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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    By ordering in December, you risk some factory downtime for the holidays, and it could lengthen your wait by a week or two. If orders are slow, they may take some additional downtime around the first of the year.

    The shipping time is going to be a killer for you, since you are up in BC. It wouldn't surprise me if it took up to a month just for shipping.

    I ordered my Thelma Jane on November 16, 2000, and I picked her up at the dealer on December 8, 2000! And, to beat it all, there was an unscheduled down week due to slow orders during the time I was waiting for Thelma Jane to be built. The very week that she was scheduled for build is the week they shut down, but even so, I got her in three weeks and two days after the order went in! ( Would have been two weeks and two days, if it hadn't been for that down week. )

    That I didn't have to depend on rail shipment is one thing that was going for me. I am only about an eight hour drive from Toledo, and I think they just used transport trucks to get Thelma Jane to my dealer.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • Hey, don't overlook a YJ. I did the Edmunds price check on my '91 and it came up only $3-$5k. I think '91 was the first year for the 4.0 and fuel injection. My engine compartment is relatively simple and it's been a good vehicle.
  • Thanks Steve. Interestingly enough, the dealer was offering whichever incentive was better (at time of order or at delivery). Soooo, either he's talking out his tailpipe or they're willing to make up the difference. Hmmm, I *wonder* which is more likely. ;-)

    Dacemiller. If you're planning on off-roading at a moderate or more difficult level, I'd say go with the rubi. I am much in the same boat as it will be a daily driver as well as a recreational vehicle... I've decided on the rubi as I figure this way I get the best of both worlds with only minor hindrances. In regards to the top option. I am going to go with the dual, just gives you more versatility.

    Andrew
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Can I refer you back to post #10713.
  • Thanks. You must have posted as I was writing... Wow, that was fast for you. I suspect that you're right in it taking quite a bit longer to get up here. Once the order is in I imagine the wait will be most annoying!

    BC?! Damn, those Liberals have invaded and taken Edmonton - I must have missed the news!! ;-)

    Andrew
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Sorry about that! Since you are in ALBERTA, it may take a long time for your Jeep to be delivered. :)

    Anyway, just go ahead and order NOW! Whatcha waitin' for???? :)

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • No worries Tom, I knew what you meant. I may just have to do that (ordering it sooner than later). I'll have to have a chat with the dealer and should have some news later on this week/early the next.

    Andrew
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    WELCOME!

    Glad you found this board. Make yourself at home here.

    As Mac suggested, go back to his post 10713. You also might want to check 10714. (I followed up his comments with some of my own.) I think maybe some others of us also responded to ratpatrol's question about a Rubicon.

    I don't see a Rubicon as being any more impractical as a daily driver than any other Wrangler version would be. It's just that you may be paying for features that you won't use, depending on what you will be doing with the Jeep. I think this was well covered in the post that Mac referred you to and in the follow up posts.

    Stick around with us!

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • If your willing to do a bit of searching, $4k to $5k will buy you a mid-90's YJ with around 100k miles on it. I recently bought a '95 YJ with 96k miles as a trail rig. I paid $4,250 with a bad tranny. I've located a source for rebuilt trannies for $800. So, for $5,050 I've got a "good-to-go" Jeep that is reliable enough to take cross country and looks very good for its age and mileage. You can ask "tsjay" about that, he's seen it as we wheel together from time to time.

    If you can spend upwards of $7,500, you can get a '97 or '98 TJ. Since you are needing one as a daily driver and most likely it will already have a few miles on it, go for the 4.0L as it has a tremendous track record for going well beyond the 150k mile mark.

    And BTW: While I am confident in my shadetree mechanic abilities, I'm amazed at how simple and uncomplicated everything is on these Jeeps.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Jim has a SUPER nice YJ! I can't believe how nice it is. It looks like a new one, and once he gets that tranny replaced, that Jeep won't need a thing, except to be driven (and wheeled, of course!).

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • Ooops, my mistake. I guess I could run the foglights with just parking lights on. But now, I can run them with high beams as well.

    Anyway, here's the condensed instructions from Twylie's original post:

    On 2001 and up TJ's with factory fogs, pop the power distribution center cover next to the airbox. Find the fog lamp relay (#35 in my 2001), pull it out and check the bottom of the relay. You'll find one of the pins is marked "1". You want to bend this pin on the relay out of the way, so it doesn't make contact in the PDC. I found the pin and bent it on the surface of my workbench. First step is to bend it 90 degrees flush to the bottom face of the realy. Once you've done that, bend the pin around the body of the relay, so it's wrapped up the side a short distance. Pop the relay back in and try it out.

    Works like a champ for me, but always excercise caution when doing mods like this, I have yet to run the lights for a long time to make sure there are no ill side effects (I don't expect any).
  • Jack-be-Nimble, thanks for the fog light "mod," I can see clearly now!

    Steve
  • ponmponm Posts: 139
    Hello stephen,
        I am not quite sure if you will remember me, but I use to own a wrx wagon and I believe we had a few wrx conversations a few years ago. Well, sure enough about two weeks ago I ended up getting a jeep. I have always wanted one and finally treated myself. Pretty funny though that two x-wrx wagoneers have switched to jeeps. -scott
  • (but do be glad that while there are 29 complaints against 2003 Wranglers, there are 102 complaints against 2003 4Runners)

    Make: JEEP
    Model: WRANGLER
    Year: 2003
    Complaint Number: 10041471
    Summary:
    ACCORDING TO INTERNAL SALES BROCHURES AND ADVERTISEMENTS THE 2003 JEEP WRANGLER RUBICON IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST CAPABLE OFF ROAD JEEP EVER. MY JEEP HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS, WHICH CONSISTS OF 2 BROKEN AXLES, FAULTY BRAKES, FAULTY PARKING BRAKE, FAULTY U-JOINT CLIPS, FAULTY WHEEL BEARING. AFTER PAYING THE DEALER TO REPLACE PARTS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN COVERED UNDER WARRANTY, THEN REALIZING THAT THEY FAILED TO REPLACE ANOTHER FAILED PART, CALLED TO ASK ABOUT A WORKAROUND UNTIL THE NEEDED PART CAME IN. THE ADVICE GIVEN WAS TO REMOVE THE BROKEN AXLE SHAFT AND DRIVE WITHOUT IT. THIS CAUSED BRAKE AND WHEEL BEARING FAILURE. AN ATTEMPT TO GET THE DEALER TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE REPAIR COST TOOK SOME TIME TO GET RESOLVED. FINALLY, THEY FIXED THE PROBLEMS AND VOIDED THE MANUFACTURE'S WARRANTY. REASON FOR VOIDING THE WARRANTY WAS MISUSE/ABUSE BECAUSE THE VEHICLE HAD BEEN USED OFF-ROAD AND HAD MUD ON THE UNDER CARRIAGE. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE YOU CANNOT MARKET A VEHICLE AS OFF-ROAD AND THEN VOID THE WARRANTY IF IT IS USED IN THIS MANNER. THE VEHICLE WAS NEVER SUBMERGED, OR IN MUD/WATER DEEPER THEN THE HEIGHT OF THE BOTTOM OF THE FRONT BUMPER. FURTHERMORE, JEEP CLAIMS I AM A MEMBER OF A 4WD CLUB THAT I HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH AND CLAIMS A WITNESS SAW THE VEHICLE UNDER WATER. BOTH NOT TRUE. ASKING FOR HELP FROM THE DOT TO MAKE JEEP STAND BY IT'S WARRANTY, OR HAVE THEM NOT MARKET THE VEHICLE AS OFF-ROAD SINCE IF USING IT OFF ROAD VOIDS THE WARRANTY THEN THIS IS FALSE ADVERTISING. *LA
  • I'm not an anybody around here, but just my $0.02 regarding tops.

    I had the dual top option on my Sahara, and I just sold my hard top on e-bay last week, after it occupied my spare bedroom for the past 6 months. (I don't have a garage to store it.)

    I love having the top down as long as it is not raining, but I do live in southern California. With the soft top, I can put the top up in minutes. I don't know what I'd do if I got caught in the rain away from home 'topless' with the hard top only. But if you live in a snowy climate, I think you would probably want a hard top, be it dual or alone.

    BTW, it cost me $1675 for the dual top option, sold the hard top for $1100. Probably not too bad of a price to pay to find out which option is good for me.

    FWIW :)
  • after buying your Jeep?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Factory quality hard tops are MUCH more expensive, if you don't get them as part of the dual top option to begin with.

    If you think you are going to want a hard top, then get the hard top only option or the dual top option. This way you will be set up for rear window defroster and rear window washer/wiper.

    I assume that for that $1675, Yoko, you got the dark tinted windows and the defroster and rear wiper/washer, right? All of that would cost well over $2000 after purchase of the Jeep.

    If you don't get the hard top from the factory to begin with, but you later decide that you want one, then the way to get one would be to buy one used from someone who wants to sell theirs, like Yoko did. You might then have to have some wiring and "plumbing" installed for the defroster and the wiper/washer, though.

    WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, YOKO??? We missed ya! Glad to finally hear from you again.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    If the guy who posted that complaint was being honest, then it's a shame that he got a bad Jeep. I guarantee you that for ANY type of vehicle ever made, it wouldn't take too long to find a horror story from some owner.

    I have known enough Jeepers, and have spent enough time on various message boards to feel confident in saying that the reliability of Wranglers is GOOD. There are lemons in any make of vehicle, though, and the guy whose message you posted must have gotten one.

    I would not be afraid for anyone to compare the percentage of negative posts in this message board concerning the Wranglers to the percentage of the same for any other message board.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • I would not be surprised if there were more to this story than what is represented in the complaint. Having said that, he does have a point about a vehicle being marketed as an off-road vehicle, and then actually using it offroad voids the warranty. I've wondered the same thing myself. I suspect that the clause is an escape for the manufacturer in case of EXTREME off-road usage, which would be near impossible to engineer for bulletproof-ness, especially in a vehicle that must be road worthy, comfortable, etc as well.
  • Not to mention that aside from making a bulletproof off-roader, there is even more to be said about the driver... No matter the vehicle, the driver can do something less than brilliant to damage their rig. Curious as to how they broke the axles... spinning tires hitting dry pavement perhaps? As with most things, there are two sides of the story and truth is likely lost in the middle. I agree with Tom in that there are horror stories for pretty well any vehicle out there if you look hard enough, and that a lemon can happen (unfortunately) to anyone.

    Andrew
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Tom said "I would not be afraid for anyone to compare the percentage of negative posts in this message board concerning the Wranglers to the percentage of the same for any other message board."..................

    .............and I say, if you look back to see those negative posts you'll find a large proportion of them are from you, bcmalibu99ls............ and none of them are from your personal experience.

    You once posted that you like to make negative comments because you can't afford a Rubicon and it made you feel better about not having one. I'm guessing that you've still got some saving to do!

    Jeeps are not perfect and they have problems just like any other make. However, these problems can be exacerbated by a poor dealer. As important as getting a good price when you buy your Jeep, is to get a dealer with good customer service practices. Usually, the smaller dealers (who will often have an affiliation with a local Jeep off road club), will have a vested interest in keeping their customers happy.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Good points have been made about how ANY vehicle can be destroyed by abuse. I don't care how strong and axle might be, spinning the tires at redline RPM and then catching traction will explode any of them.

    Anything can be broken, no matter how strongly it's made! I believe even battle tanks have their limits, right?

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    ponm - I can see a correlation between Wranglers and WRXs. I have a Wrangler and have been thinking of replacing the Taco with a WRX. Both are FUN vehicles, a label that will never be put on a Tacoma! Do you still have your WRX?

    Yoko - sounds like you did quite well resolving the top issue. I hope you don't live around the area that got all that hail and flooding last night!

    I still would rather have a Wrangler than a Toyota...
  • nolid5nolid5 Posts: 148
    "a large proportion of them are from you, bcmalibu99ls............ and none of them are from your personal experience." I noticed that as well.
  • tjraytjray Posts: 38
    Just thought I would jump in here with a 44000 mile update on my '01 Sport. Problems to date: 1 blown front shock, replaced under warranty,I even told the dealer it happened while off roading. And my check engine light came on once after I fueled up with some discount gas at a sleazy truck stop. I am extremely happy with my jeep,and have considered buying a new Rubicon, but this one is almost paid for, and I think I'll just keep building and enjoying the '01 I've got! Tjray
  • ponmponm Posts: 139
    Funny story, I went from a 2000 tacoma 4x4 to a wrx wagon and the wrx was a blast. I had the car set up for auto-X and for my first season I did fairly well. Sad to say, the wrx is no longer around after going back to a truck(2000 chevy silverado that gave me nothing but transmission problems) and now I am with my wrangler. Truly, I miss my tacoma, it was always very reliable and it got me through a lot of heavy stuff. Actually, I once pulled a full size truck out of a ditch with my tacoma. Although I do miss my wrx too. I tried giving the wrx to my wife but she thought the car was to ugly and stayed with her Jetta, yes, thats right, her jetta. Hey, I can't complain, I have my suzuki sv650 bike and a wrangler. Life is good.
  • I am buying a KIA!!!

    Chill out, people :-) You may be pleased to find out that I am yet to see Wrangler on a "least reliable" list anywhere. So, yes, it's a not bad vehicle overall. See, I praised it without ever driving it. Give me a candy. Thank you.

    That being said, I think by giving DC a free pass when they make crap, you are setting yourself up for disappointment later on, when you will buy new Jeeps. 4Runner owners are suing left and right over relatively minor 4Runner defects and are very vocal about it. Maybe that's why Toyota is a perennial leader in quality, while DC is not even close?

    I will buy a Jeep eventually, and I hope it will be a quality product in part because DC customers complained when they received a lemon. Thank you for your understanding!
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Hey, we don't give DC free passes: we just don't have much to complain about. If I got a lemon Jeep, I would scream bloody murder as loud as anyone. It's just that there aren't many people that I know who have problems with their Jeeps, and when they do, it's usually not very serious stuff and can be easily corrected.

    Who was it here that had an SE with a bad tranny? DC finally bought back the Jeep, and he got a Sport. I don't think he had to sue DC or anything... they just did the right thing by him.

    Just searched, and it was Guy21 who had the tranny problem. His dealer went to bat for him and got him a buy back from DC. Guy now has an X model (not a Sport as I said above) that I believe he is very happy with.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Don't know how many of you are Nascar fans or how many of you keep up with the Busch Series, but our local team (their shop is eight miles from my house) is in second place, only 22 points out of the lead, with one race to go.

    The Timberwolf car, number 37, driven by David Green, is the car I'm talking about. The final race is Saturday at 12 noon eastern time on NBC.

    The race is at the Homestead track near Miami, and Green qualified 12th today.

    This is truly a local team, with the team owner, Clarence Brewer Jr., being a Central City, Kentucky native. That's where their shop is, and that is only eight miles from Greenville, where I live. The driver, David Green, is from Owensboro, Ky, which is only 40 miles away. I bought Thelma Jane in Owensboro, by the way.

    I am really pumped up over this! That team goes up against teams with a LOT more financial resources every week, and they still have been at or near the top in the standings all season.

    I am very proud of them, no matter how things go Saturday.

    CONGRATS TO THE TIMBERWOLF TEAM! GO # 37 !

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • I apologize for badmouthing the Wrangler. Please forgive me
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