see, feel, hear, touch, and smell the SUV you've been waiting for.
To find a dealer near you or to customize and get a quote on the 2002 CR-V, visit
http://honda2001.com/models/cr-v/index.html.
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Bob
Rev 'em up. Hondas are made for it.
-juice
Well said Juice, just stomp on it.
We have gotten 4 and have sold three...is this just us or are they selling at other dealers as well? What are other dealers saying?
Jerry
I bought my CR-V last year from Gilman in San Antonio and would NEVER buy one from them again. I bought my '89 Accord from Spring Branch Honda and was pleased with them.
Hondababe, why Spring Branch over Gillman? Those are the two dealer I will be buying from. Gillman is lot closer to me in SugarLand.
Hey, I'm in Sugar Land, too . . . near the airport. If you see this motoring around:
you'll have met my CR-V. My car's distinguishing features from the rear are an extra set of brake lights and a body-colored spare tire cover -- you won't find too many of those in Electron Blue!
Engine noise is down quite a bit, but road noise is very loud. Louder than a Tribute I test drove. Ride also feels bumpier than the Tribute.
Inside looks like good quality material, much better than Tribute's. I don't know what the compaint about visor mirror is about. Looks good to me. Or is it because I've seeing much worse.
Car handles very well, turns corners at good speed, no leaning. Auto Shifter feels strange but can live with it. Seats are better,softer than old. Driving position very good.
Transmission shift silky smooth, invisible operation.
There were 3 groups testing the new V when I got there, Gillman Honda had one silver and one white in today ,White is already sold. When I left the manager said another group is paying MSRP on the silver. I wasn't going to do that on a demo. Manager: It will not be discounted for 3 month.
Headroom with moonroof is good enough for a 6 footer. I can see over the hood very well.
Moonroof is smaller than Tribute's.
15 inch wheels look fine, not too too small.
Conclusion: This is fine economy utility transportaion. Not falling in love with it but it will do.
Honda2001.com lists hard spare cover for 02 at $119. Gillman will proly charge me $500 for it. I asked them about cross bars, they want $650. I will online order somewhere else.
Is the top photo taken near the Big Eddy( or is it called Big Muddy) ? at the base of South Jetty.
Tested the horn, very light forces is need to depress the whole coverpad. My old car needs 10 times the force on small area of the coverpad.
Is the body side cladding standard on the '02 CRV EX or is it an option? The website mentions it as a $429 add-on -- but then they also list the 6-CD changer as an option whereas it should be standard on the EX.
Also are the driver and passenger arm rests standard now or is the passenger arm rest still an option ?
The main problem we had with the '01 CRV was the 'horizontal' bus-like positioning of the steering wheel -- has that improved much in the new model. I read one person mentioning that it has chnaged to a slight extent. Would like some more comments.
Final question -- how advisable is it to go for a car that is in its first year of redsign ? Is there chances of bugs popping up even in Hondas, from whom I would really expect top class reliability. I heard that the redesigned Civic had a suspension problem in the first year.
Thanx for your help.
The tires were Bridgestone Duelers and the vehicle was assembled in Japan.
Told ya it was the tires. ;-)
Yes, McLaren relied on Honda's 1.5l V6 turbo engine to smoke the competition in F1, mostly running large displacement V10s and V12s. All that with Ayrton Senna behind the wheel.
22/26 was the mileage all along, but for auto only. 22/25 was for the 5 speeds.
-juice
The 6 disc changer listed on Honda's site is an external changer. The changer in the EX is in-dash.
I believe the passenger armrest is standard on automatics but not on 5 speeds. Haven't seen it as an option.
It's interesting that Honda's Customize section of their website estimates installation costs for accessories.
Jerry
The steering wheel is less bus-like, but you'll have to check for yourself to see if it's enough.
The button to release the glass is on the lower panel of the driver's door. It releases the glass, but not the door. You need to use the outside handle for that.
I wouldn't worry about the CR-V in it's first year. Yes, there may be problems, but certainly not like the Tribape. If the Civic had problems with the front suspension, then you can bet that they also took a look at the CR-V, RSX, and other Civic platform mates.
Both driver and passenger armrests are standard on the automatics, but, as noted before, they are kind of thin.
Bob
I seriously doubt more than one or two of their CR-Vs were priced at $26k. That's insanity.
Reliability should be solid from the get-go. Odyssey had a few speed bumps, but the CR-V has been Honda's most reliable model.
-juice
The new V is vastly improved over old but it is still underpowered, noisy, bumpy. Compared to Highlander and larger American SUV, one sacrifice a lot of comfort.
I'm still going to buy one but definitely not paying much premium over invoice. The new V is not a blockbuster winner. In fact it is mediocre in everything. Just economy uitility transport.