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Toyota 4Runner



  • rogers12rogers12 Posts: 140
    For the first time in my memory, I got an example of the sulfur smell from a vehicle. I had a V8 Sequoia stink on me when I was behind it at a stop light. Ewww. That was nasty, for all of a second. I followed it for a while and it never happened again. Strange. Sounds like a good tailgater weapon. :)

    Wouldn't stop me from buying one though...
    I was looking at 2003s with the cladding at my local dealer. He had a V6 SR5 and V8 SR5 left, both with cladding. They both had JBL, moonroof, side air bags. Stickers were around $34K. I wonder what a good price would be for them... Any opinions? I'm not too far from Cliffy1.
  • likalarlikalar Posts: 108
    <<Stickers were around $34K. I wonder what a good price would be for them... Any opinions?>>

     I know all this is very regional, but....The ads in the recent Sunday papers here (Northern CA) have dealers listing new '03 4Runners at $5000 off factory sticker. One ad claimed they had one available at $5600 off MSRP. Mine was $5000 off MSRP, which included a $1000 Toyota rebate on '03 trucks. Sure, you give up color choices, etc. but there are still some good deals left out there. Good luck.
  • jaredmsdjaredmsd Posts: 127
    Thanks for putting me in my place, even though I was only joking about the spelling error. Tidester, I was hoping no one would catch my typo b/c I noticed it after I posted it. Haha, all in good fun.
  • martin45: You sign off with 'peace' after a tirade like that? My V8, build date 2/03, smells just fine and the vehicle overall is fantastic!

    Wouldn't trade it for anything on the market.

    Looks like you lost BIG money, not us.
  • jaredmsdjaredmsd Posts: 127
    In regards to your comment martin, there actually hasn't been much talk about the sulfur smell here in a little while now. One person just asked about it on their 2004, but other than that it's been quiet for a while (much to your dismay I'm sure).

    Like we said months ago to you when you were constantly flooding this message board with your disgruntled messages, get over it. You said your peace probably a 1000 times now. Once again, it's kind of ridiculous for you to call this vehicle a piece of crap, when so far the problems have been minor problems that have are accepted by most for first year designs, except for the sulfur smell of course. Granted that problem is big for many people, but to label the whole truck a piece of crap is just ignorant. That problem is again the result of an emissions system which is rated a ULEV and its catalytic converter. With high sulfur contents, you will have some problems with smell, that's life, but I think on the whole, their decision to make this vehicle a ULEV was a good one. That's my .02. I don't wish to start another flame war, but I just didn't want martin's constant barrage to start up again.

  • rogers12rogers12 Posts: 140
    Were these quotes for cladded or painted vehicles? I am hoping to do much better on a cladded vehicle. I half kiddlingly offered a roving salesman $27k for the V8. He seriously doubted that was resonable, but I pointed out that they are loosing money on these vehicles every month they sit here (and they have been there for a while, no doubt).

    PS, the V8 was a dark grey and looked really sharp, if you can get past the cladding. :)
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    I have the 03 Sport in Titanium with the gray plastic cladding. That makes it extremely rare and is much sought after by collectors of exotic vehicles. I believe one similar to mine was recently auctioned at Sotheby's for a substantial amount.
  • Do you know if the 4Runner recently auctioned had the the smell problem? If it did, the collectors may put it next to the Ford Pinto they purchased a few years back.

  • toyboxxtoyboxx Posts: 150
    I just bought an '03 V8 Sport in silver with the roof, 6 disc and other minor stuff for $29,400. The sticker was $35,363. That's $6,000 off!! I think I scored a pretty good deal. BTW it has the cladding unpainted and doesn't have the smell. Silver is one of the colors that I don't mind the cladding on, black is the other one.
  • toyboxxtoyboxx Posts: 150
    Hi all! I am new to the hall and have a few questions.

    First off I am a long time Toyota owner and have owned many different Toyota cars and trucks.. Just recently I traded in my '97 4Runner in on a '03 Sport V8 and got it for 6k off the sticker price ($29,400)

    My questions are:

    One of the few options that I didn't get that I wanted was the side airbags. Can I get these afterwards? I think they are in the seats so maybe it is something that can be done. And in my experience Toyota wires the cars for everything even if you don't get an option you can usually get it and just plug it in.

    Also I would love to have a dog barrier made out of stuff like the cargo net. I have a metal one that uses pressure to mount but I don't want to put the marks on the floor and headliner. Plus it is noisy and not really easy to remove and store if I need to. I see alot of other suv's with this type of barrier lately like the Volvo. Any idea on where to get something like that?
  • I would never purchase a domestic over a Toyota 4runner. I'll take my chances with a Toyota. A true player.. always plays the odds.
    I'm also losing faith in Consumer Reports. They now reccomend the Ford Focus. This car has more recalls than Gray Davis.
    I love my 04' 4runner with a third seat.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Somebody in this area still has 2003s? That should be telling you something about the ability of that dealer to... make deals. If they had the gray cladding, there is $1400 in dealer incentive money. If not but it is still a 2003, there is $700 coming back. Considering you are getting a year old vehicle, you need to aim pretty low. Without getting into specifics, there is about $3500 mark-up between invoice and sticker. Take another $1400 for the incentive, then another $600 or so worth of hold-back and then see if they are willing to take a net-net looser to get rid of a "lot rock."

    For those of you who know me, you know this is not my typical answer. I believe in paying for value and I firmly believe the Runners have more value than the price they normally command. Further, I normally don't get into holdback or "cost" for a variety of reasons. The fact that this dealership still has 2003s laying around tells me the dealer is not on the ball and most likely is not the type of place I would patronize were I a consumer. With that assumption, I say go for blood.
  • Thanks to everyone who responded about the door grips. I think its a little odd that some come with and others without the handles. The next question I have is whether the lights that are in the rear bumper of the truck are in fact lights or are they just reflectors?
  • My original Post #8318
    I should have clarified my reason for asking it.
    I live in sunny Southern California.
    A set of snow tire wouldn't be very cost effective when I have to drive 75 to 100 miles just to get to the snow.
    For recreational (emergency) purpose of owning snow chains.
    Should I go down to the local Pep Boys or K Mart and buy the stuff they have off the shelf.
    Has anyone used chains on their 4Runner they could recommend.

    Much Thanks
  • rogers12rogers12 Posts: 140
    I'm in Rockville, MD. Maybe out of your area a bit. This dealer is great for used vehicles in that they have a large selection of very new to older Toyotas. I bought my current 4Runner there (2000 SR5). Never bought a new vehicle there.

    For a $34K truck, sounds like I was not too far off when I offered $27K. I will keep an eye on them. Like I told the salesman, they don't seem to be going anywhere quickly. :)

    Actually, they had three 2003s. Two with cladding SR5 V6 silver and SR5 V8 dark grey. Both SR5s were loaded. Another Limited V6 was "used" and they claim was driven by a manager - a gold Limited V6 (with no cladding of course). Salesman claimed the Limited had 5K miles or more on it. He was pushing me toward the used Limited for some reason.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I'll bet he has a spiff for selling the Limited. In VA, it isn't "used" unless it has been titled or if it has been "transferred" to more than 5 dealers. In MD, it is used if it has more than a certain number of miles, even it it has never been titled. These are called demos here and it is normal for a dealer to offer bonuses to the salesman who sells it. Typically $250 to $500 is what is offered, but I've seen them as high as $1000. That is likely the reason for the push to the Limited.
  • rogers12rogers12 Posts: 140
    One thing that bothers me is that both the new vehicles had the sticker removed. The grey V8 had is sitting on the seat. The V6 didn't even have a sticker in the interior of the vehicle. Not only does this give me pause about the history of the vehicles, but in the case of the V6, it is difficult to tell the installed options.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    That most likely means they have "prior use" statement. That means they were purchased once and returned, usually due to financing problems. If they are new vehciles, it is illegal to sell them without the Monroney label. If you want to get the price down, ask them how much the fine is from the FTC for not having this. IIRC, its about $10,000.
  • likalarlikalar Posts: 108
    you asked:<<Were these quotes for cladded or painted vehicles? I am hoping to do much better on a cladded vehicle.>>

    One dealer (the one I bought from) offered $5000 off on all the '03 V8 4Runners. Some of those were clad, some weren't. I chose a factory painted one. He even had a brand new blue truck that had the cladding painted locally to match the body color. The giveaway was that the fender cladding is of a different shape (it has brawmy "bumps" around the wheel wells) than the factory painted trucks. It still hadn't sold, though. Good luck.
  • Does anyone know what CR actually found wrong with the 4Runner v6?
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