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Toyota 4Runner

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  • Just follow the owners manual. It worked 4 me.
  • kheintz1kheintz1 Posts: 213
    You might also want to have the first oil & filter change at 1000-1500 miles.
  • dpalaudpalau Posts: 20
    I have heard this before on these boards...can anyone explain to me why?

    Thanks.
  • I asked this question from my dealer last week, and he said that an oil change every 5000 miles(as recommended in the manual) is sufficient.
  • kheintz1kheintz1 Posts: 213
    The internal, moving parts of new engines are often built to very tight or close tolerances. In other words, even in the presence of an adequate amount of motor oil, these newly manufactured internal moving parts of the engine (e.g., pistons and their cylinder walls, rings, etc.) will initially tend to be more tightly apposed or close together as they repeatedly slide past one another during the engine's "break-in" period.

    Logic dictates that during this period (when tolerances are most tight) there will often be a greater amount of tiny metal shavings and particles generated as these moving parts more fully mesh, settle in together, and begin to "seat" themselves with respect to one another. As this normal "abrasive" process unfolds during the first 1000-1500 miles in the life of the engine, the metal shavings and particles so generated are, of course, shed into and suspended in the engine oil, and then filtered and trapped by the oil filter. Thus, many enthusiasts feel it is often wise to change the engine oil and oil filter of a new engine after the first 1000-1500 miles have been logged, since this may very well help rid the interior of the engine of the greater amount of abrasive metal particles generated during the early break-in period.
  • Howdy!
    Speaking of the effectiveness of VSC, I wanted to make everyone aware that the NHTSA has, just today, posted the "Model Year 2004 Rollover Test Results". You can see them here:

    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/nhtsa/announce/press/pressdisplay.cfm?ye- ar=2004&filename=pr03-04.html

    These tests used a new testing method called the "fishhook maneuver", while in the past they have relied on an analysis based on vehicle center of gravity, etc. I would think the new test is more representative of what would happen in the real world.

    I was disappointed to see the 4Runner received only 3 stars, while several other SUVs (Buick Ranier 4x4, Trailblazer 4x4, GMC Envoy 4x4, Olds Bravada 4x4, and Volvo XC90 4x4) received 4 stars.

    Enjoy!

    -- Jim
  • I am thinking to get the nav system with my new Runner. Would appreciate knowing how well it works and how easy is it to use. I drive in mainly suburban\urban areas. Thanks.
  • vdobvdob Posts: 6
    I have never seen a Sport version in person and I just want to know what color the interior is? The brochure says that it is two toned.
  • alfster1alfster1 Posts: 273
    The Nav System is highly functional and easy to use. It can be programmed in several different ways and will also direct you to various facilities (ie. ATMs, Parks, Hotels, etc.). Estimated time of arrival to destination and distance to destination are also displayed.
  • I don't have the owner's manual or vehicle yet, so that's why I'm inquiring about it from this board. I'm trying to ascertain how much long distance travel is feasible, and how quickly. I.e. If I get this vehicle tomorrow and in 2 weeks want to drive it 900 miles in a single day up to Colorado (skiing road trip), is that a big no-no that early, or is it a reasonable expectation.

    Just curious on what the general guidelines are in the manual. Thanks.
  • Got a problem here.. I just purchased a Limited v8 4Runner Monday. All that I needed done to it was a Side-Signal Mirror upgrade which was to be done Tuesday morning. I got a call Tuesday afternoon that they needed to keep it because they got a Check Engine light and believe it has a transmission problem (this vehicle has 16miles on it!). Now I'm hearing that they are calling in someone from Toyota to look at it and that they may need to replace the transmission. I'm really disappointed about this.

    My salesman says that they can find me another vehicle just like it if I'm not happy with this one. He said that because I have not officially 'accepted' the vehicle yet, that I'm not bound to the contract I signed Monday. Is this correct? It had the VIN # and all, layed out the costs, etc.. I mean, I bought the vehicle. Am I truly able to walk away from this if I haven't yet 'accepted' it? (Note: I still want one just like it, just not one with a major transmission problem right off the bat..)
  • aggiedogaggiedog Posts: 238
    If the dealer offered a new ride, then take it. In some states you have a couple of days to change your mind anyway. They probably know that.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    In some states you have a couple of days to change your mind anyway.

    I think that only applies to purchases that are made offsite - i.e. not at the dealership.

    tidester, host
  • kjack100kjack100 Posts: 133
    I wouldn't walk, I'd run back to the dealership this morning and take them up on that. What a great dealer you found.
  • "I was disappointed to see the 4Runner received only 3 stars, while several other SUVs (Buick Ranier 4x4, Trailblazer 4x4, GMC Envoy 4x4, Olds Bravada 4x4, and Volvo XC90 4x4) received 4 stars."

    If you can get these vehicles to reliably start.
  • "Got a problem here.. I just purchased a Limited v8 4Runner Monday. All that I needed done to it was a Side-Signal Mirror upgrade which was to be done Tuesday morning. I got a call Tuesday afternoon that they needed to keep it because they got a Check Engine light and believe it has a transmission problem (this vehicle has 16miles on it!). Now I'm hearing that they are calling in someone from Toyota to look at it and that they may need to replace the transmission. I'm really disappointed about this. "

    Disappointed? I think you should kiss your dealer, most would have 'fixed' this problem and passed it to you with a smile and w/o a word. Get another vehicle, it is too early in the process to have doubt.

    It's kinda like sitting on the tarmac in a commercial jet waiting for takeoff and having the pilot come on and say there is a hydraulic leak in the engine and they will have to check it out. Makes you very uncomfortable, doesn't it?

    Your new car, buying experience should be nothing but bliss and excitement. Afterall, you are paying $40K for that feeling.
  • 2003 V8 radio has been freezing since I bought the truck in Nov/03. Jan 30/04, the dealer changed the amp per the TSC. Today, 5 minutes after leaving my residence, the radio (sound) stopped! Restarting ignition reset it once again. Just called dealer and told them that the amplifier is not the problem.

    In my opinion, it's either a flaky JBL HU or the main computer needs new firmware (software).

    As usual, I'll keep you posted.
    --
    Chris
  • "I was disappointed to see the 4Runner received only 3 stars, while several other SUVs (Buick Ranier 4x4, Trailblazer 4x4, GMC Envoy 4x4, Olds Bravada 4x4, and Volvo XC90 4x4) received 4 stars."

    I don't know if this would have made a difference or not but NHTSA used the SR5 trim (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/2957.html) which isn't equipped with the X-REAS suspension set-up. It would be interesting to see if the test results would have improved with an X-REAS equipped 4Runner.
  • from that vehicle & choose another. The issue may not be immediately resolved & may haunt you for a long time. I must admit you have an excellent dealer based on your message. Just my $.02
  • dpalaudpalau Posts: 20
    I just got my 2004 SR5 4x4 and "I'm lovin' it". However, I do have a few nit-picks and was wondering if anyone has any solutions for them:

    1. Gauge lights are always on no matter what when the car is running. Not only when you turn the outside lights on. Now I could just lower the interior light level to nothing during the day but that is kind of a pain when I turn on the outside lights and then have to crank the interior light level back up to see anything. Is this some computer thing that can be re-programmed?

    2. The base radio speakers stink. My base radio in my 96 RAV4 sounded better. I guess this is sort of subjective but I wish Toyota would have figured out how to get the upgraded JBL in with the 3rd row seats. No free solution for this one I guess.

    3. We have a rear facing child seat with a tether that you are supposed to anchor to the frame of the vehicle some place. In our other cars it was easy to find something to attach it to: either part of the back seat structure or something under the front seats. But since we have the 3rd row seats with the 2nd row seats being 'flip-ups' there is nothing to attach to there and nothing by the front seats except the 'rails' that the front seat sits on but which would interfere with moving them. I know that there are tether anchors in the rear for forward facing child seats but I can't find anything suitable for rear-facing ones.

    4. An extra 12V outlet up front would have been nice. Especially one that doesn't 'hide' beneath a cover. I mean how I am I supposed to speed with a radar detector and talk on my cell phone at the same time? ;)

    5. And the final nit-pick: is adding lighted visor vanity mirrors that much to ask for? I know they come with the side airbag option which I can't really understand how those two would be related (wiring maybe?). And not have heated outside mirrors goes with this as well I guess. I guess they needed something to differentiate the Sport and Limited.

    Some (most) of these are personal opinion only and I just want to say that this is truly a great vehicle if these are the only things that a world-class nitpicker like myself can come up with.

    Thoughts? Solutions?
  • toyboxxtoyboxx Posts: 150
    4. You can buy the ashtray for the truck and that will give you another outlet upfront.
  • kheintz1kheintz1 Posts: 213
    jjenkins: Drive your new 4Runner for as far a distance as you please, but remember to periodically vary the speed setting of the cruise control by a 3-5 MPH or more, in order to avoid the possibility of scoring the cylinder walls, etc. during break-in.

    I've heard it said that during the break-in period, a good rule of thumb is to not cruise at the same speed for more than ~50 continuous miles. That said, under many freeway conditions it's unlikely one would drive a 50 mile stretch of road without varying the speed just based on traffic patterns, posted speed limits, etc.

    It also goes without saying that for the first 500 miles or so, it is often wise to avoid jackrabbit starts off the line, repeated "pedal to the metal" aggressive accelerations, sustained speeds much above ~80 MPH, etc.

    I have the DVD/Nav. system in my 4Runner Limited, and while I initially thought I wouldn't use it much, after taking delivery of my truck I soon fell in love with this navigation system. In fact, now that I have such a tool, I'm totally spoiled and wouldn't buy another new vehicle without such a system. I could prattle on about the many virtues of this nav. system, but I'll spare you! That said, be prepared to carefully read and re-read the separate owner's manual for the DVD/Nav. module (and keep it in the glove compartment fro quick reference). Take the time to learn this easy-to-use system, and you'll likely fall in love too, and will be astonished at just how useful and POWERFUL it really is.
  • Thanks for the feedback. I confirmed today that they are ordering the entire transmission assembly. It had a code 82714 if that helps anyone w/knowledge of the codes (would like to know exactly what that indicates). I'm walking away from it alright (running is more like it). Now I just need to see if they will follow through on their promise to find another similar vehicle. He seemed pretty wishy-washy about it today.. I just want the contract voided at this point.. don't want any lingering paperwork around for a vehicle I never accepted or drove. I still want one just like it though.. they really do seem like great vehicles. Just bad luck that I got a busted one..
  • kheintz1kheintz1 Posts: 213
    "4. An extra 12V outlet up front would have been nice. Especially one that doesn't 'hide' beneath a cover. I mean how I am I supposed to speed with a radar detector and talk on my cell phone at the same time? ;)"

    My '03 4Runner Limited has an auxiliary power outlet in the right rear sidewall of the cargo bay, just forward of the rear lift hatch. Does the SR5 also have this? If so, you can easily add another cig. lighter type of outlet to the front cabin by doing what I've done: simply visit your local Radio Shack and buy a 10' extension cord that plugs into the rear "cig. lighter" type outlet. (There is an on/off switch where this extension cord plugs in to the power socket, along with a green pilot light indicating "on".) Run this cord forward, first along the side of the cargo bay, then under the rear floor mats, and then up into the front cabin, where it can be conveniently stowed in the center armrest console.

    Thus, when I'm running my Escort Passport 8500 radar/lidar detector, it's always plugged into the socket on the center console near the gear shift. (One could also add a "Y" splitter here for an additional outlet, but depending on the type used, these "Y" adapters or splitters may be too bulky and cumbersome for this particular position on the center console.) I then plug my cell phone charger cord into the "cig. lighter" extension cord that's coming from the rear, auxiliary power outlet. (A "Y" splitter could easily be added here as well.) And/Or, I can use the 110V outlet inside the center armrest to power my cell phone via it's small "household" recharger.

    My point here is that if one uses just a bit of imagination and common sense, this truck (or at least the Limited version) offers a NUMBER of possible permutations and solutions for DISTRIBUTED electrical power outlets in the interior of the truck.

    Using the rear power outlet with the extension cord I described, along with the truck's 110V plug, etc., I'm able to quite easily power all of the following items: 1) radar/lidar detector plugged into the center console jack, near the gear shift; 2) TWO cell phone chargers, one for each front adult passenger, powered from the extension-cord feed coming from the rear of the vehicle, using a "Y" splitter at the terminus, which is stowed in the armrest console. (These small cords can easily fit between the lid and lower lip of the center armrest, since this "box" has been designed with recessed notches or gaps to allow for the passage of electrical cords while the lid is fully closed and locked shut.) 3) The 110V outlet powers a laptop for the kids to watch DVD movies in the back seat.

    Now, then, stop whining about not having enough power outlets! You have plenty, just think outside of the box! :)
  • kjack100kjack100 Posts: 133
    Too good. :-) Can't have enough 12 volt and 110 volt running in the car. Ha. That reminds me of an SUV I saw this past holiday season. It had Christmas lights strung all around the roof rack and a wreath with lights on the grille. A 70 mile per hour rolling electrical grid.

    That cigarette lighter option is a good alternative, too. It is easy to install and has the two 12-volt outlets as mentioned.
  • dpalaudpalau Posts: 20
    The SR5 does indeed have an additional 12V outlet in the back. Thanks for the good ideas.

    Actually though I also have a 115V outlet in the center console so I guess I could just use the standard household charger for my cell phone instead of the 12V one and have the radar detector use the single 12V outlet. It sounds like that is what you are doing and it can handle the load.

    One nit-pick solved!
  • I'm considering a 4runner. Also pilot, durango, explorer, envoy, endeavor etal. Are you satisfied with the 4runner that you would buy it again. I realize the 4runner is more expensive than the competition. Is it worth it in your opinion?
  • scnamescname Posts: 296
    The only thing I miss on my 4runner is usable 3rd row seat. Explorer has good 3rd row, I'd also look at Chevy Tahoe before Envoy. Its real truck with good resale. Durango is trash,every owner I know has major problem.
  • vodgutvodgut Posts: 162
    From what I've read and understand about most vehicles, is that the 4Runner is generally going to be more off-road capable than the vehicles you list. It's generally more reliable, too. You're going to give up some cargo space compared to most of those, though. And I wouldn't get the 4Runner if you plan to haul a lot of people.

    I got the 4Runner for it's reliability, V8 power (though the V6 is probably pretty nice, too), on and off road driving, luxury (in Limited trim), and generic utility (ability to tow, good handling with X-REAS...). Subjectively, I like it's looks quite a bit, too. Yes, I'm satisfied with it and I would buy it again.
  • "I'm considering a 4runner. Also pilot, durango, explorer, envoy, endeavor etal. Are you satisfied with the 4runner that you would buy it again. I realize the 4runner is more expensive than the competition. Is it worth it in your opinion?"

    I traded my '02 Sport 4x4 Runner for a '03 Sport 4x4 Runner. Best vehicle made, period. You get what you pay for, resale value in a few years.

    I traded for a more modern equipped and bigger interior vehicle.
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