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Toyota 4Runner

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  • OUCH ! Went to the local Culver City dealer and saw one 2003 black Limited 2WD(!), V8 with a sticker price above $42,000! This is the highest I've seen on these pages. There was no navigational system. Is this price range similar across the country?
  • Definitely not the normal price range. I'm traveling in the western part of NC. The dealer here has 3 on the lot ALL under MSRP by a decent margin. So much so I was taken aback, since this is such a new vehicle in such hi demand. I was seriously thinking about grabbing one this weekend, but none have the options/trim that I want.
  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    Miller is always overpriced. Try Torrance Toyota on PCH. They don't sell over MSRP and should be able to work with you. They had a Limited 2WD with goodies for quite a bit less than what you stated above.
  • jtm4jtm4 Posts: 60
    I've seen two Limiteds, in the Houston area, priced at $35,000 and $36,000. That was sticker price. Both were 4x2. No navigation system or sunroof.
  • Ok I've done SOME back reading and didn't see these issues addressed. If they have been and I missed them let me know where and I'll quit wasting everyone's time. Does anyone understand what the x-reas suspension system does and how it works? Is it a hinderance in a low traction environment (offroad/snow/wet boat ramp)? Second, are leather/heated seats an option on the sport/sr5 or are these only available on the limited (wife "has to have" heated seats). Third, do the power seats have a 2 position memory (wife is 5'6"; I'm 6'2")? Finally, someone tell Toyota that the matte gray cladding is great for those who actually use a vehicle anywhere off pavement, but those stupid notches ruin an otherwise great look. Oh and not to beat the dead horse, but why would you not offer a tiny third row seat as an option in a vehicle this size? Yes, it will be vestigial at best and suited only for short trips/small kids/people you dislike, but how about letting me decide if I want/need it? Thanks in advance for any and all info.
  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    Heated leather is only on the Limited.

    Dealer should be able to have leather installed in SR5/Sport but no heated seats and not with side air bag option. Dealer option.

    X-REAS is supposed to control roll and pitch better. Not sure how this affects it off road. Sounds like something for better on road handling & ride. I have a feeling it might hamper off road handling because it might not let the suspension flex as much as it should. Not quite sure.
  • Sounds like a reasonable guess about the xreas. Can you clarify the side airbags comment? Are the somehow connected to a package that includes/excludes the heated seats? Not sure what you meant. Ideally I'd like SR-5/sport exterior w/heated seats and the side airbags. If not possible then can I at least get the side airbags and heated seats together on a limited? Don't really wanna go there, but if it's the only way to get that combo I might have to. Thanks.
  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    Sorry about the confusion on that one.

    The heated seats (leather) only come on the Limited. Factory installed.

    The dealer told me they could have leather put in on a SR5/Sport model. This would be a dealer option which they send out to have done. They could only install leather on the standard seats, not the seats with the side air bags in them.

    No heated seats for SR5/Sport models.

    Hope this clarifies thing better. Sorry.
  • I've just got a quick question. Is it me or does there seem to be wind noise when cruising on the highway in the 4Runner at lets say speeds of 60-70mph or so? I know it's an SUV and it sits up high and is not very aerodynamic like a sports car, but does that have a role to play in picking up on a bit more wind noise. It's not that loud, I just hear it more than I did then when I was driving on the highway in my 89 Camry. Anyone out there with advice on this? Does anyone know what I am talking about? I have driven other SUV's such as Durango's, Cherokees, Montero's, Explorer's, Expeditions and maybe they have wind noise as well, but I can't recall too well. Also, is that startup roar you get when you turn the key on your 4Runner a trait on these SUV's. It roars for the first few feet when driving and then quiets down. I'm guessing that's how the engine is designed, it's pretty cool or maybe there's something wrong with it. Does anyone know?
  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    It could be the way the engine warms up. They have a tendency to high idle at first.

    Noise is sometimes a little subjective. You might check the window/door seals. Even bad alignment or the kind of tire you have can make a vehicle noisier.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    is the engine cooling fan - it runs every time you start up the engine, then after a minute it stops unless the engine actually needs it running because it is hot. This design has been around at Toyota since the dawn of time, and one thing that is nice about it is that as the truck ages, you can always tell if that fan clutch is still working, without having to go under the hood.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • jf01jf01 Posts: 88
    All that wind noise seems to be coming from the side mirrors. Toyota even redesigned the mirrors for the 2000 model year, but they still don't seem to be very quiet. I read that the redesign was meant to reduce the amount of turbulence created by the mirrors, I'm not sure if it's actually much better than the previous years though.
  • I'M TRYING TO LOCATE A SPORT 4X4 WITH NO SUNROOF, I'm 6'1" and can't fit in one with a S/R. If anyone has purchased one yet please let me know what you paid. Thanks Paul
  • jcla7jcla7 Posts: 18
    Saw it Sunday, didn't drive it, but want to. I was favorable impressed with the look. I got the impression from the photos that it was kind of short and fat..not so. The real thing looks longer. The dimpled (pimpled?) pillar is a little wierd, but not bad...it's actually not that noticable. But this notched wheel well? Gotta say that is a little annoying. I think they might be trying to convey some type of "raw machine" look to differentiate the 4Runner from other, softer SUVs and the crossovers. It's not good, but won't keep me from buying if I like the ride.

    OUCHHHH, Cliffy, on the Toyota Epic. I've got one. I talked to the GUY IN CHARGE at Toyota Marine about it...he says they simply underestimated the loyalty of the ski crowd to their brand. That's the mistake. The product was and is terrific, great fit and finish, and the Lexus V8 is like silk. Even though they bailed, Toyota has a 10 year plan for parts and service. I guess I'll put it with my 8-track, Beta-max, 386, Legend and everything else I've owned that they don't make anymore. BTW, I gave $27,000.

    Lastly, on the surge brakes. They work reasonably well under normal circumstances. Trying to back up even a slight inline is often impossible. There should be a mechanical lockout for reverse, or an electrical lockout. It senses the backup light circuit and locks out the sliding surge feature.

    Thanks to all for the useful info on the 4Runner...you don't think Toyota will bail on this........
  • I drove a Limited black on grey leather yesterday that was loaded, sans the nav system. The engine/transmission combo is excellent. Very smooth and a butt load of punch off the line. Superior seating position, with ample distance from seat cushion to floor surface. Interior materials are of high quality with an IKEA type atmosphere - I liked it. The sound system rocked as well. Really, the only misgiving I have is the darn cladding and fender well shape. Maybe some 20" wheels would help fill the openings.
  • Paul147 -
    I live in the South East region and here they are bringing all 4x4 Sports in with Sunroof's. I am a pretty tall guy myself and understand your situation. I have seen some here w/ Sunroof's go for about 32K. You may be able to special order the vehicle just the way you want it, but that would take 90 to 120 days before you even got the vehicle because of the fact these vehicles are still built in Japan.
  • Hi all,
    This past weekend, a friend of mine told me that I could install a rear locker on my 2002 2wd 4runner? Any truth behind this? What's the point in putting a locker on a 2wd?
  • I finally saw the 2003 4runner in person this past weekend, a silver Limited model. The interior looked good and appeared to be constructed of top quality materials. The exterior (cheesy) was a different story and looked like a juxtaposition of after market body panels from the JC Whitney catalog. The rear end of the vehicle also looked stupid and appears to have been designed as an afterthought. The tiny tailpipe placed on the right rear of the vehicle looks lost amid all of the plastic; a dual exhaust system would have looked so much better. It's really a shame what Toyota has done to this vehicle. I really wanted to like it as my 2000 SR5 has been bullet proof in terms of reliability and runs like a champ in the mud and snow.

    I'm sure this vehicle will sell since most will prioritize reliability and value over aesthetics, but I can't see spending ~40K on a car that's looks this eccentric and gaudy.

    Since I won't be in the market for a new vehicle until 2004, I think I'll start saving my pennies for a V-10 TDI diesel powered VW Touareg (515 lbs/ft torque!). Although expensive, this truck looks the part and will be just as capable, if not more so, in the mud and snow. Add to that a touch of class, ruggedness, and exclusiveness, and VW's got a sale.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    so what's your point?
  • What don't you comprehend?

    Opinion - Redesign is ugly; not worth 40K = won't buy and will look elsewhere next year.
    Like my current 4runner, wanted to like the new one - don't. Toyota disappointed.

    It was an opinion piece, like many others on this board. Perhaps it's contrary to your own.

    What's your point?
  • peter78peter78 Posts: 284
    It's seems a lot of us are comparing the 4th generation and the 3rd generation 4Runner. I found someone who posted pictures of their new 4Runner on the "Webshots" web site, but what is interesting is that he shows 3 shots of the new 4Runner next to his 1997 137,000 mile 4Runner. My view of the pictures:


    1.) Boy that 6 year old 4Runner still looks great, Toyota can build a quality product.


    2.) The new 4Runner is wider and not quite as tall.


    3.) In the front view shot, the engine compartment of the 97 is larger, while the grill on the 03 is quite noticeable.


    So what is your opinion?


    http://community.webshots.com/album/52229257rmrwxr

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,676
    the older 4Runner has larger tires than what was stock, and may(?) be lifted as well.

    Bob
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    he has a lift, but I bet the tires are stock size 31x10.5

    Boy these pictures sure do demonstrate one thing: the 3rd gen looked distinctive compared to other SUVs on the road, whereas the 4th gen blends - it is an "everyman" SUV.

    I think Toyota felt that they were losing sales because of the unique styling and size of the Runner. The same way they build Buick Avalons, and took over that market, they are now attacking the American SUVs by building Chevy 4Runners.

    I am sure the reliability and depreciation will be outstanding, just like Avalon, but the looks will not. Sadly, the offroad capability may not either.

    Everyone who has test driven the new one and posted here has talked about the smooth ride and enormous quiet power of the 4th gen - that is what Toyota was going for - to make it more mainstream. Problem is, mainstream SUVs compromise their trucky qualities to cater to the soccer parents and the commuter executives.

    Proof in the pudding - how many people have we seen post right here asking where that third row seat is?

    You know what I would love to see? One of those test drive offroad courses like Land Rover has at all its dealerships!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • peter78peter78 Posts: 284
    "nippononly" I couldn't of said it better myself.
  • The problem here is that most everyone on this board really likes Toyota. We've all been looking forward to the new 4Runner for a while, and I think most people were basically hoping for the next coming of the Messiah or something. Let's face it, Toyota wants to sell vehicles. So why shouldn't they add power to compete with other SUV's? Why shouldn't they make it quieter? Why shouldn't they make it larger and more comfortable inside, and with more conveniences?

    I think there are only 2 things negative that can be said about the new model - the body cladding is pretty ugly, and the ground clearance is not as great as the 3rd gen. As for the cladding, if you don't like it, either wait until they get rid of it, or get the Limited. You can't tell me that the black Limited posted above doesn't look great. It happens to be sitting next to a jacked-up 3rd gen with big tires, so that takes away from it a little, but I think this model will look great in 10 years, just like the older models. As for the reduced ground clearance, I think it's more than compensated for with the hill descent/incline systems, bigger engine, etc. that Toyota added.
    When you look at what else is out there, I don't think there's another SUV that competes with the new 4Runner if you consider power, quality, price, and off-road worthiness. I'd rather see Toyota move a little more mainstream with the 4Runner than the alternative: they make it more hardcore, it doesn't sell well, and they get rid of the model altogether. Think about that for a while...
  • beagles3beagles3 Posts: 132
    Funny, I saw the 2003 in this picture at a local Toyota dealership here in Bellevue, Wa on Friday..Guess they just bought in Burien, WA and had the itch to driver over to the Bellevue, WA dealer to show off:) The salespeople at the Bellevue dealership were licking their chops because they did not get a Limited initially, it this was their first chance to actually look, touch and feel it!!

    You can't compare the two rigs because the 3rd gen has some type of lift and looks funny because it seems like one of those rear helper spring lifts?

    I drove the 2003 and I loved it,but, I agree, the cladding makes me almost want to keep what I have?

    But, like everything else that Toyota has built, it will grow on me...
  • kjack100kjack100 Posts: 133
    Of course I have to chime in. How many people are really going to take a new $30-40,000 vehicle extreme off road? I stress the word extreme. I am guessing here but, 80% to 90% of these vehicles wheels are never going to leave the pavement. It seems though like the people that post here are more avid off roaders and boat towers, but not rock climbers. Frankly, on my '98, there is 2WD, 4WD low and high, that's it. No locking diff, none of the hill assist, downard ascent, traction control, or fulltime 4WD(hi and lo)that is found on the on the 2003.

    I think the 2003, while having some exterior styling quirks, appears to be more adequate off road, not less; especially for their target market. 100,000+ people are buying this vehicle annually. I use 4WD occasionally for vintage beer can dumping(collecting not littering); and pulling a boat out of the water. I am going to welcome the fulltime 4WD.

    I would think the avid 4WD fan who seeks out extreme off roading, rock hill climbing/stream fjording, etc., would be better served with a manual FJ40 or a Jeep Wrangler/CJ modified to their needs...maybe the 2003 V8 4Runner even towing it?

    Third row seating...it's going to be offered as an option on the same platform Lexus; it does not compromise the beloved fixed rear axle; why not offer it as an option on the Toyota? I don't think it's any less "trucky/manly" to have that.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,676
    Gimmick, or useful? Whaddya think?

    At first I liked the idea. Now I'm not so sure. In all my years of stuffing luggage, etc. in the cargo area of my SUVs, not once did I wish for this feature.

    The vertical space under the shelve is not huge, so I'm not sure large suitcases would fit under it, and, due to the 60(?) pound shelve limit, I don't think you would want to put heavy suitcase(s) on top of the shelve.

    I would rather have seen an integrated dog/cargo guard instead.

    Bob
  • beagles3beagles3 Posts: 132
    Can it be removed easily?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,676
    when not needed. I guess it can be removed, although I haven't checked. When folded flat, it adds about an inch or so to the load floor height.

    Bob
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