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Toyota Camry Vehicle Stability Control

kyrptokyrpto Posts: 216
Toyota/Lexus/Scion offers VSC on almost every model. It is now standard on all Tundras and can be disabled on the trucks if needed.
VSC as Toyota/Lexus calls it, should be the next big thing in safety. So much so that the NIHS is reccomending that it be standard on all vehicles sold in America. It may end up saving more lives than seatbelts.
Having owned a Highlander AWD, Tundra D Cab 4WD, Scion xB, and now a Camry, all with VSC, I have personally experienced VSC in action. My '05 Tundra SR5 was ordered with it.
Someone mentioned the Subaru's fine performance in New England winters. Their AWD system led the way but Subaru has not kept pace in the VSC arena. It comes only on the top of the line models unlike Toyota which even made it standard on the Scion xB.
Consumer Reports also questioned the Subie system's performance. I expect Subaru to rapidly improve their system and make it available on all their vehicles soon,
Toyota's VSC system [which is always packaged with Traction Control], is the industry leader. The TC makes a front driver like the Camry even better in the snow.
I had to wait 3 weeks for an LE 4cyl with it to be built and shipped. I will never own another vehicle without it.
How does the Camry system work? It hasn't "gone off" yet.
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  • virusvirus Posts: 21
    I have had mine go off on a spirited run 2 nights ago when it popped into 2nd and there was sand on the road from the plow trucks. It works fantastic, probably the best I've ever owned. I am a little disappointed that there is no manual overide.
  • kyrptokyrpto Posts: 216
    VSC will be required on all vehicles sold in the US by 2012.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    You "popped" into second in a FWD vehicle..??

    That takes a brave, Brave, BRAVE, driver.

    Lucky the VSC was there to save you.
  • While checking for codes with my Actron Scanner on my 2003 Camry xle, the vsc and trac off light came on. Is there a way to turn these lights off? The scanner reads no codes present..
    Thanks for your help.. :cry:
  • :confuse: I'm in process of buying Camry LE (4cyl) and want it to have a VSC. But dealer told me that Toyota doesn't install it on LE models. I'm confused. Is there anyone who own LE with VSC?
    Thanks in advance, Bob.
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    Yes, I have a 4 cyl LE, with VSC. Bought it back when the 2007's were just released, here in the SE.

    You don't indicate where you are located, and that option might not be ordered by a particular Toyota region.

    If you can't find one in inventory, try www.fitzmall.com

    Fitzmall is in the central region, and they typically have had a lot of VSC's
  • Thanks a lot!!!
    So...dealer lied to me... :-(
    Actually I'm located on west coast.
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    Unfortunately, if your dealer is on the West Coast, he's probably telling you a partial truth. Toyota divides itself into about 12 sales zones. Each zone decides how it wants to equip particular models. In a mild climate VSC may not sell well enough for them to want to carry it. So, that zone may not carry VSC in the model you want.

    Toyota will never use the slogan "Have it your way" in advertising.

    Solution, unless you want to go out of zone, buy the hybrid Camry. VSC is standard.
  • I see...Thanks again for your help!!!
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    Or you can order one. Some dealers will, some won't.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Also the zones out west are relatively small, geographically. There's an LA region, SF region, Portland (or Seattle) region, and Denver region. So you don't have to go too far out of your zone if need be. Maybe the Denver zone would be the most likely to carry LE's with VSC.

    Note that some dealers are not eager to work with other dealers out of their zone; you may need to deal directly with the source dealer.
  • I am trying to determine if a used car I am considering has VSC. It has traction control. I have not seen the car and the owner is not certain. Is there a way to tell from the Veh ID No.?
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    You cannot tell from the VIN. Ask the owner if a yellow "VSC" light (or an icon showing a car with skid marks under it) in the instrument cluster comes on when the ignition is first turned on. Verify for yourself before buying. I'm not sure if traction control and stability control were bundled in 2005.
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    According to this site http://www.lotpro.com/cars/2005/toyota/camry/options/

    VSC was available as a stand alone option on the SE and XLE models and as a package with side-curtain airbags on all models except the base version.
  • whew63whew63 Posts: 19
    Out of the blue, all of these light came on on my 2003 XLE. what does this mean and is the car dangerous to drive until we get it checked out?
    Thankd
  • The VSC & TRAC OFF lites also came on my 2003 XLE about 2 months ago.From what I have been able to find out, only the dealer can check these lites. Has to do with the speed wheel sensors usually.
    Auto Zone or Pep Boys don't have the proper tools to scan for this code. The "check engine" lite should Not BE on. :cry:
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Your owners manual indicates that with a CEL, Check Engine Light, the VSC/Trac system is automatically disabled by default. The CEL can be something as simple as a gas filler cap not properly tightened or opened without a "fill".
  • iplanetiplanet Posts: 27
    I am on the market for new LE (4 cyl. auto) with VSC option. Sales person told me that VSC, for Camry, is not recommended in snow condition, but works great in raining condition.

    Because Camry doesn't have option to turn off VSC, it'll cause more trouble in snow condition.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks in advance. :confuse:
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Salesperson as usual doesn't know what he's talking about. It's a worthwhile option AND a potential lifesaver in any kind of weather, dry, wet, or snowy/icy.

    What you may want to turn off, just to get the car in motion from a stop on snow or ice, is the traction control, which I'm pretty sure can be done with a switch.

    BTW, VSC (vehicle stability control) and traction control are bundled on the Camry.
  • iplanetiplanet Posts: 27
    So Camry has a switch to turn it off?

    :surprise:
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    To turn off the traction control, yes I'm almost certain. But you only need to turn it off if you can't get the car in motion from a dead stop or to accelerate up a steep driveway.
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    No, there is NOT a switch to turn off VSC (at least that is a 2007 statement, can't imagine they changed it in 2008).

    There is a secret serious of steps which can be taken at startup, which turns the VSC off for that possible snow scenario. I have it printed and keep in the car, but we talked about it probably a year ago in these forums.

    It's something like put the key in, put on the parking brake, turn the key once, turn off the brake,....yada yada yada. I don't remember exactly, but it's something that you just want to print and keep in the car. I've never had to do it. Turning off the engine and restarting, automatically resets the VSC back on.

    I can get the instructions and re-type them later if a search doesn't yield the instructions.
  • iplanetiplanet Posts: 27
    Hi Kiawah,

    So would you recomend VSC in Camry LE? I'll have to wait few weeks for LE w/ VSC.
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    I'm in the southeast, and even though this is not a typical feature in the southeast....I specifically had the dealer order it for me because my daughter is the primary (new) driver, and there is a more than reasonable chance that this vehicle ends up back in the northeast.

    To me it's a safety feature that I hope never gets invoked (and because I've paid for it probably won't), and it's a feature that will become standard and gov't mandated in the next couple years. I got it for safety, but resell certainly is a potential consideration as well.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Your salesperson is confusing the TC, Traction Control, function with VSC. Traction control can be a DAMN nuisense, which is why most cars have a traction disable capability.
  • iplanetiplanet Posts: 27
    Since Camry doesn't have TC disable capability, how bad is it in the snow condition?
    :confuse:
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    If you get stuck the TC will generally prevent you from using wheelspin to get out.

    Look at it this way, if you're in a situation wherein carefully "feathering" the throttle yourself, in order to maintain traction, would not get you moving then TC will be of no help, a hindrance really.

    Basically that's all TC is, an artificial method of preventing the engine from developing so much torque that wheelspin results.

    If a driven wheel slips due to low roadbed surface traction TC will apply braking while simultaneously dethrottling the engine.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I checked a Camry owner's manual and Kiawah is right -- you cannot disable stability or traction control in the 2007 (and presumably the 2008) Camry with the press of a button. My bad.

    But my advice is still to get VSC (and the traction control) that goes with it. You're not likely to get stuck in a front-wheel drive car in the first place. Plus you can disable the VSC/TC if you must using the "magic formula" Kiawah mentions.

    Much more importantly, VSC can save your bacon. Read this for more details.
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    Figure it's easier to just re-type this, than find the previous post.

    To disable the VSC on the 07 Camry.......
    1.) Start the car with parking brake on.
    2.) all within 30 seconds, depress and release the brake pedal twice.
    3.) immediately, de-activate and re-engage the parking brake twice.
    4.) the VSC/trac light on the dash will light, the VSC/trac is now deactivated until you restart the car.

    I've driven in ice storms with the car with no problem, but never large snow drifts where you would actually "want" to spin the tires (for some unknown reason). I've never had to ever turn the VSC off.

    Don't remember who the original poster was, to give proper credit. Just print these instructions out and keep them in your owners manual.
  • iplanetiplanet Posts: 27
    Hi all.

    Thanks for all the input ~

    :)
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