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Toyota 4Runner

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  • i went to see one at lunch time, silver limited, it looks just the way the pics is. i won't hate it, but like people said i don't even have the excitement to drive drive it after we first met. i was surprised the rear seats head room is so tight. i'm 5"8, my head is touching the top. (i don't have short leg long torso, i'm sure my hair isn't that spiky) is it the same as the old model?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Good News:

    • Just about everything. Lot's of very well thought out details.

    • It felt very tight, and well built (so what else is new?).

    • I like the larger size. It's much closer now to my Explorer.

    • It had very good power, and drove beautifully.

    • Looks much better in person than in the pictures.

    • I like the double-decker rear storage.

    • Large cupholders, front and rear, as well as bottle holders in the doors.

    • Auto up/down rear hatch window.

    • Example I drove was contented just about the way I would order one (might(?) want the opt. 17" wheels, as they look great).

    • Front and rear tow hooks, skid plates, full-size spare, 5K trailer hitch/wiring (off-road ready from the get-go!) all standard.

    • 16/19 EPA mileage ratings for the V8, 17/20 for the V6.

    • Best of all: Under $35K MSRP for V8, 5-speed auto, permanent full-time 4WD, moonroof, alloys, double-decker rear storage, 5K towing, & running boards.

    Bad News:

    • The windshield wiper control stalk is impossible to see, when I had the steering column adjusted to fit me.

    • No vanity mirrors.

    • I don't like the power window switches down low on the doors.

    • The plug for the trailer hitch is too far under the vehicle for easy access.

    • Only 1000 pound trailer limit, if your trailer doesn't have brakes.

    • Green cruise control light goes on when you turn the cruise on, not *just* when it is actually engaged.

    • Worst of all: a $4K ADM!

    Bob
  • What was your impression of room, in the driver's seat, for a tall driver? I''m 6'4", and have a long body, and short legs (32" inseam). The last 4Runner was impossible, particularly with a sunroof, which most have. I've seen comments on this, and other boards, that this edition is not much better. I'm going into town, next week to have a look, but it doesn't look like it's improved much. If they haven't improved the crash rating (the old one was only acceptable in a frontal crash, not Good), then I guess it comes off my list. In spite of the looks, I had high hopes. Guess I'll wait for the VW!
  • Got a chance to check it out in person and take it for a test drive. Pretty much a rocket. Looks great in person, except for the notched fenders. I like the durability/low maintenance of the plastic cladding, but that notched action is garbage. Interior has lots of great features and plenty of room (definite increase in all passenger areas). These improvements came at a slight cost in cargo space. Here's what my tape measure told me (all measurements are at the point of greatest dimension and are my unscientific best attempt):
    2002 53" wide; 36.5" hi; 44" deep; 49" widest point of hatch opening
    2003 57" wide; 36" hi; 36" deep; 51" widest point of hatch opening
  • I'm 6'2", 35" inseam. I felt very comfortable in the driver's seat. Had manual seats, but they adjusted in every possible direction. Steering wheel tilted and telescoped. Pretty much custom fit in everyway. Hope that helps.
  • jbhncjbhnc Posts: 16
    Well, after watching this board for several months, today was finally the day.

    I drove a 03 SR5 4x4 this afternoon. I was very impressed, this will be my next car.

    V8 was smooth and powerful, fit and finish was, well, Toyota, plus it was surprisingly quiet. Gray body panels didn't look that bad to me although I am going to get a limited.

    One question I have is southeast toyota has this package that includes roadside assistance and 1 free oil change (a $69 value) for the low low price of $699. Really a joke. From your prior experience, is this going to be on all 03's for a while?

    If so, any dealers in So. VA want my business :)
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    It felt very roomy, but I'm only 5'9". It did have a moonroof too.

    Bob
  • airburairbur Posts: 31
    Took a 03' Sport out today for the first time. This will be my next vehicle. Interesting that there is no key access on the passenger side door, only on the driver's side. Also, you no longer have to slam the lift gate to close it. You simple let it touch the connectors and it's automated from there. The Sport I drove had an MSRP of just over $35,000 and my dealer said they would be selling them at that price and not under for a while. There were 15 on the lot.

    The power is unbelievably available and VERY quiet. I could barely hear it. Felt like I was driving a sports car, just up higher.
  • aufan1aufan1 Posts: 21
    I sat in the 2003 runner tonight and fit fine. I am 6'6" with a long torso and had a few inches to spare above my head. No problem with head room here.
  • jtm4jtm4 Posts: 60
    Toyota updated their website. I checked yesterday and it still had the 2002 4Runner info. Not any more. The website has been updated with the 2003 model info. They must have updated it after the close of business on Thursday. By the way, this is my first post to this forum but I've been following it since early 2002. Here's the link.

    http://www.toyota.com/html/shop/vehicles/4runner/
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Welcome aboard and thanks for the input!

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  • I did some surfing and found 2 dealers in the mid-Atlantic region selling the 2003s for $350-$500 below MSRP. Maybe we won't be gouged by the dealers like those who purchased the Sequoia when it was introduced.
  • While continuing my surfing, I found another Toyota dealer further south that has 2 2003s, one selling for $1900 below MSRP, and the other selling $2300 below MSRP. I think if we are careful, we may not have to be buying this thing at MSRP or better.
    BTW, the 2 have some nice options.
  • pwitzpwitz Posts: 51
    Dealer had one Silver Limited 4x4 on the Lot.
    4x4 Limited starts at ~$36,000.

    This one had the moonroof, the X-EAS shocks,
    a convenience package, side air bags, rear spoiler, and the upgraded JBL system...don't think there are many more options that that.
    Sticker was ~$40,000. Going to drive it Saturday.
    Vehicle is noticeably larger with respect to rear seat leg room and rear cargo area.
  • pwitzpwitz Posts: 51
    For those who have seen the 2003s, what did you think of the dimpled black texture molding on the outsider of the b-posts? Kinda weird...not sure what Toyota was going for here.
  • of a dealer in Maryland or Northern Va, who may have the 2003 4-runner on their lot. I'm dieing to take a detailed look at one.
  • There are 2 dealers I know of in Maryland with 2003 4-runners on their lot. I am not sure I can give their name on the Town Hall. Let me knwo your email address and I will forward you the names of the dealers.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,171
    Dealer names are ok. Please don't post contact info or salespeople's names though. Thanks!

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    in Gathersburg MD has 2 listed on their web site, without ADMs!

    http://www.fitzgeraldautomall.com/

    Bob
  • What does that abbreviation stand for?
  • We bought a black sport last night off of the truck as they delivered it. Of course we drove it first and were really impressed with the pep on that Lexus V8. We had a pathfinder and there is no comparision. The 4-runner is quiet, quiet , quiet.... Like the looks, not crazy about the scoop, but that is the only knock I can come up with. Tall? I am tall, no problems behind the wheel. Price I paid 36,900. V8 Sport, moon roof, ALL leather package, CD, yada yada.. GOT to drive one and the looks are great, people are checking it out... Very happy... they have lots of cool gadgetry ... OH get the security upgrade.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,171
    Additonal Dealer Market.

    i.e. "profit", sometimes "excessive profit", "what the market will bear", "ripoff", etc., lol. Don't pay it. Unless you have to be first on your block :-)

    Congrats Geckles! What was your ADM?

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  • Steve, Not sure, I would have to ask the husband.... It is a 4X4 also.........
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,171
    Sounds nice! Please report back often with your initial impressions.

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  • mjohnr99mjohnr99 Posts: 193
    Both Tyson's and Alexandria's Internet guys E-mailed me yesterday that they have their '03s "on the lot" for inspection. FYI.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Every Toyota dealer in the US has at least one 2003 4runner as of yesterday.
  • dmetzgerdmetzger Posts: 160
    My dealership is expecting two on Monday. Does not have any yet. So they all do not have them quite yet.
  • dmetzgerdmetzger Posts: 160
    OOPS!
    Owe you an apology. Called and got two Sports in late last night. Checked them out. JBL stereo system is fantastic. Overall, its OK. Not earth shattering.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    = Additional Dealer Markup.

    Russell Toyota in Catonsville MD, where I drove one last night, was adding an additional $4K to the MSRP for having the privilege of being the first on your block to own one.

    The salesperson's logic was, people come in here and buy these things, and then immediately resell them on the Internet for profit. Ah, okay, you must also be selling the Brooklyn Bridge too...

    Bob
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I just got into work today and we have three 2003 Runners on our lot. The SR5 and Sport are nice but I was under whelmed until I drove one. I swear, if you make a decision about these things before driving it, you're making a HUGE mistake. It is very quick, responsive, quite, smooth and comfortable.

    MSRP with typical equipment is a bit over $34K for the SR5 4WD, just over $35K for the sport and $40K for the Limited sans navigation.

    I can't get over the experience of driving this thing.
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