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Toyota 4Runner



  • tloke1tloke1 Posts: 185
    A friend of mine owns a detail shop and you won't find a bottle of Armor All anywhere in the building, it's the last thing they would use he says. FIND me ANY professional detail shop that uses Armor All on dashboards, especially shops who deal in luxury or show cars. Search the internet for detail shops and you'll find every product used for interiors EXCEPT Armor All.

    There is no question that it attracts dust, one of its major drawbacks. Who wants a product that attracts dust to the interior of their cars? Who wants a product that make their dashboards overly GLOSSY, inviting glare from the windshield? It is greasy and difficult to remove. Do you want dirt sticking to your tires after you shine them? No thanks, I'll stick to products that are proven to be much much better.

    Show me a list of professional detailers that use and/or recommend Armor All for dashboards, I bet it will be tough to find ANY at all. Check out some of the Detailing message boards and see how many people use that product. Look through auto enthusiast boards and see how many people complain about dashboards that brown and other problems from using it. I see NO REASON at all to use a product such as Armor All when their are BETTER products out there.
  • Thanks for the info on Armor All. I've never had issues with it damaging anything (on my Mazda MX-6), but there seem to be better option. NOW, back to the ranch, has anyone noticed a slight variation in their 4Runner dashboard finish? This one section on mine over by the passenger just sounds diferent when I rub my hand across it, and from an angle it looks less glossy. A shining agent will not fix it. Can the dealer "buff" the dash in thi splace to be more like the rest?
  • Just for comparison of the 1998 V6 4wd Ltd and 2003 V8 4wd Ltd, IMO.

    2003 pro:
    great handling.
    smother over road bumps.
    larger interior and exterior.
    larger fuel tank 23 verses 18 gallons.
    finally hood actuator and not a prop rod.
    rear seat arm rest.
    115v AC outlet.
    garage door opener.
    eye glass compartment.
    softer leather seats.
    front seats has more lumbar support.
    side air bags & curtain.
    close to selling price of 1998.
    MPG/distance display.
    compass & auto dimming rear mirror.
    filtered interior air.
    4 wheel disc brakes.
    power assisted rear door latch opener/closer.
    running board lights? (not much of a factor)
    No power antenna.
    standard equipment, full tank of gas.
    standard equipment alarm and remote doors opener.
    Toyota nation customer service representatives.

    2003 con:
    low electric window switches.
    all time 4 wd.
    lower front seat head room.
    3 pod design dash.
    recommended 91 octane fuel.

    Wish list:
    oil pressure & battery voltage gauges.
    get rid of the port distributor option/charges.
    improved sales experience.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    2003 con:
    all time 4 wd.

    Full-time 4WD is one of the best features of the new 4Runner, IMO.

  • coranchercorancher Posts: 232
    Seems like we've got a case of the frequent confusion between silicon (an element that's a principal component of sand and glass and microchips) and silicone (a rubber compound). Keeping them straight will help you search for information on the right one.

    If you search discussions in "maintenance and repair" you'll get a variety of opinions. There have been quite a few reports that the Armor All formulations of some years back would produce a shiny, slick surface, and that the protective effects were nil or negative. Many claim that the current formulation is significantly improved, but not the best protectant out there.

    One of the best-liked protectants for rubber, vinyl, fiberglass, etc. is 303. I believe its full name is 303 aerospace protectant or something like that. I've had good luck with it, and it can even out the appearance of a vinyl dash without addng too much gloss. The site for this product describes (their claims anyway) the protective mechanisms, including absorbing UV in a sacrifical way.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,914
    I like 303 but am going to try the Vinylex stuff from Lexol when I run across it.

    303 is a bit hard to find - whitewater shops will have it (used on drysuit gaskets), and spa shops often have it for maintaining hot tub vinyl covers. I don't think I've ever seen it in auto parts stores around here.

    Steve, Host
  • rogers12rogers12 Posts: 140
    No problem finding it with a Google search.

    BTW, the cracking in rubber tires (dry rot) has been most often blamed on ozone. Tires are not subject to UV degradation owing to the carbon black in the rubber.
  • terrafirmaterrafirma Posts: 212
    The slight color variation and sound difference in the passenger side dash maybe from the airbag underneath.
    That portion of the dash is molded thinner and plyable for the passenger airbag to come out of. This might be the cause although I have not noticed it in mine. I can hear the difference when tapping on the dash when I get to the airbag.

    If you notice, Toyota has made the dash totally seamless and intergrated the airbag into the dash without the ugly hole with plastic plate covering or molded lines in the material.
  • sivi1sivi1 Posts: 82
    i would still like to know why my 10 and 9 year dashes are not falling apart because of this "junk armor all" and not a bunch of mish mash about your buddy who details cars! a mbenz rep asked "who detailed my benz",and i told him i did.
  • terrafirmaterrafirma Posts: 212
    It has silicon inside it. This makes the surface shine and look new. It also acts as a magnifier for UV rays so it drys out and cracks dashes and promotes dry rot in rubber. Also it ATTRACTS dust. Last, the stuff is almost impossible to remove."

    This is all crapola unless it can be substantiated. I don't like the shine so I don't use ArmorAll but I've never heard of it causing damage.
    As for attracting dust, the rubbing action causes that. Same as when you wax your car, the friction causes the attraction.
  • tloke1tloke1 Posts: 185
    Sivi1 said:
    "I would still like to know why my 10 and 9 year dashes are not falling apart because of this "junk armor all"

    Maybe you are lucky, maybe the dash materials are better in your vehicle, maybe Armor All doesn't crack any or all dashes. Your dash may not be falling apart, but it's greasy, too shiny and probably has a lot of dust on it, unless you wipe it every single day.

    The "look" of Armor All on a dash reminds me of the "obviously overdone" treatment you see on cheap used car lots. The dash has that "cover up the flaws" shiny look, just like the tires they paint that you can see your face in. To me, the first thing I think of at a car show when I see the "Armor All-ed" vehicles is that they just came from a used car lot and one of the salesman detailed them between customers.

    Sivi1 said:
    "a mbenz rep asked "who detailed my benz",and i told him i did."

    What does this prove? What detail experience and knowledge would a typical car salesman have? Most (but not all) know very little about the basic features and functions of the vehicles they are selling, let alone information about professional car detailing.

    To each his own, if you like the look and feel of Armor All then by all means continue to use it. It is difficult to find many people that like it, most it seems have very little good things to say about it.

    Armor All dries out fast and requires constant re-application if you want to retain that "cleaned-up used car look". There are certain parts of the interior you do not want to get it on as it is such a pain to remove from anything. In my opinion, and that of so many others, there are BETTER alternatives.
  • spgfrspgfr Posts: 2
    I'm testing a 2000 4Runner (55k miles) and noticed a constant vibration in the transfer case shifter when under way. Is this normal for a 4Runner? It's more noticable when accelerating and cruising than when decelerating, and occurs in both 2- and 4wd modes - worst at about 1800 rpm.
  • olrockerolrocker Posts: 16
    Doesn't the V8 have a timing CHAIN?
  • peter78peter78 Posts: 284
    It is my understanding that the 4.7 V8 has a timing belt and the new 4.0 V6 has a timing chain. If you go to the site I have a link to about interference engine and if you click on "timing belt replacement guide" it will show the 4.7 V8 Tundra as a timing belt AND that it is a interference engine. The 2003 4Runner is not in the guide, but the Tundra 4.7 is the same engine in the new V8 4Runner.

    (The replacement guide says to replace the 4.7 V8 timing belt at 90,000 miles.) - 4
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    It also acts as a magnifier for UV rays so it drys out and cracks dashes and promotes dry rot in rubber.

    The layer of ArmorAll is simply too thin to produce any magnification by refraction. Look elsewhere for explanations of perceived problems.

    tidester, host
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    it is normal for the transfer case shifter to vibrate as much as the transmission shifter, but of course the transfer case lever is shorter so it will be more apparent to your hand...they will both vibrate a little, as they are a direct connection to the transmission and engine...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • spgfrspgfr Posts: 2
    I've never owned a Toyota 4wd before, so I don't know what's normal. However, I've driven lots of Toyota 2wd stick shifts, and the level of vibration I'm getting from the xfer case would be unacceptable in a 2wd. BTW, the vehicle I'm testing is an automatic.

    Thx for your comments.
  • sivi1sivi1 Posts: 82
    i said mercedes rep (representative) NOT salesman and i think he knows a little bit more about cars than you! also used armor all on my 96 4 runner and got top dollar on trade in, sure did not hurt it after 6 years.
  • tloke1tloke1 Posts: 185
    Mercedes Rep, Mercedes salesman, SAME thing - if he sells cars he's a SALESMAN (or "Sales Person"). THIS week he is selling MB's, last week he was probably moving Fords or Kia's.
  • dmetzgerdmetzger Posts: 160
    I have used ArmorAll for years and never once have had any kind of problem from using it. I have a T100 that I have been using since Jan. 1996, and it is left out side at work, in the heat and sun and shows no signs of any brake down on the dash or anywhere else.
    I have heard some bad things about using ArmorAll, but all I can tell you that I have not had one problem over the last 25 years of using it.
    I am using Mequirs product on my wife vehicle, just because of some of the bad press on ArmorAll, and I like Meguirs products.
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