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Toyota 4Runner

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  • woodywwwoodyww Posts: 1,797
    That's what they don't tell people--a RWD Mercedes (or whatever) with great snow tires can be better in the snow than a lot of AWD vehicles with the standard tires. I knew someone who slid into the car in front of her--in a snowstorm--with an AWD Subaru, & did a lot of damage. My suggestion to get snow tires was dismissed totally.

    I think I'm gonna go to Lexington Toyota & drive a RAV4, 4Runner, & maybe a Taco. Of course, a surburban wuss like me should probably get a RAV, esp. with gas prices what they are. Maybe I could justify getting a real 4wd truck with my sort-of-plans to move to Maine.....& see if Toyota puts a $3K rebate on the 4Runner to blow out the '06's.....:-)

    *my 4Runner had excellent traction for acceleration in the snow, the OEM Dunlops completely sucked for braking and cornering in the snow*
  • jeffer3jeffer3 Posts: 22
    I am jealous. I recently purchased an '06 Subaru Outback in Feb. I've got only just over 2k mi. on it. My best mileage per tank is 19.5 mpg. This is just driving back and forth to work. I haven't taken any long highway trips yet so I better get better mileage but my commute is fairly inocuous and I start work at noon so I don't hit lots of traffic.
    I had seriously considered a 4runner but choose the OB because it was a few thousand $$ cheaper and I thought I'd save some money on gas too. But as it looks now the gas savings probably won't be more then a couple hundred a year. And to tell the truth I'm a little cramped in this thing. Wish I had sprung for the 4R, I think I'd be much happier.
    I don't know if I'd take a bath trading in at this point. Another thought I had - does anyone think the new engine in the Camry would eventually make it to the 4R? It's got 268 hp and gets up to 31 mpg's. Of course 4WD would cut that down but I was thinking if Toyota was going to do anything with the engine in the 4R to make it a little more economical.
    thanks
    Jeffer3
  • jmtreetopjmtreetop Posts: 130
    I had an 05 Outback and never got over 19 mpg on the 4 cyl. turbo w/ 5spd. It also took premium because of the turbo. I was also a little cramped but ultimately got rid of it because of problems and a multitude of trips to the dealer. I do not regret my switch to the 4runner as I like the overall handling, quality, power, and space. I have 25k on my 4runner. I had 12000 on the OB when I traded.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    The Camry's V-6 is a smaller version of the 4Runner's V-6, which is already the smallest engine, so no, I don't think it's likely the Camry V-6 will make it to the 4Runner.

    If they ever make a serious attempt to get the Runner's fuel economy above the dismal range, I am convinced it will be with a hybrid powertrain. They have promised eventual hybrid versions of everything in their line-up after all.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • biglatkabiglatka Posts: 78
    The name of the game in a serious SUV is torque and Toyota's 4.7L V8 is a bulletproof engine. Why tamper with success other than improve on it. My 4WD V8 SE gets 15-20 honest mpg, city/highway, depending on traffic conditions. I've never gotten less than 15 mpg and was able to achieve 20 mpg at a constant 65-70 mph. That's pretty good for this type of vehicle. What other vehicle with similar size, weight and engine could tow 7000 lbs. I'm happy with it.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "My 4WD V8 SE gets 15-20 honest mpg, city/highway, depending on traffic conditions. I've never gotten less than 15 mpg and was able to achieve 20 mpg at a constant 65-70 mph."

    I know you can get 20mpg at a constant 65mph. My wife's 2WD '05 Sport (V8) doesn't achieve more than 14 in the city. This may have something to do with our "special blend" of gas here in Southern California.

    It will tow our 4,500lb. 21 foot trailer w/o any problems.
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    No, I doubt the Camry engine will make it into the 4Runner. A truck needs torque for towing, so the engine performance profile for a truck is significantly different than that for a car.

    What may make it into the 4Runner is a 3.0l diesel.
  • ghoshghosh Posts: 17
    Chuck:
    Long time lurker, first time poster. Is it really necessary to call somebody a liar if your experience does not match with his or her's? There are so many variables. I am really amazed that you chose to drive bt away by constantly questioning him. We need more participants, not less. Just my 2C. You will not hear from me again.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Long time lurker, first time poster.

    It's easy to forget: ghosh, "Toyota 4Runner" #10370, 24 Dec 2004 7:13 am!keywords=

    I don't think Chuck was calling anyone a liar but he was expressing skepticism. And we can't be all that certain that bt won't/hasn't returned. :)

    tidester, host
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    I did not call anybody any names. It always amazes at claims of miles-per-gallon that people make. Some people make claims about their vehicles that they can't technological achieve.

    Can you get a "good fluke" tank? Yes, if someone tells me that got 25mpg in a V8 4Runner while on the open road,not running the air conditioner, with over-inflated tires, going down hill, with a tail wind that is a different story.
  • jeffer3jeffer3 Posts: 22
    While I don't completely understand the relationship between horsepower and torque I do understand that more torque is better for pulling more load or pulling yourself out of a ditch. But from what I can see the new Camry engine has 268hp and 248 ft-lbs of torque. I'll bet that's way more than the earlier 4runners had. The current 4runner V6 has 236hp and 266 ft-lbs of torque. Now to me the difference between 248 and 266 doesn't seem like all that much.
    And in this day and age with global warming, green-house gases, wars and being beholding to foreign countries for our very livelyhood, and prices of gas in general, if you could squeeze a few more mpg's from an engine it seems it would be worth it.
    The Camry engine (in the Camry) is rated at 22/31 mpg's which I'm sure would reduce somewhat. But if you could put that engine or a similar one in the 4R and get even 19/25 I think that would be huge. I don't really need a mondo hauling vehicle. Just something to get me through a few feet of snow, or a little off road and carry all my camping gear, kayaks and bikes.
    Anyway thanks for the thoughtful replies.
    Jeffer3
  • biglatkabiglatka Posts: 78
    Jeffer3,
    The V6 4Runner is probably close to 1000lbs heavier than the Camry, it is 4WD (I know there is a 2WD model but you talked about snow and off road), and most importantly it has the aerodynamic shape of a brick on 4 wheels :D. Even if you don't tow, the 4Runner has to come with the ability to tow (5000 lbs for the V6 - 7000 lbs for the V8) because many do tow with their Runner. The rpm range where torque peaks is probably lower with the 4Runner engines (very important when under load) as opposed to the Camry's high revving engine. There are many factors that go into fuel mileage, including engine displacement. I'm sure Toyota designed the engines that go into 4Runners as the best compromise of fuel economy balanced off against the demands of a 4WD truck with great off road capability and sheer pulling power.
  • jeffer3jeffer3 Posts: 22
    biglatka- you make a lot of sense, thanks for helping me understand this better. I got a chuckle from your statement -

    "and most importantly it has the aerodynamic shape of a brick", :)
  • jmtreetopjmtreetop Posts: 130
    I filled up 2 days ago with 413.0 miles on my tank and filled up with 18.33 gallons of 85 octane from the same pump at the same gas station that I go to every week. That equates to 22.53 mpg. The computer stated 24.3 mpg avg. This is in line with what I typically get in my weekly commute. Again, this is with the V6 4X4. Even though the computer over-estimates, I still find it to be a good gauge of my mpg and I can still estimate if I'm in the 22 range, or 21 range, etc.
  • sacstate1sacstate1 Posts: 189
    I get 16-17mpg in easy city driving and 20-21mpg on the freeway at a steady 65-75mph. This is with full time 4WD and the V8. I have never used 87 octane, always using 89 or 93.

    The onboard computer is exactly 3mpg optimistic.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "20-21mpg on the freeway at a steady 65-75mph. This is with full time 4WD and the V8."

    That's fantastic! Your getting 1mpg more than the EPA RATED mpg highway at 21! Even with the V8 and lugging around the extra running gear for the 4WD! Going faster than 65mph!

    (WOW - that TAIL WIND MUST REALLY BE BLOWING!!)
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    "And in this day and age with global warming, green-house gases, wars and being beholding to foreign countries for our very livelyhood, and prices of gas in general, if you could squeeze a few more mpg's from an engine it seems it would be worth it."

    Which is exactly why we may see a diesel engine -- it will get 30% greater mileage than a similar power gas engine.

    Btw, peak torque values are not everything. What's most important is the torque curve. I'm willing to bet that at low RPM the 4.0 V6 has more torque than the Camry motor.
  • canddmeyercanddmeyer Posts: 382
    Since putting Revo's on my 2003 V6 4Runner, I can't do any better than 16.6MPG in mixed driving, and I have to run 89 octane or higher as mine pings on 87 octane. Honestly though, the MPG, which is very acceptable, doesn't bother me as much as the road noise and choppy ride with the base SR5 suspension, neither of which improved when I got rid of my Dunlop's.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "doesn't bother me as much as the road noise and choppy ride with the base SR5 suspension, neither of which improved when I got rid of my Dunlop's."

    The only thing that will help the ride (other than changing suspension, is a passenger car tire. I know in the stock size there are not any (passenger) tires for the 4Runner. The Revos, while an excellent tire, will not help the ride.
  • I noticed today when washing my 2006 4Runner that it had louvers exposing the wire on the fog lamps and I could see the ground through my fender well. What on earth is the purpose of these louvers? What are the engineers thinking on this design?
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