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  • I live in the Dallas Fort Worth area and the Discount tire by my home charges for tire rotations and to plug tires. Now i know it was once free and i used the service but was told they had a liability issue and now are charging for the service...this is for tires not purchased at their store...i think its still free if the tires were purchased from them...
  • keatskeats Posts: 412
    I use a Gemini Tire Store, there it's free if you bought them there, and they charge you the first time on tires that you didn't buy there and it's free after that. Same with balancing, pay for it once and that's it.
  • greddengredden Posts: 30
    I am trying to decide on a new set of tires. I have a 2" lift on my Sahara. I'm looking at the BFGoodrich Mud-Terrain T/A KM and the Firestone Destination M/T. What do you think of these choices? Any suggestions?


  • My 4 banger gets almost 25 mpg on the highway, and they are cheaper to buy then the 6 cyl jeeps. Oil change can be cheaper, too.
    Of course, it's not even close to the Honda hybrid cars w/ 50 mpg; but there are few things better than cruising in a jeep w/ the top down on a summer day...AC/DC blasting from the radio (Hells Bells!!!)...I can hardly wait... :D
  • Greg,

    I recently bought 5 bfg mt's, and I LOVE THEM!!!

    While I've only had them for two weeks, I am very pleased with my decision. If you research the tires, you will often hear that they are not that great in wet/slippery conditions, but I have driven in heavy rain, snow, slush and freezing rain (yes, all in two weeks ;) ), and have had no problems whatsoever (sadly, no mud yet :( ) The tires are a little louder than a normal passenger tire, but if I was concerned with noise, I likely would not be a jeep owner. Additionally, these tires are arguably the best looking on the market, and are supposed to be very durable.
    Tom's had his for quite a while, so perhaps he'll chirp in with some of his own experiences; he's very knowledgeable, and will give you his HONEST opinion, which will weigh more than mine considering I've only had them two weeks. Nonetheless, I am very glad I went the BFG MT route.

    Hope this helps,

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,952
    Do you see the guy waving in your rear view mirror? Is he gaining?

    Karl on Cars

    Here's a comparision topic to talk about the pros and cons:

    "Toyota FJ Cruiser vs. Jeep Wrangler"

    Steve, Host
  • yjbobyjbob Posts: 56
    I have experience similar to birdjaguar - around 24 mpg highway also with a 4 cylinder 2.5L OHV motor and manual transmission in my 1995 YJ Wrangler SE (same as the 4 cylinder motor in the 97-2003 TJ). I drive conservatively - the 2.5 L likes to turn 2,500 rpm which translates to about 58 MPH with the standard 4.10:1 axle ratios - plenty fast enough for a short wheelbase (SWB) Jeep. (Remember, the original WWII MB jeep maximum speed was 60 MPH.)

    The difference between 20 mpg (most jeeps) and 30 mpg (Lancer or similar sedan) amounts to only 17 gallons per 1,000 miles (50 gal @ 20 mpg vs. 33 gal. @ 30 mpg) which would cost about $50/1,000 miles (or a nickel per mile) if gas were $3.00/gallon. The difference in gas cost should not deter you.

    And you may enjoy your ride in the jeep much more than any other vehicle you have driven. You should ask Tom - before Thelma Jane, he would get bored with his ride after only a year and trade it in. Now (is it 4 years later?) he still likes his TJ. I have the same feeling for my YJ. There is no other vehicle that is more fun to drive slowly. All other vehicles are boring appliances - efficient but soulless. Jeeps are very mechanical - they remind you continuously of the connection between human and machine. You experience the trip and not just the desire to reach the destination.

    The Jeep thing is a little hard to explain - drive a TJ for a while to see if you like it - then decide whether to take the plunge or not. Whichever way you decide, good luck.
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    ......20 mpg (most jeeps)

    I'm sorry, but I really have to disagree with you there.

    Not even DC claims that!
  • gman1259gman1259 Posts: 209
    I got 20 mpg on a trip I took to deliver a piano to my in-laws in Modesto. That was during the first week after I purchased it. I have not seen that number since. Keep in mind that Jeep calibrates it speedometer to read faster then you are really going (mine was about 4+ MPH). Which I believe gives you a more optimistic fuel economy. :cry:
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Keep in mind that Jeep calibrates it speedometer to read faster then you are really going (mine was about 4+ MPH).

    Which is just one of the reasons why I'll never call someone on their personal mileage claim. However, anyone purchasing an SE with the expectation of a consistent real 25mpg is likely to be disappointed.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735

    You will find that the choice of tires depends on personal preference and what you plan to do. Out in California, I ran BFG AT/KO's and they did great for that terrain. I'm in Alabama now and wheel in Kentucky and this mud here turns my AT's into racing slicks. My plans are for Mud Terrains. I've been considering BFG MT's, Firestone Destination M/T's, and the Bridgestone Dueller MT's.

    If you are only driving it on the road, the AT's would probably last longer and end up being quieter. My AT's have about 18,000 miles on them and are still very quiet - considering I drive w/o doors or top when I can and I AM driving a brick on wheels.

    31" tires would look nice on a 2" lift. That is what Tom (tsjay) has and his Jeep looks (and runs great) both on an offroad.

    Given your choices (which I just reread), you might want to look at and see how they compare in each area. The Destinations actually rate quite well, so it may just boil down to price.

    Keep in mind, if you are swapping tires, you need to really purchase 5 tires so your spare is the matching size.

  • wpowellwpowell Posts: 125
    Another popular choice, although I have never seen them mentioned here, is the Trxus MT's. As I look to go to 33's, my own online research suggests that many folks who have had these and BFG's really prefer the Trxus. While they don't seem to wear quite as well, they are apparently MUCH quieter than most other MT's. And, they seem to perform well in mud, snow and rocks and have a lot of siping in the lugs. Here is a link:
    Trxus MT's

    Any real world feedback on these tires?
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    They are also a pain to balance properly. I've seen multiple reports of people having to get them balanced multiple times.

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591

    It was five years ago that I took delivery on Thelma Jane. She was a factory order, and she arrived at the dealership on December 8, 2000. I took off early that day, after getting the call from the dealership to inform me that "Thelma Jane" had arrived. They knew that I was calling her Thelma Jane, so the salesman used her name when he told me she was in.

    And you are absolutely correct. In the past, I would buy a new vehicle that I was so hopped up over, but after the first six months, I would be dying to buy something else. Thelma Jane cured me of that. I am not the least bit interested in trading her for ANYTHING.

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • 99tj99tj Posts: 187
    Am I the only one not that impressed with the looks of the new FJ? Karl might be dead on with his review and his statement that the FJ is more capable than the Wrangler, BUT I couldn't see loving the looks of it years down the road, the same way I do my Wrangler. I think Tom says it best:
    "In the past, I would buy a new vehicle that I was so hopped up over, but after the first six months, I would be dying to buy something else. Thelma Jane cured me of that. I am not the least bit interested in trading her for ANYTHING"
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I have been extremely satisfied with the performance of my BFG Muds on the trails. The give excellent traction.

    Their weakness in offroading is their thin sidewalls, which can be ripped by a sharp rock or a sharp tree root (ask me how I know).

    I have had two sets of BFG Muds on Thelma Jane, but because of the sidewall issue, I might be tempted to consider something else next time. (MIGHT. But, will probably end up with BFG Muds again.)

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    It was four months ago, September 19, 2005, that I said goodbye to my soulmate and best friend, Ross Allen.

    I still cry almost every day over him. The last three days, I have cried in my office at work for short periods.

    Look what a wonderful, kind artist lady in Australia made for me after visiting Ross Allen's website! She is a pet artist by trade, and she made this for me free of charge, just because she was so touched by Ross Allen's website.


    By the way, Hank is doing fine, and we are becoming very good friends. That doen't keep me from grieving over Ross Allen, but at least he does bring some joy into my life.

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?

    Ross Allen's website..
  • angierangier Posts: 1
    I just got diagnosed with a cracked manifold on my 97 Jeep TJ 4.0L and they are going to charge me $850+. That may be because I am a girl. But I am reading these forums & hear that it can crack again. I am on a tight budget & worried about this happening again. My Jeep runs very poorly right now if I take it on the freeway and I need to get this fixed very soon. Any advice? :cry:
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    It's a common problem. So common that there's a thriving market in manufacturing aftermarket manifolds, which are replicas of the one brought out by DC to solve the cracking problem.

    With a delivered price of less than $80, and a lifetime warranty, they're a sensible alternative to the original. Here's a pic and a link, just have a local independent shop fit it for you.


    91-99 Manifold
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    (ask me how I know).

    Um, how do you know this? ;)

    tidester, host
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