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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,408
    When are you going to take me wheeling in yours?

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  • Hey I didn't hardly get to drive...I was lucky that I was ready enough to take my driving test. I did great on the written...95%, but I was so nervous with the "prison guard" that rode with me and plus I was driving in a tank (an impala, that's when they were the size of a tank)...I got a 70% driving...just barely passing.

    I didn't get a car of my own til I was 20 or 21. Kids in high school driving their own car was a rare privilage that very few students were allowed to do. It was hard to get a parking permit unless you had a job to work...Anyway.

    As far as the smed part...whenever I would call my friend (the one that was really sick and in the hospital last year) they screen their calls with the answering machine and after the beep I said, "Hey, it's sme anybody home?" Ever since then...it just kinda stuck.

    ;)

    have a great day!

    sme Deb
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    The reason that kids didn't have cars when you were in high school is because cars hadn't been invented yet. :)

    Tom

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  • Tom,
    You are getting pretty darn brave when you start
    talking about a womans age. Better be careful :)

    dewars
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    Like the sme story - cute.

    While I didn't own a car until I was out of college and in the Army, I did have access to a car. With 3 cars and 3 drivers in the family I got the one with a stick and no air conditioning! My parents had originally bought it as an incentive for my older sister - either graduate from college or pay for the car. She didn't do either - she got married and gave the car back to my folks, which is how I ended up with it during summer/Christmas breaks in college.

    I started wanting a Jeep when I first joined the Army in '75, but didn't actually buy one until '98. That itch never really went away, so Deb, since you have that itch, you might as well plan on satisfying it sooner, rather than later. Like within 5 years. Don't wait 20 plus years, like I did!
  • twylietwylie Posts: 619
    Ii was was the one ribbing you last week on the '03 numbers... Glad to see you lit a fire under the research guys!

    Just got back from a week on the gulf coast. Jeep did well towing a small utility trailer with kayaks and a cooler. I got lousy mileage, but was probably running faster than I should have been. The new receiver hitch kills rear departure angle, but it's a short term solution until I get a replacement bumper.

    We drove through about 4 hours of off and on rain with just the bikini, windjammer, and duster. Nothing more than a few ounces of H20 in the rear floor.

    Glad to have some news posts to read when I got home!

    -twylie
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    We got the locker installed last night but left the differentials dry (drained the front diff too) so that the Permatex could set-up overnight. We were gonna fill the diffs tonight after work, but it was raining pretty hard and I didn't want to drive Thelma Jane home in the rain, since she is topless and doorless.

    So, it will be tomorrow before I can check out the handling with that locker back there. Hope I haven't given up to much streetworthiness. We'll see.

    Tom

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  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    We're all waiting impatiently to hear how it goes. Tell it to stop raining!
  • It's just a number :) Anyway it never has bothered me...but it has my oldest brother, especially when he hit 30, 40, 50...grandpa?...oh no!!! ;) It is only an issue if you let it. I may be 39 but I feel like I'm still in my 20's...even though my body may be screaming YOU'RE ALMOST 40!!! ;)

    Hey tomster...I had an old tank for a car but you had Fred Flintstone's stone age car with the footpowered braking system ;)

    If ya go wheelin this weekend have fun and be careful.

    smedcougar...Deb
  • kelleyokelleyo Posts: 182
    My dad taught me how to drive when I was 14. I saved my grass cutting money and bought a 68 Plymouth Valiant with the slant six (best engine Chrysler ever made until the Viper V10). I was 15.

    I spent a year doing brakes, bondo, paint, tires, hoses, belts, gaskets, etc. I only drove with my dad in the car (learners permit).

    I also took drivers education when I was 15.

    By the time I was driving on my own I was pretty responsible.

    I worry about my kids on the road now because there are a LOT more drivers then there were when I was younger (at least in the area we live in).

    BUT, I certainly do not want to be a cab driver taking my kids to work, school events, practice, etc. (Thank god my wife can do that in her minivan!). LOL

    Can you believe I had to wait 24 years to get my Jeep?
  • hey tom doing any wheeling this weekend ? we made some new bumpers yesterday and today in one hour i pick uo my 31's . we should have time to take it out to see how it all works out. if you want i'll send you some photos .and we'll do another flex ramp test tonight. you do wheel baise x how far up the ramp to get your number .
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    That locker is not going to be a problem in my driving on pavement! I drove around town a while, and there is nothing that bothers me about having that Detroit back there.

    I hear some clicking as the locker engages and disengages on corners, but that's no big deal. Also, there is a slight pull to the left or right when accelerating after a corner, but that's no biggie either. A couple times after being completely stopped at a light and then making a sharp turn, I chirped a tire a little.

    If these are the worst things I have to put up with, then I am totally happy about having that locker. I can probably adjust my driving style so that even these minor things are not as noticeable.

    Will most likely have to wait until next weekend to find out how much that locker helps while wheelin'. From all that I have heard, it should make a world of difference.

    Tom

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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Don't guess I'll be going this weekend. That place will be a swamp after all the rain we got. Would probably go anyway, but I'm not hooked up with anyone to go with me in another Jeep.

    I would really like to see what that Detroit is gonna do for me on the trail, but I guess it will have to wait until next weekend.

    Tom

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  • Im looking into buying new speakers and a sub for my jeep any 1 have any suggestions on a really good one???
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Welcome, nzimmon! I believe you are new here, right? Glad you found us.

    A bud at work has a 97 Sport, and he got a sub for the center console from Crutchfield. They had been discontinued, and the ones they have left are discounted a good bit (don't remember how much he had to pay or how much they sold for originally). Apparently, these were made specifically for the center console of a Jeep.

    He also upgraded to Polk speakers in the sound bar and in the dash. He ended up with a pretty decent system.

    Have you ever dealt with Crutchfield? They are super! They know their stuff and give you real good advice. They also include a lot of stuff that you would pay extra for with other people, like wiring harnesses for easier hook up.

    I would check with them, if I were you.

    Tom

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  • I didnt get my "own" car till I was 20.
    It was tough, going though high school without my own car, when all the "cool" kids had their own car. NOT even gonna talk about "dating"
    BAMA is still here, Tazz is still clean (sorry offroaders).
    NZIMMON.. Welcome to the board.
    POLK have good sound, I like JBL myself.
    I agree with Tsjay Cruthfield is GREAT on customer support. If you buy from them they give ya "quick connects" so no wire spicing. They also send ya specs on how to install equipment.

    KEEP Jeepin & Roll Tide anyway NCAA

    BAMA
  • rb123rb123 Posts: 51
    Sounds like that locker worked out real well. I have also considered putting a locker in my 01 wrangler. I was just wondering what made you decide to go with what you did and how hard was it to install. I have the Dana 35 I don't know what kind of a differance this will make when I go to have a locker installed. Thanks for any comments you may have.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Hey, man, good ta see ya again!

    I would have much preferred a selectable locker, but those puppies are expensive, and, since I will very likely regear in a two or three years, I didn't want to spend the money for one of those.

    So, I was going to have to settle for an automatic locker, but I wanted the smoothest operating one I could get for the pavement.

    After seeking advice and posting in message boards, I saw that the Detroit Soft Locker was in most people's opinion the best automatic locker.

    I could have gone the limited slip route, but what I was after was traction even with one wheel off the ground entirely, as often happens when offroading. A limited slip does no good in that situation.

    There are what they call "lunchbox" lockers, like the Detroit EZ Locker, or the LockRight, but they are not as smooth on the pavement and do not have the reputation of lasting for more than two or three years. Two or three years would have been enough in my case, but I wanted the smooth operation of the Detroit Soft Locker for the street.

    So, that's how I arrived at my decision, rb.

    Tom

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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    RB, I was lucky enough to have a wheelin buddy that knew how to do it, and he installed mine for me. He would have done it for nothing as just a favor, but I made him take some money.

    Those "lunchbox" lockers are supposed to be much easier to install, but the Detroit Soft Locker installation is more complicated.

    To install the Detroit, you have to take the ring gear and carrier (the guts of the differential) out. The Detroit actually replaces your factory carrier. The only really tricky part is getting the backlash set right when you put the assembly back into the housing. You want the same mesh between the pinion and the ring gear as you had before, or maybe just a little more backlash.

    We got lucky, and had to remove only one shim to get the backlash right. I started with .004 backlash, and we ended up with .00525. My bud painted some stuff on a couple of the teeth on the ring gear to check the contact pattern with the pinion gear before and after the installation, and we ended up with the same pattern, which is what you hope for.

    I am glad I was there to watch, so I know better what is involved, but no way would I tackle that job.

    The installation is critical, so don't let just anyone do it. Probably a lot of the reason for the nice, smooth operation of mine is because it was installed properly.

    Good luck!

    Tom

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  • For 03 options you can order either Antilock brakes or 4 wheel disc brakes but not both together. Can anyone give me the advantages and disadvantages of these two options.
    Thanks
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    No personal experience, but I have heard that antilocks don't work very well if you ever go to bigger tires. As a matter of fact, I have heard antilocks SUCK with bigger tires.

    Tom

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  • I am planning on buying a '96-'00 wrangler over the next couple weeks. i am looking for a 5 spd. sport or sahara...any suggestions on the two? any advice on options or models would be very helpful. if u can give me any advice on what to look for please email me at d_allen01@yahoo.com. thank you so much!
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    I personally don't like the fabric in the Sahara, so I would go with the Sport. Another thing - everything I want is available in the Sport, so there is no reason for spending the extra money on the Sahara.

    Don't know about the '00, but earlier than that the sound bar wasn't standard (it is now). That's the only thing I wish I had on my '98 Sport. Check out the exhaust manifold - they redesigned them in '00 (I think that's the year). Previous to that they often failed and they are expensive to replace (I speak from experience!).

    Other options depend on how you plan to use it. For instance, I had no need for fog lights when I bought mine, but once I moved to my mountain pass home, I was sure glad they happened to be on the one I bought!
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,408
    Twylie, I knew it was one of you "T" guys giving me a hard time ;-)

    Advice for Wannajeepbad is best given here - that way even the lurkers can benefit from the sage advice (thx, Mtngal!).

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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    So, you got Wrangler Fever, huh? I guess you know the only cure is to get one.

    First off, welcome! Glad you came here.

    For your info, there was no such thing as a 96 Wrangler: that's the year that they switched from the YJs to the TJs. So, from about 87 to 95, the Wranglers were YJs, and from 97 on up, they are TJs.

    The TJs have the round headlights (YJs' headlights are rectangular) and coil springs instead of leaf springs. The coil springs give a much smoother ride, and most people agree that the suspension of the TJs is better offroad too.

    So, you are doing well to get a 97 or newer.

    Like mtngal said, the exhaust manifolds had a design flaw and cracked on the 97s and 98s, I'm not sure when that problem was corrected, but I would guess in 99 or 2000.

    I think it was in 2000 that distributorless ignition came along, which is a nice improvement. No more distributor or spark plug wires to worry about.

    Sometime in 2000 also, I think, the NV3550 manual transmission was introduced in the TJs, but I'm not sure how important that is. I think the previous tranny was pretty good.

    Like anything else, improvements are made over time, so the newer the Jeep you buy, the more refined it is going to be.

    You wouldn't go wrong with any Jeep from 97 up, assuming you get the right deal, but be prepared to have the exhaust manifold replaced on one older than about 99 or 2000, unless it has already been replaced.

    One potential biggie, if you are gonna wheel that Jeep, and especially if you are going to go to tires bigger than 30", is to get one that has the Dana 44 rear end instead of the Dana 35. The 44s are much beefier and support the bigger tires much better. For most people, though, who only occasionally offroad and have no plans for big tires, the 35 is acceptable.

    Best thing to do is read a bunch of the old posts in here. Lots of questions have been asked and answered in here.

    Don't be afraid to ask a question, though, even if you think it might have been asked before. We don't flame folks in here, and newbies are always welcome.

    Tom

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  • got my new tires on sat. . went out to hollister hills on sunday and the tires where greet. i could go almost any where i would want to go . theres this one trail that we only do going down that we only did going up once before [we almost rolled last time] . so it was time to see how the new tires worked. we went right up it . wecame back around and we saw three built up jeep heading to that trail we just did . well we did the trail right be hind them and about half way up we heard them on there cb's saying that you could not do this trail with out lockers, well i don't have lockers and don't realy won't one . at the end of the trail thay took a harder line out and i thought i took the same line but as i went up the front wheel came off the ground like three feet and we almost rolled it twice .then i found the right line . nothing like almost rolling it end over end backwords . we had fun .
  • rb123rb123 Posts: 51
    Thanks for the info.
  • kelleyokelleyo Posts: 182
    The best place to start (its where I started) is

    this board as well as the TJ FAQ http://www.visi.com/~tam/tjfaq.html#sec2_5


    The FAQ will answer a ton of your questions


    Hope this helps

  • "...Hope I haven't given up to much streetworthiness...."

    Probably not. Tons of hot rods use them for improved street performance.

    :-)
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