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  • Welcome to the board! Looks like we'll be in similar straits very soon - awaiting the arrival of a brand spankin' new Jeep ride!

    Andrew
  • Thanks. Given the whole "catching" on things bit, I may rethink the snorkel. I would suspect that there is far more likelihood of getting snagged on mountain trails around here than actually getting some use of it...

    Would you happen to know if the air compressor used by the Rubi is capable of being used to re-inflate tires (like the ARB compressor used by the ARB lockers), or is it insufficient for the task?

    Andrew
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    The drive home last night wasn't too bad. It was dry with just a bit of drizzle. We had the Grand Cherokee instead of the AWD BMW and we could definitely feel the wind. Didn't feel like 80 MPH though. No dust storms since the rain the night before kinda settled things down.

    We've had 5 dust storms at Dryden this year alone. Before that, none for about 20 years. GO figure.

    My daughter got home around 2:00 and we told her she won't go out, so she was fine.

    Wish we got more snow. It's already melted.

    -Paul
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    I don't know, but I doubt it. You can be sure that for the little it would cost for the fittings, DC would make a big song and dance about having an onboard tire inflation system if it were practical.

    An electric compressor like the QuickAirII, or a CO2 bottle and regulator are both practical solutions. If you need a continuous supply at high volume and high pressure then an engine driven compressor would be the way to go. It's a more expensive and complex solution though.

    image
    (An engine driven compressor on a late model TJ)

    image
    (A schematic to go with the above mentioned compressor)

    This site:
    http://www.onboardair.com
    will provide you with some interesting reading.
  • Well thanks for the welcomes.

    Tsjay, yeah I've been doing a lot of reading, I'm a computer junky too and post on 3 or 4 forums and well lets just say I really haven't posted anything on them in the last few weeks :)

    Mtgal, Wrangler fever has fully set in, I've looked at other cars but never felt the urgency to go and buy one. Do you like the Bridgestone Dueller AT's better then the stock Goodyears? My uncle works for Firestone and I could get them cheap.

    Can't wait to get out to the dealerships and see what kind of deal I can work. Should be out this time tomorrow.

    Tony
  • I know what you mean about wanting one since you were 14. You had to wait a whole nine years. I wanted one since I was in the service in 1962. Got mine in January 2000. Let see, 2 from 0, borrow 1, makes 2 from 10, leaves 8.........

    Terry
  • TSJAY/ERICKPL and all.

    I truly appreciate the help. This is a lifetime dream that I have had since I was a little rascal and now I'm in the mid life crisis zone and am taking action. I am planning on using the Jeep as a pleasure vehicle to hit up some off road parks and to just tool around in. My leaning to a TJ with a 6cyl is that I hear that on road performance with a load of wife+2kids and weekend baggage on an safari rack is good. The nearist decent off road area is about 1 1/2 hours away so a 1947 CJ2 is not even in the picture!

    I am lucky and live in a major market that has quite a few Jeep dealers so I am leaning new at this point for the exact reasons that TSJAY pointed out.

    The Wrangler Sport is probably going to win out due to the combination of options it has already on it vs what I plan on buying from J.C. Whitney etc.

    I'll let you know the outcome.

    Again many thanks to the excellent advice.1
  • I don't have a rubicon but I don't think the compressor for the lockers would work. I think the actuator needs 5psi.
    I heard some arb owners complain about their compressor for tire inflation. I like the belt driven ones but it can be expensive and with Kilby you have to lower your alternator some.

    One thing I don't like about snorkels is that you can't lower your windshield with one.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Don't know where ya live, but it would sure be cool if you could get over to Turkey Bay and wheel with me sometime. I would be glad to show you around.

    Check out my website about Turkey Bay...

    http://home.earthlink.net/~tsjay49/

    I would definitely go with the Sport or the X, so that you get the power of the 4.0 L inline six cylinder engine. Since it sounds like you will be doin' some wheelin', then the Sport might be the better choice with the Dana 44 rear axle. You won't automatically get the Dana 44 just because you are getting the Sport, though... it's an option. A great way to get the Dana 44 is to get the AAS package, which gets you the 30" tires, Ravine alloy wheels, gas shocks, and the Dana 44. For $850, it's a KILLER deal!

    Tom

    Have y0ou hugged your Jeep today?
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    The AT Duellers were definitely better than the Goodyears for the first year. They stick to the road better and just generally had better traction. Now that they have a lot less tread, probably about the same as the Goodyears. They are a nice compromise for quiet on-road and decent off-road use. If you don't mind super noisy tires, there are better off-road tires available - I wanted something that had some nicer road manners than true off-road tires can give you.

    Many people like one of the BFG AT tires (and they look really cool). Tom had them on Thelma Jane for a while, so he can tell you more.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Keep us posted on your Jeep shopping. Good luck!

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • Terry, I hear you about waiting years. It seems that quite a few people here have had to do that, the reason I'm jumping in now is so I don't have to wait. I'm not very good at waiting.

    Mtngal, since I'm probably going to be doing more on-road driving then off I might see what kind of a deal I could get worked out for some Duellers. There aren't too many places around my house that I know of to wheel but I know that there are a few out in western Maryland, don't get there often but if I start I might have to make more trips.

    Tom, I'll let you know how tomorrow goes when I get the chance. Heading out around noon and don't know how long it'll take. I've got to work tomorrow night (bartender in a night club) so I wont be in till early morning. Hey gotta pay the bills some way, and this is a damn fun way to do it :)

    Hey by the way, do you guys think the 4wheel disc brakes are worth it? I know that they are free but you have to get the Trac-Lok option to get them and that is another $285 I think. So is it really worth it?

    Tony

    Have a fun weekend everyone.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    The BFG All Terrains are hard to beat for a good on road tire that still does a fair job off road too. People get a LOT of miles out of those puppies. I had a set on Thelma Jane, but as I got into wheelin' and had mud to contend with, I traded the ATs in for some BFG Muds. No doubt the Muds are better for mud, since they were designed for mud ( think that's why they call em mud tires??? :) )

    No experience with the rear disc brakes, so can't help ya there.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • LBL is where I am planning on heading to this summer. I went to your website and noticed that LBL is changing hands so I sent an email to focuslbl and politely mentioned that the Off Road Vehicle Area should remain open.Also, I put my name on the mailing list to be kept updated.

    I suggest we all do this as last time I looked, there really wasn't a "Jeep" lobbying group in DC.
     
     I noticed that Thelma Jane is painted White. My other 2 vehicles are white as well and I have found that this color seems to wear pretty well so I am considering a white Sport with the Dana 44 for my impending purchase. Although....I saw a 98 Sahara in mint condition with 51k on it in last night in my most favorite Jeep color scheme..Forest green with Tan interior...

    Stay tuned...the saga continues!

    Thanks again,

    David
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Man, that would be TOO COOL, if you could make it over to TB and wheel with me! Let's plan on it!

    If you are bringing your family, check out the link on my links page on my website about local attractions. There's lots of stuff for the family to do in the Kentucky Lake area.

    White is a great color, if you are gonna do much wheelin' on tight trails. The scratches from tree branches don't show very much on white. I guess silver or any other light color would be good too. I think white looks REAL good, and it has that advantage about not showing scratches.

    Smart choice to get the Dana 44 rear end. This keeps open the possibilities for future build up of your Jeep. You can go with bigger tires and slap a locker back there without being afraid of snapping an axle shaft. If you neve go with bigger tires or a locker, a stronger rear end sure isn't going to hurt anything.

    Man, keep us up to date on how the shopping is going! This is exciting! :)

    Where do ya live? How long would your trip to TB take ya?

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?

    P.S. Man, I really appreciate your support in emailing the Forest Service concerning the new management plan. WAY TO GO! It's gonna take all of us sticking together to keep our wheelin' areas open.
  • I live in the NW suburbs outside of Chicago.(Damn Yankee that I am)so the trip is probably 6 ish hours. Before I hit the boards here I checked out jeep.com and found LBL and have dug up info. off the web. Also, I drive to Florida to visit the oulaws once a year and have passed the signs for LBL and have wondered what the heck it was about.

    We completed a family vacation in our 1 week old Honda Odyseey to Yellowstone this year. Left with 587 miles on returned with 4,800+ miles. Thank God for DVD with wireless headphones!Saw big time Jeep territory and the fire was relit.

    Then I checked with my financial advisor (aka wife) and bartered away for some honey do's....very long list... hence the need for a new Jeep and not a project.

    Also business seems to have picked up so spending a bit more to get what I want isn't too big an issue..I wonder how long the honey do list would be for a Rubicon. Hmmmm....

    David
  • That list would probably go on FOREVER!!!

    I bought a used Jeep back in the fall and Tom and I have been wheelin' in the LBL several times. You will love it!!! My youngest son, Barrett age 3, is hooked. It seems everytime he picks up a Hotwheel now, it's the red Jeep with the black top, just like mine. He will play for hours with that Jeep pretending he is in the LBL. He doesn't know it, but Santa is bringing him a Powerwheels Jeep. He will be so excited!!! This is definitely a family oriented activity. Bring the whole family and make a week of it. Heck, there is a nice campground in the south end of the LBL where we camp. Maybe we could hook up?
  • Well I just got back from the dealer. Didn't do anything today, told him I would call him Monday. The closest one they could find with what I want is at least 2 hours away. The only problem it doesn't have everything, it has full doors instead of the half. I really want the half doors.

    I asked what would happen with rebates if I ordered from the factory and he said that I would get whatever was being offered when the Jeep came in? Is that true, I thought I had read somewhere in here that you get what ever rebate is better, delivery time or order time? I'm going to call DC and ask Monday but I thought you guys might know.

    He quoted me a fair price I think $22,900 (before rebates) for a 5spd Sport with, 30" tire package, 7 speaker stereo, Sentry Key, and it had A/C (I don't really care about that but if it's there). Do you guys think that's a fair price?

    He asked what I wanted as a monthly payment and I came back with I want to spend $23K, payments I can work with I have a bottom line. He started at 24,500.

    I guess that's it for now, will continue on Monday. He also said that to order the half doors it would cost close to $2k total. (don't really want to do that.

    If I find out that the rebates stick I'll be placing my order on Monday. Hopefully that's the way it is.

    Thanks for all the help so far. This board has made some option choices much easier then they would have been without it.

    Tsjay: I'll look into the BFG's but I'm guessing that I can still get a better deal on the Duellers.

    Tony
  • The way rebates work is that the main consumer cash/APR is sold order protected meaning that you are guaranteed that amount. Now if the rebates goes away when you take delivery of it, you are guaranteed the rebate that was in existance when you ordered the Jeep. If the rebates get better, you are eligible for them instead.

    The only rebates that are not order protected are the bonus cash incentives they offer from time to time. If they expire, they expire for good.
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    If the only thing that was holding up the deal was the full doors, I'd be tempted to go with the full doors, then get either all cloth aftermarket doors for summer, or get half doors aftermarket. That way you have the choice of which you want, especially in cold weather.

    AC is VERY nice. I'm too old to do without it any more (I've had 2 vehicles over the years without AC and ended up putting it in the second one).

    If you can get a good deal on the Dueller AT tires, then get them - they are nice both on and off road. If they are the same price then flip a coin or go with the one you think looks best (I think most people prefer the looks of the BFG AT tire).

    I would be happy to go out to LBL if it were closer. But I haven't managed to get further east than Las Vegas, where I am now. Isn't it such a hard life - having family in Vegas?
  • I am really bummed. I was out shopping around for new tires this afternoon. Then I got rear ended by another car today while waiting to make a right hand turn, The only damage seems to be a dented rear bumper. It seemed to drive fine on my way home from the accident. But there seems to be kind of a grinding noise coming from the rear somewhere when I drive over any bumps. This totally sucks. Oh well, at least nobody seemed to be hurt at all. I just wanted to vent to some people who would understand how having to be without my Jeep until it is fixed will be painfull. My wife might be glad to have it out of the garage while it's repaired, I think she is getting jealous of the attention I give my Jeep!
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Sorry to hear about your accident. Wranglers often get rear-ended without apparent damage. It's not until the spare wheel is removed some time later that a dent in the tailgate is sometimes discovered. Worth checking.
  • Mac - thanks for all the info. Looking at all that, and given my extensive knowledge of installing such things, I suspect something like the QuickAirII is a more likely option in the near future! ;-)

    TexasJeep - I never really thought about not being able to lower the windshield... that does it, the snorkel is out!

    Tony - according to the dealer I am working with, you get the best of both worlds as far as finance rates are concerned, but incentives (cash rebates, no payments for 90 days, etc) are limited to time of pickup. Err, wait, just go with what Colorado1974 said - sounds much more concise. ;-)

    Sean810 - Sorry to hear about your accident. Thankfully no one was hurt.

    Both of my acquaintances here in Edmonton who own Jeeps have recently been involved in accidents (no injuries in either case). One hit a deer on the highway while heading home (quite the extensive repair bill on his TJ, luckily covered by insurance) and the other hit an ice patch and slid into the rear end of a mini-van. Funny part is, the only thing you can see on the YJ is a minor dent in the bumper, the mini-van didn't handle it as well...

    Andrew
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    Sorry to hear about your accident. We had one about 6 months after we bought our - we were going along in a quickly moving carpool lane of the freeway when someone in the next lane pulled in front of us. We hit the wall and him (his insurance paid - illegal lane change) but it took a couple of months to get it back. The only thing that made it bearable is the fact that we had a rented Cherokee. That was kind of nice, but I was still glad when I finally got my Noble Black Steed back. It had quite a bit of body damage, but nothing much mechanically. I was glad we were in the Wrangler rather than the Tacoma - those little Jeeps are really tough.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Man, whatcha gotta do is talk INVOICE with the dealer. Make him show you the invoice and agree to some amount in relation to invoice for a selling price. I got Thelma Jane for $200 over invoice, and I got a copy of the invoice from the dealer. When I bought her, not many people were getting any better deals than $200 over invoice.

    If the $22,900 is for a soft top Jeep, then I'm not sure how good that deal is... maybe OK, but, once again, it should be judged in relation to invoice. How much OVER INVOICE?

    I got Thelma Jane for $22,100 give or take some change. That was with a hard top with dark tinted windows, which is about $900 more than the standard soft top. I know prices have most likely gone up over the last three years, so your deal might not be too bad.

    So, you are going to order rather than take one off the lot? I think that would be a WISE choice... get EXACTLY what you want. You know it will have your name on the window sticker, if you order from the factory, right? That's a cool little side benefit.

    Chitown? I grew up in Hammond, Indiana. How 'bout that? We would have been almost neighbors. :)

    Oh yeah, GET THE A/C! I think you will be very glad that you did. Remember, every day ain't a top down day. It can be awful hot and muggy on rainy days too, ya know. Also, your defroster will work better if ya have A/C.

    How bout you guys that have recently bought new TJs helping David out, and tell him how much you paid in relation to invoice for your Jeeps??? I know that info really helped me to know what kind of deal to hold out for when I bought Thelma Jane.

    Oh yeah, if you look up invoice price here in Edmunds, the total will not include the ad fees the dealer has to pay DC. At least Edmunds didn't USED to list those ad fees, since they vary by region. My invoice shows two lines for ad fees, one national and one regional. The total between the two of them was close to $300. I think these are legitimate costs that the dealer has to pay, since they DO appear on the invoice.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Sorry, Dude, about the accident. Glad no one was hurt, and I hope the damage to the Jeep turns out to be as minor as it sounds. Jeep are tough, so your baby probably wasn't hurt much.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I read too many posts before responding, and I have stuff for Tony and stuff for David in the same post. I forgot who asked what or who said what.

    So, Tony and David, read my previous post to David and take what you might use from it.

    Old people shouldn't be allowed to post messages! :)

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    I'm sure your son will love the Power Wheels Wrangler. My son also got one for Christmas when he was three(six years ago-time DOES fly). Our driveway is a 1/2 mile long gravel farm road and my son loved to drive the Jeep up to the gate and back as my wife and I walked along with him. Those Power Wheel are durable as well; I've only had to replace one fuse and one switch since we bought it. div jr. and a friend even flipped it over onto the roll bar trying to climb a retaining wall. Even though my son has outgrown it, the little Jeep still has a place of honor in our heated garage; neither one of us wants to part with it.
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    Are you getting much snow down your way? We had to go to a couple of Christmas Parties and I took the Wrangler. Driving home the snow was pretty heavy and the flakes were HUGE. I kept it in 2WD 99% of the time and I had no problems.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Man, I was driving home from Turkey Bay at about 30 MPH! It was snowing so hard that the lights from my headlights was being reflected back into my eyes, and I had a heck of a time seeing where I was going. ( We didn't leave TB until almost dark. ) I used low beam, too. like you're supposed to.

    It stopped here after maybe just an inch or two of accumulation. So, we didn't get much of a snow, but it sure was coming down hard when it WAS snowing.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
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