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Toyota 4Runner

meredithmeredith Posts: 578
This topic is a continuation of Topic 1745....

THE TOYOTA 4RUNNER??????????. Please continue
these discussions here. Thanks!

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  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I'm number one!!!
  • blstncblstnc Posts: 1
    I need some opinions. First, I have decided to buy a 4runner (yeah). It really seems like a reliable vehicle and worth the price. The question is how much over invoice is reasonable? I want to buy a SR5 with sport package, but these are hard to find so I think I will have to order a 2001 model. Dealer wants to charge me 5% over invoice which I feel is high. I am use to negotiating a flat fee over invoice. Has anyone heard if they are changing the interior cloth on the 2001? I have seen the changes on the toyota site for the 2001, but didn't see anything on this. Other than the fuel gauge problems, has there been anything else significant? Thanks everyone who posted a response to my previous posting and to everyone who responds to this.
  • stiffstiff Posts: 3
    I just bought a 2000 SR5 4wd manual. It included options C7,C9,RE,RH,SR,V5,XF. I paid $29,825 before tax and license--this was tons cheaper than any internet company. I have a few questions about after-market products. First is there a winch mounting application that will not affect the air bag? Also what is the best after market differential lock-and how much is it?

    Thanks
  • stiffstiff Posts: 3
    I was offered a manual SR5 with a sport package with option package #4, Conv.-package, fogs, Sun-roof, rear heater and running boards for $30,133--I think this is pretty good deal--the color is silver.

    --stiff
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Check outs Edmunds new TMV numbers. This is what is considered a "good deal" price based on national surveys. Take that figure and add the options and the destination and you will have something to compare your dealer's offer with.
  • p_ohp_oh Posts: 8
    Has anyone taken their '00 back for excessive movement of the Automatic Transmission Shift lever and hi/low 4WD shift lever? I know this has been discussed before and that all 4 runners do this to some extent, but it is driving me to distraction. Every time i drive over any road surface that is not glass smooth both levers are constantly moving. Someone previousy mentioned that it had gotten so bad that theirs actually jumped out of gear. Any comments?
  • I've got a 2000 Limited with the door cladding. Is anyone else worried that the lack of a tight fit and sealing of the cladding may lead to rust years down the road? I am very tempted to remove it and just go with the stock fender flares which seem to have better sealing. It seems to me the cladding will hold dirt and moisture and roughly be akin to never washing the paint which the cladding covers....
  • Has anyone seen the 2001s on the lot yet?
    I am talking to a dealer that says he will know what will be arriving on his lot tomorrow.

    I still can't find a brochure on one, but I hear that the options for this year are simplified.

    Car and Driver mag. says that a 190 hp V6 will be standard next year on all models, up from last years 183. I thought the same engine was being used this year?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    They will be here shortly. I have two of them at the port right now and they will be in any day now. Take anything you read in a magazine with a grain of salt. Popular Mechanics was claiming that the 2001 Avalon was growing by almost a foot and that is patently untrue.

    If you live in the Washington DC area, stop by and I'll give you a brochure. Otherwise, call 800-GO TOYOTA and they can send you one.
  • Cliffy1...
    I'm dying to know what the changes are for the SR5 with the sport package. I'm in Hawaii and won't be able to get my hands on a brochure any time soon! Would you please list the changes...if the list is not too long!!!

    Thanks!
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    We got our first one in today. I didn't see anything major other than the 4WD system. The SR5 now has the multi-mode 4WD with VSC and traction control. The interior cloth changed a bit but only in pattern. The 4 cylinder and the manual transmission are gone.
  • Cliffy,

    Questions about the SR5 model:

    Is the 183 hp v6 still standard?
    I'm guessing there wasn't a power increase.
    Are the options packages different this year?
    Does the SR5 still have chrome bumpers and the same alloy wheels?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Still has the 183 HP engine. Option packages are the same although we will be getting some without the moonroof this year. The interior is a little different. The alloys are slightly changed but I didn't notice until another salesmen pointed it out to me. The tail lights are more of a jeweled look.
  • I almost purchased a 2000 SR5 but couldn't find one with a diff lock in the NY area! And they did not offer a posi-rear. I decided to wait for the 2001 and now see they offer traction control on all 4 wheels? How does this compare to a diff lock, and/or a limited slip diff?? I'm looking for superior traction for towing a snowmobile trailer in Upper Maine and Canada sometimes on unplowed roads. Anyone with the technical scoop would be grately appreciated.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I just posted an explanation of the Land Cruiser 4WD system on topic number 2929. Go read it. the 2001 4Runner is the same with only one difference. The Runner has the option of operating in the 2 wheel drive mode. This is an awesome new system and if far superior to the locker or posi-traction.
  • Real Funny! (COVO and Cillfy)
    TOOK MY LIMITED TO TYSONS TOYOTA TO REPAIR THE FAULTY GAS TANK AND GAUGE. 1ST, THEY SAID THEY NEVER HEARD OF THIS PROBLEM; NEXT, THEY CLAIMED IT'S NOT THEIR ISSUE SINCE NO REACALL HAS BEEN ORDERED. I REMINDED THEM RECALL OR NOT, THIS DEFECT GOTTA B FIXED UNDER WARANTY. THEY BEHAVED.

    NOW, THEY'VE ASKED ME TO PROVIDE THEM WITH A PRINTOUT OF ALL THESE POSTINGS AMONG US, SO THEY CAN TELL WAHT'S GOING ON!!! THEY CLAIM IT'S ONLY A WARNING LIGHT ISSUE; WE ALL KNOW IT TO BE DIFFERENT. WHAT IS UP WITH THIS WORLD. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN LOYAL TO TOYOTAS, BUT SURE AS HELL EXPECTED BETTER FROM MINE, ESPECIALLY 36Ks LATER! 8-)
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I will be on vacation for the next week and a half. I may be checking in from time to time but I don't know how often. I don't want any of you to think I am ignoring your questions.

    See ya'll when I get back on the 26th.
  • Anybody know if the '01 4Runners have the option of a manual Transmission?
  • What's been your experience, in terms of power and mileage?
  • Check out posts 267 and greater for a thread on TRD SC in topic 1745. As for 2001 MT offerings...why not? Pretty safe bet that there will be some 5speeds offered.
  • There's no manual this year, nor is there a locking diff. However, it's no longer needed with traction control at all 4 wheels.
  • I am very interested in gathering some info on the 2001 4Runner.

    From what I have gathered, the changes this year seem to be mainly cosmetic, does that sound about right? I like the sounds of this new transmission, but unsure of its reliability as it is new? I heard it is the same as used in the LandCruiser; same exact transmission or same technology? How long has that been used in the LandCruiser? Any Major Problems?

    The other concern I have is the introduction of the Highlander (not the 4Runner Sport/Highlander - but the car based SUV). I understand that it is to be placed between the 4Runner and the Sequoia, is that true? If that is the case, what is to happen to the 4Runner next year with the redesign? Is it going to be demoted in the food chain? Set to compete with the Nissan Xterra (pretty close dimensional comparisons)? The concern is shelling out around 30K and seeing that investment drop next year?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I forgot the .com at the end of the e-mail address.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Are you sure your Runner came with the 225 tires from the factory? That was the standard equipment tire but most were shipped with the optional 31x10.5 tires and the higher gear ratio (4.1 if I remember correctly).

    I really don't know about the cost of replacing the gears but check to see what it came with before spending the money. If you can't find out what it was shipped with, send your VIN to me by e-mail at sclifford@alexandriatoyota and I will look it up.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    It is not actually the transmission that has changed. It is the 4 wheel
    drive system. Believe it or not, the new system is quite simple. Open
    differentials have been around for decades and are pretty much bullet proof,
    unlike limited slip differentials which are prone to failure. The same is
    true of traction control computers. They are use the same premise as ABS
    systems. What is new is the mating of these two systems to increase
    traction and stability.

    As to the future of the Runner, I can't really say. The Runner will do a
    lot of things that the Highlander can't. For off roading and towing, the
    Runner is the clear choice. The Highlander is more of an "urban assault
    vehicle" and will fill the needs of the typical soccer mom much better than
    a genuine truck like the Runner.
  • From my research, the 01 Highlander is being placed between the RAV4 and the 4Runner. I haven't heard anything about the 02 redesign of the 4Runner. Does anyone know if new powertrains will be introduced in 02? Thanks...HP
  • What is the story with dropping the manual
    transmission? Are they nuts? Been waiting forever for the 2001 models, now only to find
    they have really messed up. I guess they are trying to turn the 4runner into another expensive grocery-getter, like most of the others on the market.

    - disgusted
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    There have been rumors for months about the lack of a manual transmission and info was posted on this board about 2 months ago warning of this. While I have not heard an explanation from Toyota about this, I have a suspicion that emissions has more to do with this decision than anything else. With the current regulations, it is difficult for a total product line to meet current standards with a manual transmission. This is because with the automatic, the transmission computer tells the engine computer when it is shifting and ignition is retarded, thus reducing emissions. This can't happen on a manual.

    Again, this is speculation on my part but it is educated speculation. Toyota is very proud to still have a truck based SUV and plans on keeping the Runner around even after the Highlander comes out in February. Now that vehicle is a real suburban assault vehicle.

    You may want to check to see if anybody has a manual 2000 left in stock. Most stores are just about out of them and it may take work to get one. Don't wait any longer if you insist on the manual.
  • bgritzbgritz Posts: 139
    I own a '01 Pathfinder SE w/ 5spd and love it. I watch this forum as well because I think that the 4runner is an awesome vehicle too. I just wanted the 250 hp V6 for the mountains and liked the interior and price better.

    If it's true that Toyota is dropping the 5-speed from the line-up, that would be a real shame. I guess they want to cater more to the same crowd that drives Ford Explorers. Too bad!!
  • when is the sequioa due and does anyone know prices?
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