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I suggest everyone who post list their dealer. include City and State
My history
I bought my 2008 Wrangler UnlimitedX with the dual top in Nov.. Since we didn't want the soft top the dealer ( Don Phillips of Frederick Maryland ) deducted the price off the sticker for soft top and removed it. I have the freedom top and have it parked outside and have drove in the hard rain with it. At most I had 6 little drops on top of the radio, I wiped up with my hand. Hope you can get this resolved. You never know how good the dealer is till you have problems, then it's to late.
GOOD LUCK TO YA!!!
They got some nerve to say thing like that So next time if the engine is dead, I guess they will say just take the bus?
Good luck to everyone with this problem!!
How the heck do you sell this type of roof with this common problem..AMAZING..
Every time my girlfriend went to shut her door, it wouldn't close....I kept telling her you have to slam it...There is something terribly wrong with these vehicles....
Good luck, you're going to need it....
-Paul
I really don't see how fixing a leaking roof could be that hard. Installing a gasket or filling in deficiencies/holes shouldn't be that much work for Jeep to fix.
-Paul
Has anyone actually had the leak fixed or are ALL the fixes not worth the effort?
Need to know if I should continuing trying to have it fixed. Everyone in the posts seems to not have any luck in stopping or even slowing down the leak.
My problem is that the roof leaks right where the two tops meet in front. It drips on the dash above the radio. It can stay out in a rainstorm all day with no leaks, but as soon as you cause the water to go forward such as going downhill or stopping, it streams out between the tops up front.
I still can't believe that Jeep with all their engineers can't fix a simple leak problem. I have looked at the way the tops fit together and it doesn't look hard to seal up. Both the old seal and the new seal seem to funnel the water to right where it leaks. It doesn't leak where they meet in back. That seal looks good. No funnel for the water to travel down. why don't they make the front seal like the back?
As far as the doors go, yeah the fronts are hard to close. Talked to the dealer's body shop and they said that the fronts are hard to close because of the seals. Remember the seals - they suck on this vehicle. They said that over time they will wear in and not be so hard. They may be right as the driver's door is easier than the passenger because it gets used more often. We'll see.
All that in mind, I still bought two, 2-door Unlimiteds just because for me, it's the perfect Wrangler. I love that little extra space behind the rear seat and longer wheel base stability for highway speeds. Yet, they're still Wrangler TJs (officially LJs but that's splitting hairs). I just had to have one more (Rubicon stick-shift this time) and I used the argument of "the end of an era" to my wife who surprised me with "you're right, I agree". I almost flipped but didn't waste time locating the last of the new 2-door Unlimited's as they came to the end of their limited 2.5 year production. I couldn't be more proud of owning two of America's truly unique, one-in-it's-own-class vehicles which I think mark the end of a certain era in the Jeep family. Who knows, maybe if we can keep the rust-belt rust from eating them alive we might only have lost half our money after 20 years...assuming gasoline is still available then...maybe you'll have to special order 87-octane like high-test racing fuel is today. :P
All I do know is these machines have made me very happy and I still open the door to the garage before heading to bed each night just to admire them and look forward to each day I get to drive 'em or even just sit in them. The two I have are simply beautifully rugged works of art and fun-function in my book no matter how many were built.
As far as the value of the car, as long as I am not upside-down, I am feeling good
I would love to see a comparison test both on and off-road to see the better of the Unlimiteds, 2-door or 4-door.
I love this Jeep and now it is leak free. Apparently, if the new seal is put on properly by someone who knows what they are doing, the leak is fixed. The dealer is Troncalli in Cumming, GA north of Atlanta. If anyone wants to get rid of their leak bring it here. Good luck to the rest of you.
Are you going to take the top off at anytime or are you going to be scared that any movement of the roof might cause the leak to start again??....If they had stopped the leaks on mine, I was never going to remove the panels in fear of the dreaded leak....
My price range is anywhere from zero to $500.00.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Mike
A Doberman, German Shepherd, or Rottweiler.
Preferably bi-polar.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
-Paul
Came across a Bulldog alarm system, Jeep (well, convertible) specific. W/ interior motion sensor. Has all the bells and whistles I think would be effective and can get it for $100.00. Anyone have any experience w/ this alarm?
Thanks,
Mike
here are my main questions:
1) I drive a 2005 Dodge Neon SXT, 5-speed manual, and I have never driven a manual SUV. Is it much different than that of a sports car?
2) Pros and Cons of the 2007-2008 Wrangler?
3) We also own a 2005 Jeep liberty, Special Edition, 3.7L 4X4, 5-speed manual. Does the 2008 Wrangler drive anything like the 2005 Liberty?
Please answer ASAP!
We own a 2005 Jeep Liberty, Limited Edition, 3.7L V6. WE LOVE IT. But we gave it to our daughter when she turned 16, in 2005.
My son is turning 16 in september of this year, and he wants a Jeep Wrangler, and he told us that he wants us to surprise him. I know he likes black, and hard/soft top, but I have no idea WHATSOEVER on what options to choose, nor the trim. Please help!
Back when the TJ was new the soft top came installed just as you describe. However, Jeep recommended that the soft top be removed after purchase. As for the soft top causing the leak, who knows?
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Regarding Wrangler for your son, I'd be conscious of the distraction factor of driving it with top-down, the difference in steering a Wrangler compared to other vehicles, and highway-speed handing of it's suspension if you go with the "regular" (aka short-wheelbase) models. Even with 23 years of driving when I got my first Wrangler, I had to adjust to it's characteristics unlike any vehicle I'd ever driven. Not necessarily bad but different.
I have the "old" Unlimited (2-door) and it drives at highway speeds with less "pitch-pole" and "squirminess" than the regular length wheelbase Wrangler. I love my Wrangler's handling but in strong side winds, it can be a handful to keep in the lane. With the top down, it's easy to get distracted when you're alone let alone with three "friends" (hopefully no silliness and allowing more than there are seatbelts or the standing up while driving antics...you have to judge his maturity on those serious matters). A teenage boy with the top down in a Wrangler with his favorite music blasting away with teenage girls driving by are certainly going to give him alot to distract him from driving. Throw in the "quirks" of the Wrangler driving characteristics depending on weather conditions and a young driver had better be very "mature" his concentration. Those would be my concerns.
One other thing to think about...will he want to take it off-road? He needs to get experience with someone that knows off-roading rather than just going out with friends and making a mistake that could be serious. Then, as a dad who bought him the Wrangler, he may expect you to cover costs of repairs and if he off-roads, there will be repairs...that's just part of the "adventure"...eventually.
In terms of styles of Wranglers...it's really up to what you think your son wants to do with it. "Mall Crawlers" are Wranglers that may never see dirt or rocks unless they're going through a road construction zone on the way to the movies with his buddies or girlfriend. A hard-top might take away a little distraction factor and when he's had more driving experience, he could buy an aftermarket soft top. I'd vote for the "old" 2-door Unlimited mainly to offer slightly better highway speed stability...but I'm biased since that's what I have and they're likely to be more expensive than the many older regular wheelbase Wranglers in the market. Most folks like the regular Wranglers and I've got some buddies that think my Unlimited looks "dorky"...again, just personal preference.
Though, if you gave your daughter a "new" Liberty, maybe you'll go with the new Wrangler which I've read is a bit more "refined" than the pre-2007 models...it has the same engine as your Liberty and from what I've also read, isn't necessarily a speed-demon in the 0-60 which might be a natural "governor" to keep your son from drag-racing.
Good luck.
-Paul
You need to factor in:
- new transmission. The 4 banger tranny won't last with the I6.
- new engine wiring harness
- new motor mounts
- new fan shroud
- possibly new driveshaft for the rear
- possibly a stronger axle in back if you wheel it hard
For the effort to swap, you may as well find a SBC V8 (Small Block Chevy).
What size tires you running? If larger than stock, consider regearing the differentials to 4.56 or 4.88 (depending on tire size). While it still won't win any highway long distance drives, it will do GREAT around town.
For a comparison, I normally drive 3 hours to a wheeling spot in KY. In my wife's car, it takes about 2 hours, 45 minutes. In my TJ is right at 3 hours. Not a whole lot of difference there, so regearing may be a cheaper option (around $1k) than swapping all that extra stuff.
-Paul
31.5's are essentially 32x11.5 so regearing to 4.56 would probably help. HOWEVER, for the cost, 4.10 to 4.56 is not too cost effective, so jumping to 4.88 would be a good way to go, and you could upgrade to 33's later if you wanted.
When I opted for this, I also put in stronger shafts in the D35 in back and locked both differentials. But I DO wheel mine as well.
Any way you look at it, the 4cyl will NOT be fast, but I find with the 2.5/4.88's/33" tire setup I have, it is just fine around town. Just don't expect to win any races.
Also, if you DO choose to put in a 4.0, you will need new exhaust setup installed too. I saw a read on another forum that detailed it. If you can get a parts Jeep, you can probably sell your old 2.5L and parts from that parts Jeep you don't need and possibly come out even or ahead in cost. I MIGHT consider it if I find a good deal on a parts Jeep.
-Paul
Correct......and in addition to your earlier list you'll need to add a front driveshaft, PCM, wiring harnesses, radiator, and of course weld in new engine mounts, plus 101 odds and sods.
It's not too difficult, but it is very time consuming and you really need a complete donor vehicle to work from.
Re-gearing is a much better value, the cost being a loss of top speed plus a dollar amount that's much less than a 4.0 swap.
-Paul
I look in occasionally and cherry pick a question or two, but since the 'granulation' of the forums it's too much like hard work to do it on a regular basis.
Seems like every other question has its own thread (and I see a lot more questions than answers, unlike Before Granulation).
Looks like Consumer Reports has has confirmed what I've been seeing in the 'new' Wranglers. I think Chrysler must have fired the QC guys! It's a shame, because I really like the new design.
Sad, sad link
In fact, I'm going to add to the granulation and start a new thread: Wrangler Hits Rock Bottom
Take care
Actually, 4 bangers are kinda nice now, with gas being almost $4...uses less gas than the 6 cylinder, if you drive in the city most of the time. Nowadays, I just ride the bike, though.
If you are wanting stuff for dunes and offroad power, the 4cyl CAN do the job, but you'd be wise to consider a different gear ratio, especially if you are turning larger tires that float on top of the sand.
-Paul (owner of a 4cyl)
For 10k, you could find a nice TJ with the 4.0 i6 engine and spring suspension (vs leaf), but if you are already that much $$ into the YJ, making the sell may be hard to do.
-Paul