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Toyota 4Runner



  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    A larger payment, and a little wood of course.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,658
    a taller vehicle, which means a higher center of gravity.

  • And don't forget the ugly, out-of-date, pain in the a$$ sideways-opening liftgate.
  • rogers12rogers12 Posts: 140
    Also, Probably a lot more weight to move around with the added "luxury" items.
  • sacstate1sacstate1 Posts: 189
    Higher insurance premiums! Higher service bills!
  • bpl646bpl646 Posts: 4
    has anyone bought a warranty from this site?Was it honored at another toyota dealership?Just want to make sure its the real thing before buying anything
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    That site is run by a dealership in the Midwest. They sell the genuine Toyota plans that can be purchased at many dealerships and they are honored at all of them. You can shop their prices at other stores.
  • The dealer in Coquitlam, BC, Canada, where I had my service done, was arrested for illegally selling Canadian cars in the US, and his dealership was confiscated!!!

    But, yes, unless that is the only dealer in town, if you get treated badly, take your hard-earned cash elsewhere. That's how it works in capitalism
  • aggiedogaggiedog Posts: 238
    What are elderberries?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    isn't air suspension standard on the GX?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • "I told him his mother was a hamster and his father smelled of elderberries." Another insult from one of the funniest movies of all times -Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
    Elderberry is a berry which among other things, can be used for wine making.

    Now back to the 4Runner discussion....
  • rward99rward99 Posts: 185
    > First of all, a greasy mechanic does not
    > put covers on the seat, and is tall challenged.
    > He leaves my seat so far forward and angles the
    > seat almost all the way back so he can do the
    > gangster lean. I can't even get in without
    > moving the seat back from it's full forward
    > position.
    >( I am 6-1)
    > pat84

    > In regard to your seat position, ditto for me
    > too. Everytime I get back into my car the seat
    > has been adjusted for P. Diddy
    > sacstate1

    I find that both of these remarks to be bigoted and really don't have any place in this forum. There is no such thing as "tall challenged", but the references to "gangster lean" and P. Daddy" were insensitive and unnecessary.

    Perhaps you would like it if the shorter person drove your car with the seat in it's original position and crashed your expensive car into something or somebody. If someone drives my car I want them to adjust the seat and mirrors so that they can drive it safely. When I get back into it I can put everything BACK the way I like it. It's a whole 10 seconds out of my day, about what the mechanic spent.
  • aggiedogaggiedog Posts: 238
    Thanx, I'm not a wine drinker or Monty Python fan.
  • pat84, what you describe is deplorable, I would get a hold of someone higher up the Toyota chain and file a complaint. The least they could do is try and adjust the seats back near where they were. I don't think they should mess with adjustments at all. And "crashing it into someone or something", c'mon, that made me laugh. From the lot to the service bay, what is it, 50 feet? Or is the lot on a freeway 5 miles away?

    Rward99: "I find that both of these remarks to be bigoted and really don't have any place in this forum. There is no such thing as "tall challenged", but the references to "gangster lean" and P. Daddy" were insensitive and unnecessary."

    Are you serious? You took offense to that? I read right by it and didn't blink an eye. In fact I chuckled, I thought it was funny. The last thing on my mind was some "political correctness" crap or whatever. Don't try and make a mountain out of a mole hill, the remark was made all in fun and should be taken at nothing more than that.
  • I always seem to get the "P. Diddy" seat treatment whenever I take my vehicle in for service, not only that sometimes the radio station has been changed and other stuff moved around. Makes you wonder if they don't use our vehicles as "loaners" for the employees for lunch breaks!
  • kjack100kjack100 Posts: 133
    Thanks for the detail rward. I'll beat the dead horse a bit more. I was looking and don't see where the sunroof would interfere. The recess outline only goes back over the second row. I can't reallly see where a 4Runner would conflict on the air suspension since they are equipping GX470's with air suspensions on the same assembly line. Go 8 speakers on the stereo system. Is eight enough? Giddy up.

    I was wondering about that extra 3 inches height on the GX470. The 4Runner barely clears the airport parking garage here. Guess you have to park a GX470 on the height (un)challenged lot. The P. Diddy gansta lean comment may have been a hair over the top. :-)
  • steveb84steveb84 Posts: 187
    Installing the sunroof lowers the entire ceiling height - thereby not leaving enough headroom for a third row of seats that would sit higher than the second row.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    Those comments were made by 2 separate posters.
     I was responsible for the "gangsta lean" comment. It was meant as a humorous comment about the fact that the service dept, mechanic left my front seat all the way forward, with the seat back reclined quite a ways.
     I had to move the seat rearward in order to get in. Add to that the fact that there were no seat protectors used and that that my front seat is soiled with grease, "inconsiderate, short, sloppy, greaseyast moron" is more appropriate.
  • rentschlrentschl Posts: 69
    Thanks to those who have been posting their experiences on this issue!

    I had the vehicle in to the dealer for this issue. They did some testing in order to show when the fan is engaged as a function of coolant temperature. They have sent the data in to their "technical factory rep" and are awaiting a reply.

    What we do know is:
    -They agree that there shouldn't be such a dramatic power loss from the fan.
    -They agree that what we're seeing is from the fan.
    -The condition happens on my vehicle at outside ambient temperatures as low as 87 F.

    I talked to the dealer's mechanic that has been helping on this about it. He said that it is more of a function of engine temperature than of outside ambient temperature. Also engine temperature is a function of how much load the engine is being subjected to.

    That makes sense, however in my case I'm not hot-rodding around, driving up steep hills or towing anything in order to induce the problem (although it's certainly more noticable when doing those things). If it's this easy to cause with easy driving, why isn't the problem more pervasive on other 4.7l V8 equipped vehicles in a wide range of operating conditions?

    The "Click and Clack" story you hear about that this all reminds me of is where someone's car is repeatedly overheating when idling or with stop-and-go driving, but works fine when driving faster. This occurs when the viscous clutch fails in a mode that it never engages. At higher speeds there's enough airflow without the fan that the problem only shows up in slow driving or idling conditions.

    The reason I bring this story up is that the the fan shouldn't have to be fully engaged while driving at higher speeds. There should be enough air flow without it (or at least with it only partially engaged). The added air flow should cause the temperature to drop enough that the fan disengages (or at least is not fully engaged).

    One additional point that I now have clarification on is with how the viscous clutch is controlled. It is NOT electronically controlled (like some or all current GM vehicles are) and simply has a temperature sensor inside itself (like most vehicles with a front-back oriented crankshaft have had for years).

    I'll report back when we hear back from the factory.

    Please update us if you have any new information on how your vehicle is behaving relative to this issue.

  • coranchercorancher Posts: 232
    rentschl, thanks for keeping us up-to-date on this. Some parts of this puzzle me.

    First, I can't imagine how the fan could create much of a power loss, especially at highway speeds. I think you've described a loss that's probably in the tens of horsepower, and that doesn't make sense relative to what a fan needs, especially at speed.

    You're right about the viscous clutch operation being non-electronic. It's described in the maintenance manual a little. To be more specific about its operation, the degree of coupling depends on the temperature of the air going past the fan, air which has been warmed by the radiator and A/C condenser. Higher temps=stiffer coupling and higher fan speeds. Simple and effective, and the only odd thing (on my V6 at least) is how the coupling is stiff for the first 10-16 seconds after start-up, probably due to the internal fluid settling some when not spinning for a while.

    I agree with your assumption about the fan not being needed as much at higher speeds. It's probably drawing only a little horsepower then. The fan is always spinning, though, due to some residual coupling. That's a desirable thing, to make sure that the clutch body is always drawing a "sample" of the air past the radiator/condenser to get the temperature.

    My opinion (I wish it were worth more) is that you've got a problem with the engine management system or one of its sensors. At high temperatures it's backing off on timing or doing something with fuel flow or mixture. Unless this only has happened on one tank of unusually terrible gas, the problem should be reproducible and detectable from the OBD-II port. I wonder if your dealer has the ability to use something like the "Car Chip" or other device to do some data logging while driving at high ambient temps. I suspect it would be very tough to diagnose this kind of problem without data logging or a lot of parts swapping, test driving, and educated guesses.
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