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Toyota 4Runner

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  • Why are you calling me names? I am just trying to pass along information I have from a very good and trusted source. If you choose to believe that the 4 Runner won't be re-designed until 2004, then fine. I have shared the correct information.
  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    The response from buzzlight was kind of a non answer, was it not? Hmmm.....
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I'm not calling names. You continue to raise suspicion because you have not established any credibility for your claims. Simply repeating a statement does not make it so. I realize that here on the Internet, anybody can claim anything they want, but over time, one can generally figure out if a person is on the level. You have not identified yourself as connected with Toyota, either at the corporate or dealer level.

    Keep in mind, that I am not ruling out what you have said. If you have some inside information that is not currently available at the dealer level, I'm happy to hear it. If you were to provide some specifics, it will build your credibility. If I get one allocated in two weeks, you'll have a ton of credibility. Until then, I have some suspicions about you.
  • dbh990dbh990 Posts: 2
    I will be picking up my new 4 Runner on Wednesday and I'm really looking forward to it. I have a 2000 Camry XLE and a 1992 Camry LE. I bought both new and now a 4WD 'cause we are moving to New Hampshire. Hope I enjoy the 4 Runner as much as the rest of my Toyota's over the years. Oh, getting SR5 with Sport Package, 4WD, Auto, Moon Roof, Rack, hitch, running boards. I guess all but Leather which I did not want. Got it for Invoice + $100.00 at Kissimmee Toyota in Kissimmee, FL. $32k TTT OTD....... Good/bad ?????
  • rward99rward99 Posts: 185
    Well, I've named my resource, and he had a video, and it was seen by over 400 people at the presentation. Before the Camry came out there were tons of 'leaks' on the internet. I've not seen one single picture of the redesigned 4Runner anywhere but in this video. I say it isn't going to happen this year. Whatever your source is Buzz, at least name the information of the source, like dealership or corporate. I mean, if an EVP of Toyota Sales says 2003, who could say anything different. I'll believe it's coming in the next six months when I see some more information, any information.

    As far as having previous year models to sell, when did that ever stop a car manufacturer from releasing information about an updated model?
  • I think you are making up the whole thing!!! If not, what was the name of the EVP giving the presentation?
  • I have also heard that the new truck will be out this year. This comes from a friend of mine who works at Southeastern Toyota (distributors). His sources tell him anywhere from March to June, but he thinks June is more likely.
  • And if comes out in June, July or Aug...so be it. Unless, you really need one because your lease is coming up. Buzz, I hope it does come out in March, I would like to see what it looks like.

    I know I should probably ask this in another forum, but what type of wax seems to be working best for you? I just bought a 02 Thunder Cloud so I guess I should get the 1st wax done as soon as possible. I used Meguires on my previous vehicle, but I felt the wax seemed to wear off quickly, and I used a car wash soap during washings. Maybe I wasn't putting enough of the Mequires on or possiblely using it during the wrong conditions. I'm not trying to knock the Mequires..I just may use it again.

    thanks...
  • jasanjasan Posts: 12
    Ejsesl,
    I bought my 4 Runner at Herb Chambers, the experience was fairly pleasant. However, when I asked the salesman and the service personnel some questions about a steering wheel shimmy when hitting bumps they told me it was normal, they could not provide any information as to why. I made a trip to 495 Toyota, the salesman I spoke with was extremely knowledgeable and provided me with the answers to my questions (see previous postings). There was another thing I liked about this dealership, while walking around the lot I was left alone, there is nothing worse than pulling into a dealership and having a salesperson stalking you. The downside to 495 is their lack of inventory, it's a small dealership. There's a dealership on route 9 in Northborough (I think it's Northborough), I don't have any experience with them but they have a very large selection. I hope this information is of some value to you.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    "As far as having previous year models to sell, when did that ever stop a car manufacturer from releasing information about an updated model? "

    This is actually a typical Toyota thing. When we have a new product coming out, and it will detract from current sales, they get VERY stingy with information. The 2002 Camry is a good example of this. It wasn't until 3 to 4 weeks before its release that we had anything official from Toyota about the new one. OTOH, there was plenty of information on the Tundra prior to its release because we had been bled dry of the T100 months in advance.

    Buzz could be right. I'm not ruling it out. I don't consider a March release likely based on what the owner here has heard from Toyota and based on the lack of hints from my district manager, but it is possible.
  • And my source could be wrong (but I hope not). He has a good record and confirmed today that the next generation 4-Runner should be out in March.
  • I am looking at buying an early 90's 4Runner. Wonder if someone can enlighten me on the differences between a regular 4Runner, one that is called an SR5 and one that is called a Limited.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    In the early 90's there was no such thing as a Limited. That model came out in late '94 or '95. All it had was leather. I'm trying to remember if there even was such a thing as a "base" model. If there was, it was the 4 cylinder. The name SR5 used to mean more than it does now. Originally, it referred to a Corolla sport model with a 5 speed transmission. Now, it just means it isn't a Limited.
  • rward99rward99 Posts: 185
    >I think you are making up the whole thing!!! If not, what was the name of the EVP giving the presentation?

    Jim Press, Erlanger KY, Toyota Motor Mfg N.A. January 11, 2002. This was a presentation to the Toyota North American employees. I happen to be one.

    Now name your source.
  • rward99rward99 Posts: 185
    >. The 2002 Camry is a good example of this. It wasn't until 3 to 4 weeks before its release that we had anything official from Toyota about the new one

    .. and there wasn't any information on the web? No spy shots? Not one single word? I'm not talking about 'official' word from Toyota. I agree with you on that. You won't here anything from them, but I don't think you could keep it secret for that long from all the various sources out there.

    You are (or were) in sales, so you know more about how that will affect sales. I never thought that it would be a problem. I like to see the new and old models together. Once I bought a new model and once I bought the previous year model. I've seen and heard about new models while the older model year was still for sale. Even after the new ones are on the lot, don't they keep the price high on them and continue to sell the previous year at a discount?

    There's plenty of speculation about the redesigned Sienna, and unofficial word of when that will be out, sightings in L.A., and various confirmations that it will be in January 2003, etc. Yet the 4Runner is due in less than 2 months and there isn't anything at all? Sorry, I just don't swallow it. Fall of this year would be much more credible, but again, the video that I attended said fall of 2003.

    I want the new model, just for the V-8 and 3rd seat if for no other reason. I would like to see it this year because I don't want to put any more money in my old one. I just don't think it's going to happen this year.

    BTW, there did used to be a 'regular' 4Runner. They quit making it a few years ago. I don't think that you could actually get one unless it was a special order. It came with the 4-cylinder and wasn't very popular. I saw pricing on it here on Edmund's site, but I've never seen one on the lot or the road.
  • " >. The 2002 Camry is a good example of this. It wasn't until 3 to 4 weeks before its release that we had anything official from Toyota about the new one

    .. and there wasn't any information on the web? No spy shots? Not one single word? I'm not talking about 'official' word from Toyota. I agree with you on that. You won't here anything from them, but I don't think you could keep it secret for that long from all the various sources out there."

    This year is the same pattern as the previous 4-Runner release back in 1996. There was no information and the dealers were all saying that it would be another year or two with that model.. And then, the current generation just appeared on the dealer lots one day.
  • Hey guys, I looked through this whole 4 Runner forum and haven't read anything about who make the sound system for Toyota. Must not be a big name because Toyota would be mentioning it. I did read that I will be wanting to replace the speakers, which is cool because I was planning on doing that any way, but who make the sound system?
  • jf01jf01 Posts: 88
    I've seen many 4-cylinder 4Runners on the road (around the Pomona-West Covina, CA area). Usually they can be distinguished by a gray painted bumper or no trim badging. With the number that I've seen, I don't think that they were special order around here. They all seem to be 96-98 4Runners, because they don't have the 5 mph crash bumper in the front. Were there 4-cylinders in 99 and 00 (I know not in 01)? If so, those probably had to be special ordered.
  • peter78peter78 Posts: 284
    The 2.7 liter 4 cylinder was cut in the 2001 year, at least in the states. I began looking for a SUV in 2000 and I had a chance to drive the 2.7 liter. It was smooth for such a large 4 cylinder and did OK around town. It wouldn't be so hot in passing situations. It has a reputation for being very reliable. When dealers advertise a low price on a 4Runner in the paper, it would turn out to be the 4 cylinder.
  • dbeck2dbeck2 Posts: 4
    Does anyone know if the terms of customer cash
    incentives are negotiable? Specifically, has
    anyone gotten the $1,000. rebate with a 72 month
    loan? It's supposed to be 60 month max, but I
    wondered if this is set in stone and out of
    the dealer's control.
  • rward99rward99 Posts: 185
    OK, I just got back from the video of the Jan 11 presentation by Jim Press, EVP of Toyota Motor Sales. I listened closely for his exact words. When asked about the release of the new 4Runner his exact words were "next fall". At the original "live" presentation most of us interested in the new model took that to mean fall of next year ('03), but listening to it again it sounds like fall of '02' which is the 2003 and not the 2004 model year. Unfortunately, no one pressed him for a clarification.

    He also said that you would need to buy 8 spark plugs instead of six (his words), the interior styling would be more like a 'sports car' (his words), and that there would be a new 4 wheel drive system with "downhill braking" (his words). He also stated that it would be wider than previous models. No mention of a 3rd seat. Several people said that the new version was a copy of the Mistsubi Montero, if that gives you any idea of what it looked like.

    So now I'm more excited. It appears that there is an excellent chance (especially with Cliffy's confirmation) that it will be fall of this year for the new model of 4Runner.
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    Buzzlight, you still haven't disclosed your source of information for a March release.
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  • Awesome !!!

    Exactly what I was hoping for: 8 cylinders, sportier interior design, and I love the way the Montero looks so I am sure I will have no complaints for the exterior.

    Downhill braking system will be a great feature, it's on the Range Rover line of vehicles (even the new FreeLander) and I am glad to hear Toyota is bringing its system to the 4Runner!!

    Let's add all this up: Downhill braking system, traction control & vehicle skid control, and brake assist. Seems to me this will be THE MOST techno advanced vehicle this side of 60k !!

    Hope all this turns out to be the case....this is the most credible evidence I have heard!!

    Thanks for the information!!
  • peter78peter78 Posts: 284
    IF you make the assumption that the new 4Runner will be based on the new Lexus GX 470, you can then compare the Montero with the GX 470. AND you know, they do look similar, the small windows, large tail. The front is different. THEN I noticed that the specs, such as wheelbase and length are almost exact on the GX 470 and Montero. SO you may be right about the new 4Runner looking like the Montero. THANKS for the info. I just hope the new 4Runner doesn't flip over like ...
  • What were the horsepower ratings on the 4 cyl. engines used from say 1990-1999? Any one know? Thanks.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    The only spy photos of the 2002 Camry was on a Japanese language site. Toyota did I good job of keeping it under wraps.

    The '96 Runner was pretty secretive as well, but they didn't just appear on our lots one day. In fact, we had driven them a few weeks prior to their release in a "ride and drive". We knew the exact day off arrival about 3 weeks out.
  • peter78peter78 Posts: 284
    In 1990 the second generation came out with a 2.4 liter, 116 HP and 140 ft/lbs torque. In 1996 the third generation came out with a 2.7 liter, 150 HP, 177 ft/lbs torque. Both models can tow 3,500 pounds. Toyota still makes the 2.7 liter for other countries.
    And if you read the last few posts, no one really knows when the fourth generation 4Runner is coming out. :)
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    The rebate isn't tied to a finance term. There is a 4.9% APR for 60 months, but if you take that, you don't get the rebate. The rebate applies to any term (including paying cash) as long as you don't take the special finance rates.
  • I just talked to my local Toyota Dealer (Toyota of Roswell in Roswell, GA ) and a sales rep told me that the new 4 Runners will be out in 4 weeks. Now, I don't believe that....End of march is conceivable, but the middle of February is ridiculous.
  • Thanks for the 4 cyl. info.
  • Sorry, to ask more 4 banger questions, but I really am researching! Will be purchasing a 96 or newer 4runner, probably 2WD auto, and want to know the difference in gas mileage for the 2 available engines. Thanks.
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