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Toyota 4Runner



  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 39,049
    That's about what my 17' open canoe weighs so yours is pretty typical.

    Think of the Boatloader as a small pipe inside a bigger pipe. You slide the smaller pipe out and rest an end of the boat on it as you horse the boat up on top of the racks. This keeps your gunnels off the paint on the back of the SUV, hopefully.

    I usually drag my canoe to the rear of the minivan when I load mine, and grab it near the bow or stern and lift and roll it up and onto the rear crossbars. Then I slide it forward from the rear of the van. Sometimes it's easier to do that than try to lift it that high with two people.

    Maybe if you flipped the boat over as you load it the wheels will be off the ground?

    Steve, Host
  • beercoll1beercoll1 Posts: 88
    My 2003 Sport edition V8 also has the parking lights option.
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    Thule makes a similar product called Outrigger 2.
  • atoyot4ratoyot4r Posts: 1
    Ideas as to where the fuel pump wire harness is located on a 1993? I need to disconnect to depressurize. thanks.
  • johnny5johnny5 Posts: 13
    No problem about the groceries :) I used to have a '95 Mitsubishi Diamante and loaded my kayaks (Wilderness Systems 16' tandem Pamlico and a 12' Pungo) using a Wheel Boy and a piece of carpet over the back trunk deck. Once I lifted one end of the kayak onto the trunk, I just slid it all the way up over the carpet and into the saddles in one smooth motion.

    The Highlander is much taller and I don't want to take the chance of scratching the hood, since I don't think you could load over the rear spoiler. To answer your questions:

    Is it just an extension on the load bar? Yes, it fits inside the crossbar and slides out and locks in place.

    Therefore you would have to lift one end of the boat the height of the load bar, or does it somehow dip lower then the load bar? You have to lift one end to the height of the load bar and let it rest there at an angle. It's possible to do this if you lay your kayak next to your car with the end about 2 feet past the position of the crossbar. Then lift it into place.

    Once on the Boatloader I assume you rest it there, or is there something that holds it there? Then move down to the other end of the boat and lift and slide. Is that basically it? Nothing holds it in place, so take care not to let the other end (the end still on the ground) slide out from under you. If that happens, then the propped up end will slide off the boatloader bar and scratch your car.

    My boats are about 85 and 50 lbs. When I go with my son it's easier. When I go out by myself, I use the smaller boat. I'm thinking of a way to load from the front that would keep the car from getting scratched. I'll let you know if I find a better way. If you want, I could email you photos of the sequence involved in loading and unloading. Check out the following links and good luck. Go to Products - Water - Water Accessories and chose boatloader.

    Also, I just checked out the Thule web site and noticed that they have a new product that might be just what you need called the Hullivator.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    there isn't a fuse you can pull to accomplish the same thing? Or what did I miss here?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ellemellem Posts: 7
    Hi everyone,

    I'm new to the forums here at Edmunds so please forgive me and correct me if I'm posting incorrectly. ;)

    A month ago I bought a SR5 4Runner. We own 2 other 4wheel drives - a 2002 Explorer and a 1997 Jeep Cherokee with 140,000 miles that I just gave to my 16 year old newly driving daughter to drive. Anyway, I've read through a lot of the posts and noticed that my only complaints are basically some of the notorious ones that others have. I can't seem to get comfortable in the driver's seat. When I'm back far enough to give my legs room my arms seem too far away from the steering wheel. Weird that. Next time I'll upgrade just for the telescoping wheel. Also, I'm one of the lucky ones with the steering wheel vibration. Yes, in a 2005.

    Two weeks ago, I drove about 2 hours up into the Pennsylvania mountains. All on the interstate. Being new, the vehicle had about 400 miles on it. The vibration comes on at about 62 mpg and disappears at about 68. I'll tell you, this tends to drive you crazy when driving on the highway for any length of time. It lead me to search out a forum like this to see what other owners had to say and to see if I was losing my mind. I saw today that Toyota FINALLY is recalling some vehicles with suspension problems (scratched ball joint?) and said it affects the steering. The 2004 4Runners will be under the recall but I didn't see anything about 2005. Does anyone know if this recall has anything to do with the cause of the vibration?

    Any thoughts appreciated.

    Kind regards,

  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    No, the recall does not affect the 4th generation 4Runner and the defect does not involve vibration. According to the Detroit News and Detroit Free Press, the recall covers only 2001-2002 4Runners (along with 2001-2004 Tacomas, 2002-2004 Tundras, 2002-2004 Sequoias). The 2003, 2004, and 2005 4Runners are not affected.

    Whatever is causing your vibration is not due to this defect.

    I suggest that you do the following: 1) get your wheels balanced on a Hunter balancing machine, 2) have the wheels and tires checked for out of round, 3) get a 4 wheel alignment.
  • bvanhoffbvanhoff Posts: 1
    I'm a 6'6" guy and I fit pretty well in my wife's 4runner. We purchased the SR5 4x4 in 2003 with a sunroof. It's pretty much the same model that's available now. I mention the sunroof because with the sun-shade for the roof open I fit in fine. With the shade closed I can feel my head touching the ceiling. I'm told that the Sport and Limited models have less headroom (not sure why). I test-drove a limited and didn't note that headroom was a problem. I sit with the seat reclined a bit more than the usual driver, so I'm sure that this gives me a bit more headroom than if you prefer driving closer to the steering wheel. Overall our 4runner has been incredible. We've only had minor problems with the sunroof motor which they promptly replaced.

    good luck
  • jkdjkd Posts: 3
    Has anyone had experience with adding a hypertech chip to 2004 4runner (V8)?
  • nymomnymom Posts: 17
    I have been looking at possibly purchasing the2005 4Runner but have not read very much about the optional third row. Was wondering about the room back there. Is it just enough for children or could an average size adult fit back there. Any opinions on the third row would be appreciated.
  • hartsharts Posts: 2
    If anyone has a 2005 4Runner, please let me know if both the words Passenger and Airbag are illuminated in orange when you turn on your park lights or headlights. Right now only the work Airbag will illuminate. However, I thought both words illuminated when I purchased the vehicle. Please let me know.

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  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    I'd be surprised if you can get a small child back there. Putting an average sized adult back there would seem to me to be cruel and unusual punishment.
  • ellemellem Posts: 7
    Hi nymom,

    I looked into that third row seat just last month when I bought my 2005 4Runner. I need extra seats occasionally when I'm hauling my teen's friends around. Basically, it's unusable. :( Maybe it's ok for small children or very small adults, like under 5ft tall and I'm not kidding. It's the head room that's the problem. The thing is, if your kids are small enough to fit back there then they may be required to be in a car seat or booster seat anyway. I'm not sure you can, or would want to, put a car seat in that third row. I think a lot of these 3rd row seat options on new vehicles are after thoughts.
  • ellemellem Posts: 7
    Lol, how true! I'm only 5'5" and I couldn't sit without being hunched over.
  • ellemellem Posts: 7
    Well thank you, I think. I came here to get my facts straight. ;)

    I looked at several websites, including Toyota's press releases, and the reason for the recall that is being reported is rather vague. Basically, it says that it is due to a scratched ball joint that can affect the steering, it doesn't specifically say how, or what the signs and symptoms are.

    Anyhoo, you're more or less saying my car came from the factory with out of balance (actually, that's what it does feel like) tires, out of round wheels, and out of alignment? How nice. At less than 500 miles. I can tell the dealer is gonna love me already.

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Out of round tires are rare, but they do happen, and there is no way Toyota could know that problem existed when they shipped the truck. As for alignment, these vehicles get strapped to a car carrier, and in the case of the 4Runner, strapped to the deck of a ship for a while too. It is fairly common for a vehicle to be delivered out of alignment, I only wish they would check alignment as part of the pre-purchase prep at the dealer.

    The problem with the scratched ball joint is said to cause difficulty in steering, and is not expected to be an immediate problem, but rather one that would cause excessive wear down the line. They have only found six problem trucks as of the press release.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ellemellem Posts: 7

    Thanks for the info about the car carriers. I haven't talked to the dealer yet, but at least I'll have some good info to start from when I call. It makes sense, too, and shouldn't be a big problem for them to handle in the grand scheme of things.

    As I read through many of the posts in this section I got the impression that a lot of people have this steering vibration problem and aren't getting much success in resolving the problem because the dealers can't seem to pinpoint it. Wonder if they've figured it out by now?

    Again, thanks so much.
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787

    No, I'm not saying that your truck came from the factory with out of balance tires, and out of round wheels, and was out of alignment. What I'm saying is that any one of those might cause the problem (though most likely out of balance). If they check the balance of the tires (hopefully with a Hunter machine) they can check out of round at the same time. Alignment is a separate check, but not big deal to do. I'm not saying that I know exactly what the problem is. I don't. I'm suggesting that if I was in your situation, that is what I'd try first.

    I agree with nippononly about the ball joint -- that's an issue that causes wear over time and could cause difficulty steering. Nothing in the description of the problem suggested that it would cause vibration. As your truck only has 500 miles, even if it did have the problem it likely would not have caused symptoms that soon. Furthermore, the recall covers the 2001 and 2002 4Runners -- that's the previous generation of 4Runner which is a completely different truck. If the same problem affected the 2003-2005 4Runner, then I'm sure they would have been recalled as well.

    In summary, your truck doesn't have the ball joint problem. If it did, it likely would not be causing noticeable symptoms this soon. And if it did cause symptoms this soon, it wouldn't cause the symptoms that you are experiencing.

    I understand your frustration with having problems with a brand-new truck. But I think this should be easy to solve.
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