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Jeep Wrangler

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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Beats me, but welcome to the forum. Stick around and make yourself at home. This is a real good place to get info.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • zinman61zinman61 Posts: 14
    tsjay,
    Pretty ironic that i posted right after your wrangler pic. I actually began my Wrangler research at the beginning of this thread. That was when you still had your Pontiac! Still many more to read. Hope to catch up soon. Believe it or not, I'm considering a Wrangler or a Mini Cooper. My wife drives a T&C mini van and I have a Camry. My children are split on the toy car. My daughter votes for the Wrangler and my twin sons want the Mini. We'll see who wins out.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    WRANGLER!

    It will be the most fun you've ever had with your clothes on! Nothing comes close to a Jeep for pure F-U-N!

    I have owned every type of vehicle out there, and I always got bored with a new vehicle after a few months. Not so with my Thelma Jane!

    Take a topless/doorless ride in a Jeep, and you will see what I mean. I get my most enjoyment out of my Jeep now by going off-roading, but Thelma Jane was the most fun vehicle I had ever owned even BEFORE going off-road. Wheelin' just added a whole new dimension to owning a Jeep.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Tom, you've got a black and white Jeep, with or without the corner panels. White body, black rockers, wheels, flares, bumpers, top.......... and now corners.

    Yes, you can sand and paint them, but it rather defeats the purpose. Like the rockers, they're designed to protect the body and allow you to push the envelope. If you just wanted the Jeep to look nice you could have had a conventional repair done on that corner and driven a little more conservatively afterwards (which doesn't really jive with the new front locker!).

    However...................... white is the easiest color to match and has virtually no 'depth' to it, so you should be able to replicate a virtual factory finish with 'rattle cans'........... if you really want to!

    Personally, I'd use a can of 'satin' or 'semi matte' black to tidy up the new scratches in the corners after a fun day of pushing the limits at Turkey Bay.

    :--)
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    I like the black on white - better than the diamond crome whatever they are corner plates you sometimes see. It looks like what it is - a capable off-roader driven by someone who pushes the limit.

    We (well, my other half drove while I rode - didn't think I'm quite safe to drive with what meds I'm taking at the moment) tested the Outback and the Forester. The last time (like 2 years ago?) I looked at them I preferred the Outback, this time the Forester. But I didn't get excited about either one. I'm thinking that it I might as well just get new seats for the Taco and keep it for another couple of years.

    If they were to offer an Unlimited in a MT I probably could be talked into changing my mind, though...
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Yeah, I know the color scheme was preserved and all, but I just don't like the looks. There's too much black in one spot, I guess.

    I'm with ya on the matte or flat black, Mac. I thought that would be the way they were, not shiny like they are. Maybe I would be better satisfied if they were matte.

    I guess I'll hold off for a while, but I almost know that I would be happier if they were white.

    The option of body work and repainting wouldn't have made sense, cause I know there would be future damage. Those panels are just what I need, but they would look better white, I think.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • drosketerdrosketer Posts: 203
    Looks just fine Tom, although I agree matte might be nicer... Still, you could always go with a zebra scheme! ;-)

    Andrew
  • gretagreta Posts: 23
    Greetings! I'm wondering if anyone can assist, or reassure me about the noise I sometime hear with my new 2004 Wrangler. It's a slight "Knocking Sound," you know like marbles rattling under the hood. It's a Manual Transmission, and I've been driving a Stick Shift for 40 years (never having any problems w/ my competence to shift proficiently.) This vehicle only has 3800 miles on it. I know that 86 Octane is the preferred gas and the Dealer tested it with a Computer gadget that showed no Spark Plugs missing, Why would it sound like that? It happens, even when slightly accelerating @ highway speeds in 5th gear? Thanks for any info. on this matter. greta
  • gretagreta Posts: 23
    Oh, by the way, the 2004 Wrangler Manual even says that occasional Knocking is OK. That doesn't seem right to me? greta
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I would guess it is simply because you are lugging down the engine when trying to accelerate in fifth gear.

    Fifth gear is, I believe, .79:1 ratio, or at least it used to be. That is just for maintaing speed on the highway, and level highway at that.

    If the only time you hear it is in fifth gear under load, try downshifting to fourth and see if the noise goes away.

    Mac, really need you to jump in here! Am I on the right track or not????

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    From the description (though it's really hard to diagnose noises over the internet), it does sound like the engine is being lugged in fifth gear, which is really an overdrive.

    Filling the tank with the highest grade gas available should confirm it, but 87 octane should be maximum required unless the combustion chambers are badly carboned up (unlikely at 3800 miles). However, a change in driving technique is probably all that's needed........... if you need to accelerate at highway speeds, drop to fourth.

    Were you able to ride in your Jeep with the service manager to demonstrate the noise and confirm you were both on the same page?
  • gretagreta Posts: 23
    Perhaps I may have lead you guys off track, with my mention of 5th gear. Certainly, "lugging down" would create the sound, but, that "light marbles" sound does persist in other gears ranges as well. If anything, I tend to push 'slightly' to the higher end of each of the gears RPM range, (though not past ~ 2800 RPM's); as I love to listen to that sound of the engine, much more than I like to sound of the radio. I find that 'Up Arrow Idiot Light,' on the dash, which suggests when to shift, to be awkwardly annoying and doesn't correspond to the amount of torque(?) one wants to continue to apply, as one goes though the gears. I'd love to understand the ideal RPM range to be in for every situation, in each gear. It seems like the engine is 'kind of content' around 1500-1800 RPM's, but it is certainly different than my '95, 6-cylinder, Toyota T-100. Anyway, I hope that gives you more to chew on, as you ponder this question about the slight sound of spark knock, which the manual says is not damaging to the engine? Thanks, greta
  • gman1259gman1259 Posts: 209
    Tom,

    The color scheme does not look bad at all. The coroner panels definitely need to be matted. I think flat would be too much in the other direction though.

    However, now I think the rear bumper needs to upgraded to something a little meatier. The corner panels give Thelma Jane a stronger look, which the original bumpers do not exhibitwhen next to them.

    Glen
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Thanks.

    I don't know what I will do. For the time being, I will just live with the situation.

    You're right about my needing a beefier rear bumper, so maybe that will be my next mod. I could then reassess the looks of those panels.

    Oh, guess I need a little clarification between matte and flat. Is matte just the "texture?" Is it just a rough surface as opposed to a smooth surface?

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • gman1259gman1259 Posts: 209
    When I am thinking of a matted finish I am thinking semi gloss. I could be wrong in my terminology, and it may be a textured surface but most people I know call a semi gloss finish “matted.” I think it’s because when you look close you can see flat and glossy areas matted together (but I am making it up as I go).

    Glen
  • twylietwylie Posts: 619
    This is a picture of a bumper I bought used and cleaned up/resprayed. I used a "satin" finish paint. It's between a semi-gloss and a flat. Has a nice look to it without being too "bling". $3 a can at the Home Depot.

    http://www.ewylie.com/images/jeep/satinblack.jpg

    -twylie
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I miss the posts of our old buddy, Pete. Pete, are ya out there??? What's up? Looks like the last time you posted was Dec.26th!

    Does anyone know how to get in touch with Pete? His email is private.

    Steve or Tidester, could you guys email him and tell him the old Tomster misses him? Tell him to email me. My email is public.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • drosketerdrosketer Posts: 203
    Isn't that rolling marbles sound why they nicknamed the tranny the box o' rocks? As far as I know, that noise is fairly standard for this transmission - or am I confusing this with the AX-15??

    Andrew
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Flat or matte = no gloss (like a chalk board).

    Satin or semi matte = a sheen, like satin.
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Pinking, pre-ignition, pinging, knock, whatever you like to call it, will cause damage if allowed to happen to excess. However, it is a normal part of the ignition process at times. Some engines (not Jeep) have a knock sensor, which retards the timing when it detects pre-ignition. As the manual says, a little is acceptable, and the 4.0 does have a reputation for a very long life.

    Next, you can't over rev the 4.0. There's a rev limiter built in........ try it and see. Certainly, 2800 rpm is nowhere near red-line. Past 1500 rpm the torque curve is practically flat until around 4000 rpm. Experiment a little, the 'upshift' light is for economy and environmental purposes only.

    Finally, while the NV3500 transmission has a reputation for noise, this is predominantly noticeable at idle while unloaded.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    Done! :-)

    tidester, host
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    I experienced pinging last summer in my 03'Sport w/manual tranny. I was using 87 octane gas (our reg gas in WA). I have switched to using 89 octane (midlevel here in WA) and have not experienced anymore pinging. Unfortunately, I'm paying about $ 2.17 a gallon. :-(

    I have had one thing happen now for a couple of times though. It's usually after maintaining a constant highway speed like when I'm using the cruise control. After I slow down, like when existing an offramp, a warning bell sound begins(the same sound as when the gaslight comes on). No warning lights come on, gas tank has been half to full, etc. The sound continues for about 30 secs and then stops. This has happened about 3 times. Any thoughts about what this could be?

    Clueless in Seattle,
    Stephen
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Thanks! Hope everything is OK with Pete.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • go_ducksgo_ducks Posts: 22
    Well, got the hard top and doors off the Jeep this weekend, and tooled all around the beach. Today, I finally got around to installing the new Rock Gear soft top that came last week. Of course, right after I installed the hardware and put the top up, I put it right back down as it's still sunny here and I'm currently doorless.

    I took a ton of pictures while installing it and will get those up on a site sometime in the next month for the curious. Installation wasn't too bad, as there isn't much hardware--it uses the roll cage for support.
  • gretagreta Posts: 23
    That "Rolling Marbles sound" is a good description for the manual transmission in the idle mode, out of gear; but I am referring to more of that "Pinging Sound" in the engine compartment, not from down under where I feel & heard the transmission. Perhaps I should try the next higher Octane and see what happens, though Regular 86 Oct. is what they say to use. Thanks for all the good advice. greta
  • gman1259gman1259 Posts: 209
    I like it, it looks good.
  • wheelsdownwheelsdown Posts: 250
    This is a big guess. I did not look in my manual or try it with my TJ, but many cars turn on a warning bell if you leave the turn signal on for more than 1/8th mile or so. Could you be giving a long signal before the off ramp?

    Terry
  • greenjeepgreenjeep Posts: 15
    I really like her, Tom. She looks very nice with the black accents. I am experiencing a lot of raised eyebrows with the frog's electric lime green color. I don't have black quarter panels but I'm thinking it would look pretty good, maybe some diamond plate corners to match the black diamond plate rocker guards, but I've got the dual top option which are both black, and the interior is black. I think it is a very striking contrast. It definitely gets noticed -- its just that I'm not so sure people are looking at it because its pleasing to the eye or if they are trying to figure out why the heck someone would want to drive something that "glows" in the dark. I guess you could say I'm making my own statement. I originally wanted black on black but when I saw that electric lime green color (new for 2004) I just had to have it.
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    Nope...no turn signal on, but I do know what you about turn signals. The mystery warning sound has happened about 3x. I've looked in the manual but all it said was this sound would come on if the emergency brake was still on or if the gas level got low (I know that sound well, LOL!).

    Anyone have any more guesses? :-)

    Stephen
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Thanks.

    I still think I am gonna paint those panels white, though. As a matter of fact, I picked up some sand paper and a couple rattle cans of white paint at lunch today. :)

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
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