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  • saharanutsaharanut Posts: 134
    Thanks for your support Marie...i need all i can get.. I am gonna get that jeep just dont know when
    have some financial trouble...plus we cant agree on will the jeep be a 3rd vehicle...or trade in my truck ( i wanna trade). I've done TONS of reaseach on Wranglers..you should see my jeep folder! only left i could do is got to Ohio and watch them build it. Again I appreciate your support.. keep posting!

    saharanut
    Terry

    I have aready have a name too..TAZZ
    keep hugging
  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    You can't name it TAZZ, saharanut, because that was the name of my last Jeep. Mind you, I've never named any of my vehicles, but when I bought Wrangler #1 (a red '94) used, it had these godawful Tasmanian Devil floot mats in it, and I kept them primarily to horrify people riding shotgun. All my friends started calling the Jeep "Tazz," then started calling me "Tazz," forcing me to sell the Jeep and buy a nice conservative (grin) green-and-tan Wrangler new in 1998.

    What I am saying, then, is that somewhere Tazz lives, assuming its new owner has not wrecked it and/or removed the "colorful" floot mats. Your Jeep would have to be Tazz #2.
  • yjbobyjbob Posts: 56
    Shift point depends on the motor and on what the demands are. On a flat or a downhill, anything over idle in the next gear is OK, because the torque demands are minimal. If, however, you need torque for uphills or for acceleration, then you want to keep the motor in the "fat" part of its torque band (because this rpm has the capability of delivering the greatest accelerating force). So you shift at the upper end of the torque peak, into the lower part of the torque peak in the next higher gear.

    Went back to a Jeep brochure. The 4.0 shows a broad torque peak running all the way from 1200 to 4400 rpm. Shifting at 2 grand would put you back at the lower end of this peak (still over 210 lb-ft of torque). Thus, you can easily shift the 6 cylinder at 2 grand.

    The 2.5 is a little peakier. Older brochures showed a torque peak at about 2500 rpm, but the year 2000 brochure here in my lap shows a slightly broader peak from about 2400 all the way up to about 4400 rpm. For flats or dowhills, I shift between 2500 and 3000, which puts the motor below or near 2000 in the next gear - OK if the torque demands are minimal. For uphills, however, I shift at 3500, and if higher acceleration is necessary, I delay the shift to 4,000. The gearbox is a "wide ratio" set, and the rpm's drop quite a bit between the gears. If you need torque, it is OK to wind up a little (to 4 grand). If I do not need the torque, I try to shift so that the rpm's in the next gear are near 2 grand, because the 4-banger is not that happy below 2000.

    BTW, my 2.5 seems to be happiest and smoothest at about 2500, so that's where I cruise. Red line rpm for the 2.5 is shown at 5,400 rpm and for the 4.0 at 4,600 rpm. Never exceed these engine speeds.
  • eagle63eagle63 Posts: 599
    Hi! In case you haven't seen my Thelma Jane's web page, here's the link:


    http://members.aol.com/tjoh298765/thelma.html


    And be sure and check out my granddog's page:


    http://members.aol.com/tjoh298765/raj.html


    Thelma and Ross Allen are my two best buddies in the whole world!


    tsjay


    Have you hugged your Jeep and your dog today?

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Bought myself a set of torx wrenches and a set of metric boxed end/open end wrenches today.

    I gave Thelma Jane a real good bath after work today, and tomorrow the top comes off for sure, and if I can bring myself to do it, the doors come off too!

    I'll ge some pics.

    If there was ever a top down day, it was today! It was about 70 to 75 degrees and sunny all day today. It was one of those days that it ought to be against the law to have to work.

    I hope Ross Allen will have enough sense not to try to jump out of Thelma Jane. He has never ridden in a vehicle with the top down.

    I guess I'd better cruise around the neighborhood a little and let him get used to the idea.

    tsjay

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Hi! In case you haven't seen my Thelma Jane's web page, here's the link:

    http://members.aol.com/tjoh298765/thelma.html

    And be sure and check out my granddog's page:

    http://members.aol.com/tjoh298765/raj.html

    Thelma and Ross Allen are my two best buddies in the whole world!

    tsjay

    Have you hugged your Jeep and your dog today?
  • dwranglerdwrangler Posts: 127
    Hello,
    I am hoping to someday get a Wrangler of my own. I'm 37 and have wanted a Wrangler for years. I am currently working a full-time job and going to school at night to hopefully get a better paying job so I can afford to get my dream vehicle... Jeep Wrangler. I really like the looks of the Sahara, but have been told that I can get almost everything I want on a Sport for less money. What's the difference between the two, and what can I do to get the best deal possible? Keep in mind that I may have to wait for a year or two before I would be able to get done with school or get a better paying job before I can go dealing. I let my parents talk me out of one two cars ago, but when I am able, this time I won't let that happen. My niece rolled an old Wrangler years ago and I pointed the fact out to her that my niece was trying to drive that Wrangler like it was a regular car. I told her that anybody that drives irresponsibly for the vehicle they are driving in will roll it, you just have to change your driving style for the vehicle your driving... it's just that simple, be smart.

    Oh, something else I wanted to ask is I know that there is an option to get both tops, but if you can only afford one is the soft top o. or is the dual top option that much more than one?

    Any advice will be welcome. Thanks

    wrangler
  • yellowmanyellowman Posts: 209
    Hey thanks for that explanation of RPM's - I've been a little paranoid about my shifting style, since I'm so new to driving stick and I don't want to do anything to harm my new toy :-)
    I let my dad listen to that rattling sound tonight and he said it's because I'm lugging the engine a little and I can avoid it by revving higher before I shift. So I tried waiting until about 3,400 or so instead of my usual 2,850-3,100 range. It seemed to work, but I didn't do it enough to really tell for sure - sometimes it seemed that was it and sometimes it seemed like I could still hear the rattle. Noises aside, it's good to know I'm not doing any harm by shifting the way I am. And don't worry about me revving up anywhere near that red marker around 5,000 - that'll NEVER happen!!

    I agree about 2,500 being a comfortable cruising speed. I'm usually between 2,000 and 2,500 when I'm cruising along in city traffic - usually in third.
  • yellowmanyellowman Posts: 209
    Well, I got the ol' wash and wax for the first time today, and boy it looks good. It was starting to get kinda dusty on the hood, and because I had parked it under a tree a couple times it had these little tiny black dots here and there. It's all gone now - got a hand wash and wax for $35. I knew this was a fair price based on tsjay's washing experience. I went to one of these "car wash of the stars" places so I was a little worried it'd be pricier, but I was pleasantly surprised to find out it wasn't. I think I'll do this every third wash or so - the other times I'll just wash it on my own and save the cash.

    Oh, speaking of keeping up the looks - I ordered a duraflex full Jeep cover from Quadratec a couple days ago - $100, plus $10 for a lock. I was going to go for the weather-lite which is only $59, but the salesman on the phone said it's not waterproof.

    Next up when I get some more cash together is to have an alarm installed. Anyone have any suggestions in this regard?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    WOW! I have said before that driving a Jeep is the most fun you'll ever have with your clothes on, but topless and doorless is the most fun you'll ever have with or without cothes!

    That's the way a Jeep is meant to be configured, right? Thelma is one happy little girl right now!

    You guys will be proud of me. As I worked on loosening the first door hinge nut, I saw that I was scraping the paint off, even though I was using a rag. But, I went ahead with the job anyway. Can you guys believe that I did that? I can't. I guess I'll just have to get some touchup paint.

    I wish I could leave Thelma the way she is now, but I suppose I'd better put the top and doors back on tomorrow afternoon. I am afraid to go all the way to work (27 miles) without the top on, cause if it started raining, I would be hurting.

    Guess I'll order a couple door storage pouches and a full Jeep cover from Quadratec. There goes $200 that I really don't need to be spending right now!

    Those doors are HEAVY! I was shocked at how much they weigh. Also, lifting that hard top off was much harder than I thought it would be. It is heavy and hard to get a good grip on. You have to hold it with your arms partially extended, so that makes it seem even heavier. It is definitely not a job that you would want to do every couple days or so.

    I took some pics and finished a roll of film. I will send the film off Monday, and by the end of next week, they should be available on the photoworks.com web site. I will download them and update Thelma's web page.

    Thelma sure looks better with the doors off when the top is off. Those full doors just don't look good when the top is off.

    tsjay

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • saharanutsaharanut Posts: 134
    dont woory guy...on the looks of it..
    Tazz will never be here anyway.
    so the name is still safe for now
    dwrangler
    your in the same boat as me...
    right now i am looking at the 60th anniversary edition wrangler..its the sport with all the sahara goodies.. except that God awful interior.
    personally..i'm going with the dual tops...
    soft top for summer
    hard top for winter.
    I wish you luck...keep posting

    Look out...tsjay is going topless...

    see ya
    saharanut
    terry
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    WOW! I have said before that driving a Jeep is the most fun you'll ever have with your clothes on, but topless and doorless is the most fun you'll ever have with or without cothes!

    That's the way a Jeep is meant to be configured, right? Thelma is one happy little girl right now!

    You guys will be proud of me. As I worked on loosening the first door hinge nut, I saw that I was scraping the paint off, even though I was using a rag. But, I went ahead with the job anyway. Can you guys believe that I did that? I can't. I guess I'll just have to get some touchup paint.

    I wish I could leave Thelma the way she is now, but I suppose I'd better put the top and doors back on tomorrow afternoon. I am afraid to go all the way to work (27 miles) without the top on, cause if it started raining, I would be hurting.

    Guess I'll order a couple door storage poches and a full Jeep cover from Quadratec. There goes $200 that I really don't need to be spending right now!

    Those doors are HEAVY! I was shocked at how much they weigh. Also, lifting that hard top off was much harder than I thought it would be. It is heavy and hard to get a good grip on. You have to hold it with your arms partially extended, so that makes it seem even heavier. It is definitely not a job that you would want to do every couple days or so.

    I took some pics and finished a roll of film. I will send the film off Monday, and by the end of next week, they should be available on the photoworks.com web site. I will download them and update Thelma's web page.

    Thelma sure looks better with the doors off when the top is off. Those full doors just don't look good when the top is off.

    tsjay

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tnsnsatnsnsa Posts: 1
    I just ordered a 2001 Wrangler Sport on Friday the 13th. I ended up paying $200 over invoice. After the $500 rebate, I'm paying $300 under invoice. I was told it was going to take about 4 weeks. I can't wait! Here is what I ordered:

    Silverstone Metallic w/ black soft top & half doors.
    D package
    5-Speed manual transmission
    30 inch Tire/Canyon Wheel Pkg w/ Dana 44 & 3.73 ratio
    Trac-Lok Differential
    Air conditiong
    Floor Mats
    Fog lamps and tow hooks
    AM/FM w/ CD player and subwoofer
    Sentry key
    Bodyside steps
    Metal Add-a-trunk (not the plastic one)
    Tinted windows
  • saharanutsaharanut Posts: 134
    you know I really despise you.... j/k
    just rub it in TS...gald to hear you enjoyed you time with thelma.. how did the pooch do?
    where did you put your doors when you took them off?..did you take the top off by yourself.
    hope you & you family have a happy Easter!
    take care my friend

    Snut
  • wdubswdubs Posts: 27
    I just ordered a 2001 Wrangler Sport on Friday the 13th. I ended up paying $200 over invoice. After the $500 rebate, I'm paying $300 under invoice. I was told it was going to take about 4 weeks. I can't wait! Here is what I ordered:

    Silverstone Metallic w/ black soft top & half doors.
    D package
    30 inch Canyon Wheel Pkg w/ Dana 44 & 3.73 ratio
    Air conditiong
    Floor Mats
    Fog lamps and tow hooks
    AM/FM w/ CD player and subwoofer
    Sentry key
    Bodyside steps
    Metal Add-a-trunk (not the plastic one)
    Tinted windows
  • wdubswdubs Posts: 27
    Saharanut: Oddly enough, I just used PeopleFirst.com about 2 months ago when I purchased a VW Cabrio for my wife. There is no catch and their service is wonderful. I filled out the application, got approved, and had the check overnighted to me all in a total of 2 days. If you change your mind and don't want the loan, just tear up the check and let them know. I'm planning on applying for financing for my new Wrangler. Hope this helps you.

    Bill (wdubs)

    P.S. Try to talk your wife into trading in your truck for the Sahara.
  • wdubswdubs Posts: 27
    Saharanut: Oddly enough, I just used PeopleFirst.com about 2 months ago when I purchased a VW Cabrio for my wife. There is no catch and there service is wonderful. I filled out the application, got approved, and had the check overnighted to me in a total of 2 days. If you change your mind and don't want the loan, just tear up the check and let them know. I'm planning on applying for financing for my new Wrangler. Hope this helps you.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,764
    PeopleFirst is a partner of Edmunds (if that makes you feel any better) and we link to them from FIW. (Finance, Insurance & Warranty)

    Here's what the members are saying:Peoplefirst.com...trustworthy

    Finally, you can
    Try Our TMV Finance Rate Estimator and see what rate comes up there.

    Good luck!

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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Man, congratulations! That sounds like a GREAT Jeep you ordered!

    The silverstone was my VERY close second choice for color, and I SURE WISH I HAD GONE WITH THE SOFT TOP TOO!

    That hard top removal and re-installation ain't no fun. I found that out today.

    You're gonna love that Jeep! I wish I had ordered exactly what you got, except I think I still slightly prefer white.

    CONGRATS!

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,764
    I'd suggest you try eBay--I'm not sure, but I think there's a way to limit the auction to your geographic area. Maybe find a local club with a newsletter you could put an ad in or perhaps there's a dealer with a bulletin board for used items?

    btw, I guess I should delete your post for soliciting, but since you didn't tell people how to reach you, I guess it's ok .

    I'm tempted to tell sarahanut to buy it for a picnic table sunshade, since his better half doesn't want him to get the sheetmetal it fits on and this may be as close as he gets to getting his jeep this year :-) (sorry for picking on you sarahanut, maybe one of these days....).

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  • saharanutsaharanut Posts: 134
    Thanx for reminding my steve...
    what great host you are. Reminding us of our misfortunes in life.. j/k
    rfleck..
    I agree with steve try ebay...you can set it up so you can sell it just in the Dallas area.
    i'm sure it will sell with it still in the boxes.

    happy easter
    snut
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Bummer! Top and doors are back on Thelma.

    My cousin came over last night, and after riding around in Thelma with the top off, we put the top and doors back on.

    It was supposed to rain last night, which it did, and I thought I might as well get Thelma's top and doors put back on while I had some help.

    I am still amazed that the top is so hard to handle, even with two people. It is the akward position you have to stand in and the lack of good places to grip the top, I guess, that makes it so difficult to handle. It is not a job that you would want to do very often.

    I have a cover ordered, so I guess Thelma will have her top on at least until the cover comes in.

    That was SO MUCH FUN, though, when the top and doors were off! You guys that live in climates where you can just leave the top off all the time are LUCKY!

    Gotta get some touch up paint. Even using a rag over the nuts, it still scratched the paint off of them when I took the doors off. And, worse, I even scratched the fender right in fron of the door opening! I guess the door didn't come straight up when I lifted it off, and the bottom hinge bolt scratched the paint on the fender as it came up. Those doors are much heavier than I thought they would be! I guess I wasn't prepared for the amount of liftnig force that I was going to have to apply, and that's why I let the bottom hinge bolt get into the fender a little.

    I still want the doors off the next time I take the top off. It's just such a wonderful feeling to drive around like that!

    Happy Easter everyone!

    tsjay

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,764
    Yeah, sorry again Sarahanut. I'm beginning to know how you feel--everyone in here is having such fun with their Jeeps, I'm kinda missing my old CJ myself. Hang in there!

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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Messages and user names are not matched up right if you go back through some old messages. I guess that is part of the "hiccup" the other day?

    tsjay

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • rfleckrfleck Posts: 11
    Sorry Steve, deleted the message myself. Didn't realize posting an ad was a no no! Funny, this is the second message I've deleted here. My only other message was posted several weeks ago after purchasing my new Jeep. After wading through some 1400 messages I posted giving all the vital stats on my new Jeep and mentioned (tongue in cheek)that I had named her Martha "Calamity" Jane (maybe Thelma Jane got jealous}. After about a week with not ONE single Howdy or response I deleted my post and moved on.

    Bob
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,764
    Hi rfleck, no biggie. The members on this message board are way cool, and there are very few ads posted on here (unlike on some of the Toyota boards, for example, that tend to get in the way of the conversation). That's why I didn't kill yours.

    The boards are experiencing a lot of bugs the past few days, but the tech-support people are working hard on them. I wouldn't recommend trying to subscribe to this discussion by email either, because I don't think that feature was intended to be rolled in.

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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    rfleck:

    Hey, man, I am terribly sorry that you didn't get a proper welcome to this group. I hope by now you realize that this IS a friendly, caring bunch of people in here.

    I try to personally greet every new poster, but we had a bunch of new folks show up at about the same time, and I guess you got lost in the shuffle.

    You are certainly welcome here! And I once again apologize for the lack of a proper greeting.

    I hope you will stick around and be an active participant now. OK?

    Let's have a fresh start, OK?

    tsjay

    HAve you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    rfleck:

    I just checked your profile and saw that you are a Viet Nam vet. I was the prime age for the draft while the Viet Nam war was going on, but I had a college deferment and then a high lottery number for the draft, so I never had to go. I would have served if I had been drafted, though. I would not have dodged.

    I want to publicly thank you for your service to this country. You guys served just as nobly as the men that fought in any wars we have ever fought, and I think it is a SHAME the way many people treated you guys upon your return! You deserved a hero's welcome like the men that fought in previous wars, but you guys sure didn't get that, did you?

    Anyway, back to Jeeps. How about posting a message in Meet the Members? Please give us some info on yourself and describe that new Jeep in great detail, OK?

    Again, sorry about the bad start you had in here.

    tsjay

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    tsjay, you'll eventually break down and buy a Bestop soft top for the warm-weather months, I have no doubt. I did and swapping b/w the two tops is not that bad. Don't curse the hard top, it's way better for the winter climates some of us have to endure part of the year. It just isn't mean to be put on and off frequently.
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