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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I was standing in front of a V-8 SR5 2WD tonight, and the base price was $28,0xx. So I can't see how the base SR5 V-6 could be more money. Something wrong there. Maybe it is a higher price in Canada?

    BTW, the Pacific Blue looks great, and if you go with one of the two gray colors or the black, the cladding really doesn't look too bad. Also, the green is so dark, it kind of blends there too. Check it out in person - don't rely too much on the pictures.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • aufan1aufan1 Posts: 21
    Is there anyway to get a limited in cloth...ie: can the dealer switch the seats out to cloth seats. If so, would there likely be a price decrease/increase?

    Also, any hope of SR5 coming in body colored cladding like the limited?

    Thanks for the help!!!
    Keep emailing Toyota with complaints about cladding... hope for a change... soon!
  • Do the traction control systems and other electronics preclude the ability to add a rear axel locker to the 2003 4Runner ???

    Couldn't get a straight answer at the dealer, but are the differentials open diff front and rear ???

    The x-fer case lock, does it truly lock the front and rear outputs meaning the slip/torque sensing operates in the open mode ???

    Stopped by the dealer at lunch today and the salesperson wasn't the best. Kept telling me about all the great features and skirted around most of my questions.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Also of note, the Lexus 4WD system is controlled by a console-mounted shift lever, that includes a "Neutral" position, unlike the 4Runner.

    Interesting about the additional height; every picture I've seen of the GX470, the vehicle seemed much shorter than the 4Runner, even though the wheelbase is the same. The 3" of added height of GX explains that visual discrepancy.

    Bob
  • Sorry for the mistake in CDN pricing. The Base SR5 V6 price quoted was not for the "base"
    model but for the SR5 V6 "Sport" model. Here are the Canadian MSRPs including PDI of
    $1260.00 and other excise taxes of $120.00

    Base SR5 V6 $40,480 CDN or $25,500 US (at .63 CDN dollar)
    SR5 V6 Sport $44,870 CDN or $28,270 US
    Base SR5 V8 $41,880 CDN or $26,385 US
    SR5 V8 Sport $46,270 CDN or $29,150 US
    Ltd V6 $49,810 CDN or $31,380 US
    Ltd V8 $51,935 CDN or $32,720 US

    Hope this clarifies things
  • I have to agree with many of the posts regarding the new 03 styling, particularly the cladding. I could likely get used to the cladding and outside appearance but I think Toyota erred on the interior. That's one ugly interior. The console looks like it was designed to look like a Circuit City boombox and far as I could tell, they've done away with the wood trim on the Limited. I'll keep my 99 4Runner and opt for something more traditional next time I buy.
  • trdsctwo,

    Such a comparison is good only if the US person wants to come here to buy his Runner here. Car are not priced as per $ ratio but at a price car makers deem fair for the country and its economic situation.

    Ex: a 40K Limited in the states would be 60K here, Toyota would not sale many at that price. So they adjusted the price for this market.

    Obviously an american resident could come here and buy one at thos rediculous price but he would not have any warranty coverage in the US.
  • The figures quoted were for information purposes only. I would never suggest that a US resident could come to
    Canada and save significant amounts of money on their vehicle purchase. I believe that this would be a violation
    of the auto pact or similar trade law and if the vehicle is brand new, the Toyota new car warranty would be void.
    The only way to import a vehicle into the US is that it be "used". I am not certain as to what the exact age or
    mileage requirements are but they certainly cannot be brand new. You are correct about the differences in pricing
    when comparing US and Canadian retails. The stickers charged in each country are more related to relative rates
    of taxation, other competitor's prices, and in general the consumer's "ability to pay".
    Thanks for your comments, and I hope that this clarifies my point of view.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,184
    I don't think it's illegal to import a new Canadian car into the US. Just go through the somewhat onerous paperwork hoops. I think most all new Canadian cars meet the same emissions and safety regs of the US. The lack of a factory warranty is a bit of a concern though.


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  • The limited model of the 4-Runner comes with standard leather interior. You could get the seats reappolstered if you wanted, but that would be additonal in cost. The better option may be to get a good set of seat covers if you want cloth on the seats you sit on. As of the current time, there is no way of getting the body colored cladding on a trim level other than the limited unless you bring your new 4-Runner to a body shop and have them paint them.

    As to the question about the rear locker being able to be interfaced by the '03 4Runner. I don't honestly know. However, it would be unlikely. The electronics of the TRAC and VSC work together with the Torsen system to limit wheel spin to any one wheel. When you lock the center differential, it does lock the output from the center differential to a fixed 50/50 front and rear. Hope this helps.
  • dan_mdan_m Posts: 7
    Toyotaken,
    I disagree with your discription of premium fuel. Premium fuel actually burns slower and has a more controlled predictible burn rate due to the lower number of impurities. It does not necessarily burn any hotter. Premium fuel has less resistance to detonation and can be used in higher compression engines. High compression engines burn hotter not by the fuel they run but because they can generate more power due to the increased compression of the gas/air mixture. Running regular fuel in a high compression engine may cause the fuel to detonate (or explode before the spark plug or engine needs it) which may cause damage to the engine. If you run premium fuel in an engine that does not require it then you are just wasting money.
    As the competing auto manufacturers fight over horsepower they are trying to squeeze more and more power from engines and that is why you see more often that engines require premium fuel.
  • jynewfjynewf Posts: 26
    Dan_m, I agree with 99% of what you posted except with respect to impurities.

    My understanding is that there isn't any more or less impurities in regular fuel that there is in premium. The sole difference is in octane rating. Fuel with an average hydrocarbon length of 8 carbons is rated "100" on the octane rating scale (hence the name "OCTane"). Of course, its impossible for a refiner to blend a fuel with only one chain length of hydrocarbon; all fuels contain a bell curve distribution of chain lengths, with the calculated average length rated against the octane scale. Hence, the lower the octane rating, the greater the percentage of short chain hydrocarbons on the tail end of the bell curve that preignite in a high compression engine, thus causing the early detonation as described in the post.

    In certain cases, in order to achieve a higher octane rating, ethanol is blended into premium fuels. Some brands also put additives into their premium fuels. Other than that, I am not aware of any differences in "purity" or "quality" of the actual fuel in regular vs. premium.
  • akgakg Posts: 85
    Well, I never heard the word cladding until now and I see why the word comes up a jiggidy-zillion times in these posts. It's ugly and reminds me of when Nissan changed over to a 'tough' new look in their trucks to make it more macho and sporty. Otherwise, it's a nice looking rig. Maybe Toyota higher-ups read these posts and will evolve out of the cladding in future years. Cliffy, what do you think?
  • I agree that there is little difference in terms of "impurities" between regular and premium. The commodity prices for both grades are only couple cents apart per gallon, so there is little chance that there can be additional refining step involved between regular and premium. The price differentiation at the pump mostly comes from customer differentiation, and the overhead of maintaining a seperate tank for less frequently used fuel (overwhelming majority fuel purchased is regular).

    Shorter carbon chains actually have higher octane. Evaporative volatility is not related to pre-ignition volatility; longer chains breaking down under compression is actually what frequently leads to pre-ignition. Diesel fuel has much longer average chain length than gasoline, and diesel engines run as pre-ignition by design. Shorter chains however does lead to higher evaporative volatility, hence most higher octane fuels achieve those high ratings by the introduction of kinked chains (double bonds), and aromatics (rings). Depending on the brand, some premium gas can have as much as 30% or more aromatics instead of the simple HC chain. Whenever double bonds and rings are increased, the H/C ratio drops, so premium fuel typically has less energy content than regular (but if your engine has to retard timing to accept regular, the energy content in the fuel itself matters less than how efficiently your engine can extract it).
  • I am looking at a 1990 4Runner with relatively low mileage (100,000 km or 60,000 miles). It is a v4 std. My question to experienced 4Runner owners (I have never had one and do not know a lot about them) is - is this vehicle worth considering or is it getting too old. It is in extremely good condition and is priced at $10k (cad). Is it likely worth the dollars?
  • My 2 cents worth as an owner of all previous generations; spend a few more bucks and buy the 3rd generation (1996-2002) model. It has more power, more rear seat leg room, is quieter and generally a much better vehicle.
    It is also lighter (most models weigh less than 4000 lbs) whereas the 1990 to 1995 models (V6) weighed over 4000.
    I owned my 1995 V6 5-speed for exactly 5 months at which time I traded it in for a 1996 auto. There is no
    comparison!
  • Thanks for the input and suggestions. Will look at the '96 models. Not knowing a lot about these vehicles it is great to get some feedback from an experienced owner.
  • peter78peter78 Posts: 284
    Couple of concerns with the 1990. The 2.4 in-line four makes 116 HP. I am not big on horsepower, but 116 HP is pretty low for such a heavy vechile. Second, 60,000 miles sounds real good if it hasn't been turned back, but that is less than 5,000 miles a year. My Grandfather had a car with super low miles and it had more trouble than a normal car with more miles. Think about it, it is probably sitting around alot with short trips. A SUV with more miles, but not a ton of miles might be better. If you still like it, look for rust and ask for records. Being 13 years old expect a lot of maintenance.

    Like in the other post, I think I would look at other options. Of course a 96 would cost a lot more and if it is a V6, their is a concern over the head gaskets, but that of course is another story.

    Before you decide to turn it down or even to buy it, I would take a close look and be sure to take it for a nice long test drive.
  • If you'd like to see how old we 4Runner enthusists are, check out the poll at:


    http://www.dawgpak.com/4Runner/

  • I test drove a '03 Limited today (2wd, no x-reas). Very smooth ride. Leans a little in hard turns.

    Has anyone drove both a 2wd and a 4wd/x-reas 4Runner? Wondering how much of a difference to expect in handling.
  • Peter,
    Thanks for the feedback. The vehicle is actually currently owned by a friend of mine. The mileage is for real. Also, the vehicle appears to be in excellent condition - she has taken to the Toyota dealer for all scheduled mtce since new. I just wasn't sure about that particular year vs other years and what, if anything, to watch out for. It is a std transmission which may help with the power a bit. Guess I'd best take it for a long test drive as you suggest.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I have a V-6 5 speed, and I would call it slow but adequate. At highway speeds, you tend to lose speed going over mountain passes and the like.

    I certainly would not want to have the 4-cyl in this vehicle.

    In '96 they went to the 3.4L V-6, and by then they had also figured out they needed to redesign those head gaskets out of a new material, so there should not be those head gasket failures in the '96 and up V-6's.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • peter78peter78 Posts: 284
    I have always like the 2nd generation 4Runner. As far as reliability the 4 cylinder has a good reputation. I have heard to expect getting a new clutch at 120,000 miles or so. If it is from a friend, it may be pretty good. You may want to look at this link, it is from a person who owns a 91, best second generation web site I have seen. In his site he talks about the lack of power, especially in the 4.


    http://www.pnw4runners.net/tando/


    Now about head gaskets, their were actually 2 different set of problems. One was with the 3.0 V6 in the second generation and the second completely different problem was with the 96 3.4 V6. A re-call was done on the 96, so hopefully all have been replaced that needed replacing.

  • After road testing a Limited and an SR-5, I agree with many of the aforementioned posts. It's a great driving vehicle. Very different from my current 2000 SR-5 and a lot like the 2001 Sequoia(refined) I traded in after one year on a 2002 Avalon (it was too big for my needs).
    Positives as compares to the 2000 are smoothness, quietness in most situations, roomier esp. in front seat area, much more power, much better stereo with upgrade, easier for my 5'1" wife to get into(esp. because of a lower front seat bolster), tilt and extendable steering column and price compares well to that of the MSRP of my 2000 SR-5(which was 33,000).
    Negatives are cladding on SR-5(BIG negative), flimsier shifter console pieces, etc. on the dash, electonic climate control as compared to simple mechanical 2000 design, electronic rear hatch release (electronics = reliability questions eventually), harder to see out of right rear quarter glass, smelly exhaust after moderate to hard accelleration with rear window open,(my Sequoia did that). At speeds of 60 mph with all windows and roof closed, I did notice a great amount of wind buffeting in the roof area despite the rack's cross bars being positioned well to the back of rails(very bothersom). Also it doesn't seem as "friendly" or "likeable" as the 2000 type. I realize that is a very subjective comment.
    Right now, the cladding is the biggest reason I'm inclined to keep my 2000. I refuse to pay another approx. 5K for a Limited that has things I do not want, and would cost as much as an SR-5 Sequoia. None of my family can stand the cladding no matter what color the main body of the vehicle is, and I as I said I tend to agree. Painting would still leave a rough texture and the notches. (I wonder what the Limited's prepainted arches and door cladding would cost??) Let's hope Toyota does indeed offer Limited style cladding and bumpers on the SR-5 SOON. I will buy when they do.
  • You mentioned smelling the exhaust after hard acceleration with the rear window down. I hope that you had at least one other window open. Driving with JUST the rear window down is dangerous as the vacum caused by the vehicle moving through the air will draw the exhaust fumes into the vehicle unless you have another window open to draw air from the front of the vehicle back through the rear hatch window.
  • Hi All

    Recently traded in my 1996 Camry and bought 2002 SR5 2WD 4Runner, liked it very much , only thing that bug me is the ride gets bumpy on concrete. I was wondering is there any thing which can be done for Bumpy rides ,like installing additional suspension ,don't know much about SUV.

    Guru's any ideas..
  • I always had at least one window and/or s/r open. I'm aware of what you correctly warned about(I've been in the auto repair biz for 28 years). The sulphuric(rotten egg)smell was especially apparent at speeds less than 45-50 mph, but also higher if my memory serves me. Driving around town produced the most occurrences, as might be expected. The Sequoia had no rear spoiler and test 2003 4Runner did. It's not a huge problem, but seems strange that such a nice feature as a roll down back window would not be usable under so many circumstances.
    Now if Toyota would just get rid of that gray cladding for SR-5 models....(might be appropriate for the sport model buyers?)
  • I understand Toyota recommends priminum fuel on both new v6 and v8 [89 oct.] Does anyone know which of the two new motors would run best on regular [87 0ct.] ????
  • joatmonjoatmon Posts: 315
    My 97 4Runner came w/ Michelin LTX M/S. Great tires. Got 74k out of them and would have gone another 10k if pressed. But, the ride wasn't the best on pavement. Replaced with Michelin Cross Terrains. The pavement ride improvement is incredible. After 22k, the tires show little wear.

    All you need is ~$550 and you are good to go.

    Jack
  • rollie3,

    If you look back a few posts, you'll see quite a few posts about this topic. However, to answer your question, both will run well on 87 octane, just at a lower level of performance. HP and Torque numbers won't be quite a robust, although for most people, it won't be something that you will notice substantially.
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