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Jeep Wrangler



  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I have had all I can stand! I ain't gonna be happy until I get that Jeep. Tomorrow I'm going to place an add in the local paper to sell my Grand Prix. I'll get a conventional loan to pay off the difference in the selling price and the pay off amount.

    I have a hard time being rational about vehicles, so I need some good advice before I take the plunge.

    I'm not talking about financial advice, cause anyone with half a brain would tell me to keep that nice new Grand Prix I'm driving until I get the payoff way down closer to trade-in value or at least close to retail value. I will borrow from my 401K to get a down payment to cover part of my "upside down" trade-in allowance. Stupid?
    Yep. No argument.

    Now, the advice I really, really need is this: will I be sorry that I have a Wrangler Sport as my ONLY vehicle? I drive 27 miles one way to work five days a week on mostly four lane divided highway. I also have to take fairly frequent business trips up to 300 miles one way. ( I will need a lot of those trips and the mileage money I get from them to help pay for the Jeep ).

    Please refrain from telling me I'm stupid for thinking of trading with such a big deficit on my trade-in. Oh, go ahead and tell me that if you want to, but I won't listen. But I DO need honest opinions on having a Wrangler for my only means of transportation.


  • Well, my 2 cents. I just bought my Wrangler yesterday, and I admit I am sooo glad my fever was finally relieved. But I will admit, I had the Wrangler bug 3 years ago and was 1 year into an auto like you. I was slightly upside down, so I endured and waited until I was in positive equity. That happened recently, and it was worth the wait. Now I have my Wrangler, got a great deal, and have a loan that I won't be upside down on right from the start. My advice. Be patient. Don't make a financial mistake that you may regret.

    Aside from that, you may have another option. With all these loans and "big" payments you have been talking about, is it possible for you to hold on to your Grand Prix and also lease a Wrangler? Maybe the 4-banger, stripped, that you can get a really low payment and use it as a second recreation car only? Trust me, I love my Wrangler, but I would never want it as a long distance commuter.

    Just some thoughts...
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Thanks a bunch for your response.

    When you say you wouldn't want to drive long distances in your Sport, what exactly is it that you don't like about it as a vehicle for traveling? I test drove a new Sport at highway speeds, but it was just a couple miles. It seemed very steady and not at all hard to steer. It didn't want to wander all over the road. The ride wasn't bad, but the stretch of road I was on was pretty smooth. I can see only the lack of luggage space and security as potential problems, unless I just didn't take a long enough drive.

    Please tell me what you are concerned about.

    As far as leasing, that isn't a bad idea, except that I couldn't handle my Grand Prix payment AND a lease payment at the same time.

    I want to see a picture of your new Jeep! Email me one, if you have one. Once again, my friend, I am very happy for you and I hope you have the very best of luck with that Jeep.

    I really appreciate your help. I hope to hear from others also.

  • Well, My SE is my only car and I'm fine when driving for long stretches off time. The wind noise is the only annoying thing and can be taken care of by the cd player and sound bar. On the highway, mine does fine. No steering problems, etc. The gas milage and lack of luggage space would be the only thing that I'd be worried about for long trips such as yours. Hope that helped.
    -alee and sparx-
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    That's just the kind of info I am looking for. People who actually own a Wrangler for their only means of transportation, or who have at least taken some trips in their Wranglers, are the people I hope to hear from.

    Thanks a million.

  • my 2000 sport is my only vehicle

    i drive 15 miles each way six lane divided highway

    i have no problems with the ride or comfort

    and my jeep is really set-up for off-roading

    money-wise ... obviously you are not married ... or you would not be able to even consider the buying and selling of vehicles

    but, i look at it this way:
    you have to determine your needs and wants

    if you want a TJ ... too bad; you already have a new car - quit your whining ....

    if you need a TJ ... make it happen; better to make a mistake then to regret not doing wht you really want to ...

    Mike's $.02
  • I have a Y2KTJ in a concrete jungle. I live in North Dallas. I off road very little, but enjoy my jeep very much. I have taken long trips, 8-10 hours and have had no complaints. I have the soft top and it flaps, but if you crank the A/C it fills up the cabin and flaps less.
    I know the money thing is an issue, I traded a 98 Mustang in for my 2000 Jeep. Worth it?, yes. This puppy is my daily driver and I loves it. I have the 30in" wheel package and it is just fine off road. I am no crazy wheeler, not yet.
    The choice is up to you, but you do post more on Edmunds than any jeep owner I know.

    good luck

    P.S. take a look.
  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    I commute on my bike generally, so my Jeep gets driven either for fun, errands or the occasional road trip. For a commute <30 miles, it's tolerable, but I don't like taking long road trips in it particularly. Wind noise isn't too bad with the hard top but the engine droning and and stiff suspension can beat on you after an hour or so. I would not choose this as a vehicle for frequent business trips.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Thanks a lot to both of you for your input!

    This is exactly the stuff I am looking for. I know that the financial part of this makes no sense at all, but I just want to be sure that I'm not doubly stupid by getting so far in over my head and then ending up with a vehicle that is totally impractical for my needs.

    The responses are about three in favor and one against having a Wrangler for my only vehicle.

    As far as my frequent posting, I hope everyone will bear with me. I am the world's biggest Jeep-owner wannabe. I hope to join you guys as a fellow Jeep owner soon.

    Thanks to everyone for your patience with me, and for your thoughtful inputs. I guess that's one of the main reasons for a group like this.

    You guys are great! I will be proud to join you, if things work out.

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Thanks, Pal.

    I'll put you in the "Not in favor of a Wrangler as only means of transportation" column.

    That makes it three to two.

    Gee, I hope we don't end up having to have a recount!

  • vubs
    engaging and disengaging 4wd is easy. It takes a couple times to pick it up. Just follow the instructions in the manual.

    kevinvsr - Not all Jeep owners wave. Sometimes you will get a wave back and sometimes you won't.

    tsjay - Nice poem.
    I probably have told you, but my only concern is gas mileage and windy days on long road trips. The wind makes the top flop around a lot and makes it harder to drive whatever speed you want.
    You need to stick with the Grand Prix or the Jeep for a long time. You will have financial problems if you don't get the car loans under control. Borrowing from your 401k is probably the last place you want to borrow from. You will pay taxes twice on the same money and you have to pay it off right away if you quit or get laid off.
    Good Luck
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I think I have to put you in the "Wranglers are ok for only vehicle" column, based on your comments.

    That makes it four to two so far.

    I've just about decided on the hard top, so the flopping and noise won't be a factor.

    If I don't find somebody willing to deal realistically with me, I will have to forget the whole thing anyway. I just got offered auction price on the Grand Prix and no discount from sticker price on the new Sport from my local dealer. They can SHOVE it!

    Tex (or anyone else reading this), what should I realistically expect to pay for difference between my 2000 Grand Prix GT sedan and the new Wrangler?

    My car is a white four door with tan leather interior. It is absolutely spotless and has 19K miles on it. It was stickered at $24,225 when new. The new Wrangler was sticker priced at $23,870, the way I specced it out.

  • goducks is being a little harsh. The automatic in the Wrangler is not lame. Actually, there are many people with new manual Jeeps that wish they woulda got the automatic cause of all of the problems with them. While it is true that the 3 speed revs higher, there are many people that report similar gas mileage with the auto as those with the manual. I was a bit leary when I got my automatic. I got it cause my wife couldn't drive stick...and it was FREE. I have yet to hear one complaint about the durability of the manual compared to the hundreds of complaints I've heard about the manual.

  • My Jeep is my only vehicle, too and I have used my wrangler for commuting way more than 27 miles each way at times. It is a bit noisier, and will not be like driving your Grand Prix, but fun nonetheless. I feel no need to have an additional car. If you get the soft top only, it might be a bit much, but I have the dual tops and the hard top sure quiets things down.

    Good Luck.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Peterskm, thanks for your input!

    I am hearing from people with real experience in driving a Jeep for their full-time vehicle, and there's no substitute for that. People can speculate all they want, but you guys (and gals)who own a Jeep as your only vehicle or at least have experience in taking trips in one have valuable information for me, and you guys have been great about sharing it.


    That makes it five to two.

    I appreciate your taking the time to post your opinion, Peterskm.

  • tsjay -
    I have had my 2001 Sport for a little over a month now and 1,800 miles and I don't feel the need for another vehicle. I drive 25 miles each way to work on rural, curvy roads and I have no complaints. It doesn't handle like a Grand Prix, but that's to be expected. I have yet to take a long trip, so I can't comment on that, but I do not think it would be bad at all. As far as MPG, I have checked 3 tanks with an average of 18 MPG.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Thanks for the input, 2001.

    I remembered that you had posted a link to a picture of your Jeep, so I just looked at it again.

    She's a beauty! Must be nice. Maybe one of these days I'll have mine too. I really like those canyon wheels- that's what I want on mine.

    I'm still thinking white with a black top, but I sure wouldn't mind a steel blue like yours either. I also like silverstone. Black is nice too. I guess I like just about all the colors.

    If some dealer doesn't get serious with me, though, I'll be waiting a long time. I'm not going to give my Grand Prix away.

    Well, even though you haven't taken a long trip, you have a pretty good drive going to work, and, if you don't think a trip would be a problem, then I guess I have to count your vote as "Wranglers are ok as only vehicle."

    That's six to two.

    Hey, I appreciate everyone's input. I thank everyone who has expressed their opinion, whether positive or negative about a Jeep as the only vehicle.

  • I've had two jeeps so far an 86 Cj-7 and a 91 Wrangler I will be purchasing another soon. A TJ Wrangler if all goes well. I took the CJ on a five hour drive with out complaints. I drive the Wrangler back and forth to school so about four hours a week and then around town. It does just fine. I think it is fairly comfortable and handles fine. My only complaint would be the noise but that is to be expected. I have ridden in a 4cyl TJ. I can tell you highway driving with the 4 cylinder can be scary at times. Get the 6 it is an excellent engine. Also its no Caddy you will feel the road. Overall I'll always own a Jeep and so far they have been my only vehicle.
  • Anyone have any recommendations about what lift kit is the best for a TJ? I want to lift mine 4" and put some 33's under it. Right now I am considering the Rubicon Express and the Pro-Comp. Any input would be appreciated.
  • I am a second time Wrangler owner. I would reccomend this vehicle to a certain crowd. If you have kids.....forget it. If you can't take a little wind, or road noise don't bother. If you enjoy a powerful agile vehicle, this is your best bet. My first Jeep was a 1991 sport. Red with black tops. A rough ride, but an absolute workhorse. It had 90,000 miles on it when I bought it, and 130,000 when I sold it. She still ran like a champ. I didn't have one mechanical problem with it. I know Jeeps are meant to go offroad, eventhough I do it very rarely. But when I do go offroad, I know I am behind the wheel of the most capeable vehicle out there. Last spring I bought a 2000 Sahara Wrangler. Roll up windows are a must in my opinion. The plastic windows get scratched too easily. It is also less noise, because I drive it to school, and work everyday. If you need a car that is good on gas mileage this car is not for you. I get about 15 mpg on my five speed. The 97-2000 style Wranglers, are a suprising improvement over the 88-96 Jeeps. Its "almost" like a car inside, and the suspension is ten times better than the latter. I'am not saying it rides like a Ferrari, but it is still a "truck". (I hate when people call them trucks:)To any one considering getting a Wrangler, I would suggest the 6 cylinder engine, and a hardtop for the winter. Stay away from the yellow ones. Yellow is a sports car color, not a jeep color! I opted for the abs on my Wrangler, which means I couldn't get the 30 inch tire package. I got the "grizley" rim instead, keeping it somewhat original, because most people don't opt for those wheels. I am a "car nut", but will always have some kind of Jeep in my garage! I hope you learned something about my very opinioniated article!!
    Keep on Jeepin' Oh yeah-they rule in the snow!!!!
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