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  • Why are these NOT being offered on the Rubicom 2-door?
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    I don't know (I'm thinking you mean 18" wheels), but I'd guess that it relates to the availability of applicable tires with a suitable aspect ratio.

    Is there a reason that you'd particularly want 18" rims on a Rubicon?
  • I did mean 18" wheels which are offered as options on the 4X4 4-door models and the Sahara 2-door model. Seems a bit odd the higher priced Rubicom does not offer this option for those who would prefer it.
  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    Does anyone know where you can find colored anodized nuts for the doors, the ones you take on and off when you remove the steel doors? Mine are getting pretty ugly, the paint is in tatters.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Sorry, I replied to the wrong post!!! Sorry duck. You may be able to find those nuts from the dealer or perhaps (sells OEM stuff). Try this link:

    Jeeps Are Us anodized door nuts

    Honestly, putting 18" wheels on a Rubicon will do a few things for you:

    1. DRAMATICALLY increase the cost of tires that will go on them.
    2. DRAMATICALLY LIMIT the number of tire choices, especially in all terrain and mud terrain tires, the two primary tire types desired for a Rubicon.
    3. Affect your sidewall size when offroad. I know that sounds wierd, but it is true. Frequently, people air down when offroad to soften the tire a bit for better grip. It also makes the sidewall less stiff in the event a stick/root/rock/whatever wants to try and tear that sidewall. It'll tear a lot easier at full pressure. With the bigger wheels, your sidewall will invariably be shorter.

    15 or 16" wheels (16's being stock on the current 06 Rubicon) have a LOT of options available to them for offroad tires.

    18's would appeal more to the Jeep owners who will not wheel their Jeeps. Those that DO wheel them, especially Rubicons, will want something that doesn't limit their tire options.

  • I hear what you're saying erickpl, but with this "image thing" encapsulating the auto world today where looks are everything I'm surprised this option is limited. I'm sure there are tons of Wrangler owners who only version of "off-roading" is when they pull into their local gas station. As you stated, 18's would appeal more to the Jeep owners who will not wheel their Jeeps. That's my point. Many of these new Wranglers will be purchased as a "toy." Bought because of its fun appearance. That's why the new 4 door version arose. 18 wheels are just about the norm today in the N. American auto scene. One reason being they display the "sporty" perception. Most full size pickups now endorse a 20" wheel set up. Once again this "image" exposes itself.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Interestingly, my toy TJ runs on 15's and is quite happy. My street rides actually runs on 19's, but they are not Jeeps. :)

    I know the pickup world is embracing it. For street looks and to some measure, street performance/handling, the smaller sidewalls and bigger wheels help. So I can see SOME logic in that. However, offroad, the 15x8 or 15x10 wheels are still a smarter solution. It isn't as pretty on the street, but most who offroad don't really care about that 'sport image' or street cred. :)

    I've driven a Chevy Avalanche on 20's and it rode quite nice. It even had the Z71 package. But offroad, even in a muddy field, it would have been useless. :)

    I guess those who want to do it for the sporty image can go ahead and do it. If they want to look all sporty, that is fine and it should suit their needs and wants just fine. It is their choice and prerogative, just as it is for those who offroad and choose the setup that is best for THEIR needs and wants.

    I personally make mods when there is some benefit or value added for what I use it for. Image has never been part of it for me. If people think my Jeep looks aggressive, sporty, (insert adjective here), that's fine and I'll appreciate any comments I get, but ultimately it is what worked for me. Part of it is also an economic reasoning. I'm NOT going to pay even more for my 33x12.5's. They were about 150 each IIRC. A version that will wrap around 18's would be even more. No thanks. :)

    More power to anybody who wants to do that though!

  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    The simple and economic answer for anyone who prioritizes image over practicality (which they're perfectly entitled to do), is to purchase the model of their choice with 18" wheels and add the OE Rubicon decals to the hood.

    Voilà, a Wrangler with the external appearance of a Rubicon with OE 18" wheels, and at a significantly reduced price compared to the real thing. ;)
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    The recent posts on wheel and tire sizes caused me to check out Apparently a new mystery tire is available. The following is information that comes up when building a Rubicon.

    32" BFGoodrich MTR Tires
    New industry-exclusive BFGoodrich® Mud tires have more tread blocks with biting edges for foul weather and off-road traction.
    This option is included with your selections.

    Now, Rubicons have always used MT/Rs as a 31x16, so a 32x17 seems a reasonable next step. However, MT/Rs are a Goodyear tire and Goodyear have always supplied Wrangler OE tires, usually GSAs.

    So, BF Goodrich is hardly a slip of the finger for Goodyear. A search of the BFG site reveals no tire called an MT/R. I guess that the mystery will be resolved when the first Rubicons appear on the lots.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Mac, from what I've seen, the Rubicons do indeed have a new tire/tread from BFG. I'll if I can find a pic of it.

    Here's one I found...


    Guess the Saharas are running Bridgestone Dueler AT's


  • mcrrtmcrrt Posts: 88
    I read somewhere (JP mag, IIRC) that the new Rubicon tires are a 32" BFG Mud Terrain, but with an updated tread pattern that is currently unique to the Rubicon. I would have to imagine that the new tread pattern reflects an updated design that we'll be seeing soon available to the public. ;)
  • 32" BFGoodrich MTR Tires
    New industry-exclusive BFGoodrich® Mud tires have more tread blocks with biting edges for foul weather and off-road traction. This 32" wheel/tire set up is standard on the Rubicon 4/2-door models. They look pretty "beefy" to say the least. THANKS for the pics/info erickp. I want to buy a summer machine next spring. A Harley is out of the question for I lost my brother in May when a drunk driver swerved into his lane and hit him head on. He bought the bike a week prior after finishing his 2 year stint with the Peace Corp. Would not wish that scene on anybody.
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    I read somewhere (JP mag, IIRC) that the new Rubicon tires are a 32" BFG Mud Terrain, but with an updated tread pattern that is currently unique to the Rubicon.

    Which would explain why only 17" wheels are available.

    Guess the Saharas are running Bridgestone Dueler AT's

    Good pics erickpl. The Rubicon's tires certainly aren't an MT/R pattern, in fact it looks very much like a standard BFG MT. If the Duelers on the Sahara are on 18s I'm afraid I don't like the look. To me a low profile tire on an offroader just looks weird, and of course the sidewall won't flex too well either.
  • 4rider4rider Posts: 96
    From a off-road perspetive, tires, with taller sidewalls(hence smaller rims), when aired down provide better grips and cushion than those of lower profiled tires on larger rims. The smaller rim,is also less likely to get damaged when side slipping is unavoidable.

    The inherent conflicting appealing points for street vs off-road is understandable. However, making a wrangler more appleaing to street performance or look just doesnt make sense. There are enough crossovers can do the trick. Why tarnish Wrangler's off-road heritage.
  • 4rider4rider Posts: 96
    Like Paul points out, the cost and selection of the mud or a/t tires on lager rims are big issues too.
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  • Hi Tom,

    I'm so very sorry to hear about Gill. I hope his family is doing okay. What a shock to read through the posts and see that. So sad.

    Sorry I've been such a stranger around here. I've looked around from time to time - here and Gill's place. I still have my white Sahara. I'm seriously considering getting the 4 door one now. I'm bummed they don't have a white Sahara in 4 doors.

    I hope you're doing alright! How's the family?

    Saharagal (Laura)
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    The one thing I've always loved about the Wrangler is that it is so customizable. How many of us have bought a Wrangler and promptly replaced the OEM tires and/or rims (all right, I drove on the OEM tires until they needed to be replaced)? So it would make sense to offer OEM tires that middle of the road, and like those that need Muds, someone going for looks can buy their own 18s and have a real custom look.

    As long as our little vehicles are so versatile that it is easy to make changes, I'm happy.
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