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  • Okay. Here's the "official" statement from Chrysler re: massive leaking through the rubber door gaskets on both the passenger's side and driver's side of the car: "Jeep Wranglers are designed to do that."

    So let me get this straight, they are "designed" to leak water all over you when you are driving? "Yes" they said.

    This a.m. I hit the Jeep with a hose before taking it back to the dealership to make sure we still had a problem with leakage. Sure do. Water was pouring in through the rubber gaskets on the plastic door frames. POURING in, not dripping. All over the floor. All over the seats. Saturating the rugs. (And we only hit it with a hose for about 15 seconds or so.)

    Oh, and the great part is that the dealership service mgr. told me that if it leaks again (IF??? The only time it doesn't leak is when it's not raining) not to bring it back to them, because if I do, they will not open a new service order for it, as Chrysler the almighty has spoken.

    Chrysler has a massive problem here -- problem is present in 2006 models too I have found out. Anyone out there who thinks this is wrong and wants to resolve this problem, let me know. Maybe if we get a group together who have the same problem with their new Jeep Wranglers, we can get some satisfaction.
  • yjbobyjbob Posts: 56
    What tires do you have on the Wrangler your daughter was driving? My original tires (Goodyear GSA's - typical with many Wranglers) can have poor traction on dry roads and worse in the rain. I had to retire my GSA's after I lost rear traction twice. I now run Michelin ribbed "rain" tires that have good traction (even though they don't look like "Jeep" tires). It seems to me that tires lose traction as they age - as though they use a harder rubber closer to the cord and a softer rubber on the very outside layer. This deterioration of traction has also happened to my minivan tires.

    At any rate, I would consider changing if you have GSA's with more than 30,000 miles, even of they still have tread. New tires probably would improve traction significantly.
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    Wow! I've never had a problem with either my '98 Sport or my '04 Unlimited. Well, I shouldn't say that - I had water all over the floor of the Sport one time when my hubby left the window down, and I had water come in the back tailgate several times when the screws holding the latch worked loose. But I haven't had any problems since I got that fixed over a year ago at Camp Jeep.

    Good luck, and I hope that you get your problem solved.
  • Are there any differences when doing a spring over suspension lift between a manual and an automatic transmission?
    Thank you.
  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    Wow. If this really is a common problem, I'm not surprised that Chrysler would try to ignore it and deny responsibility; they certainly have chosen that course before with the cracked manifold problem. Problem is, all Jeeps do tend to leak occasionally here or there. It's not usually bad, but seems part of the nature of the beast. This sounds considerably worse, though. It also sounds like something you could see happening--what's going on, the water comes off the roof, hits the door surround and there's a sufficiently large gap that it pours inside rather than continue down over the door?
  • I am going back to the dealership this week, so I will let you know how it goes. One of the problems is the doors...they don't fit properly with gaps between the doors and the body. My passenger side door was replaced and there are no gaps and I am not having problems with that side anymore (except for a few drops around the gasket). The drivers side has a gap where the door is supposed to meet the windsheild. If I can get a door that will seal properly, the only problem that I will have is a little bit that is getting through around the gaskets on both sides. I'll just have to tackle the gaskets next if they start leaking worse. So far, my dealership has been very apologetic and has done everything they can to help...gave me a ride to work, ordered the parts without a hassle and even cleaned the carpet afterwards. They told me they would keep working with me until the problem is solved so that's about all I can ask. If I find a permanent solution to this leaking problem, I'll let you know.
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Not that I'm aware of. Transmission stays where it is, axles get relocated to under the springs. Lots of careful cutting, realignment, and welding required. Hardest part is getting sensible driveshaft angles together with suspension and steering alignment.
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    The drivers side has a gap where the door is supposed to meet the windsheild.

    Hopefully they're aware that some adjustment can be made to the angle of the windshield by adjusting the length of the tube connecting the windshield to the 'roll' bar.
  • The leaking in my Jeep goes waaaaaay beyong what would be considered "normal." Water is pouring in everytime the car gets wet. It can't be out in the rain at all and you definitely cannot wash it. (So much for the "go anywhere do anything" vehicle that Chrysler advertises. I can't even drive it down the street to the convenience store in the rain.)

    What gets me is that Chrysler's party line is now that Wranglers are designed to leak. They originally said something about a "buyback" when I spoke to a customer service rep last month -- the last time they would speak to me before writing me off and telling me to contact their corporate headquarters. Then their tune changed abruptly and they said it was my problem to deal with.

    The guys at the service dept. obviously do not feel that Wranglers are supposed to leak this way (duh) as they have been working on solving the problem for the better part of a month. They have replaced all the molding, seals, etc. around the windshield and doors, and had the doors adjusted at their bodyshop twice. No dice. In fact, I think the leaking is worse now than it's ever been. Now when water hits it, it leaks on the seats too. Used to just go dirctly to the floor and not hit anything on the way down, then pool by the drain plugs.

    And the other scary thing is that when the service manager pulled a new 2006 off the lot to test it, that Jeep leaked in the same way.
  • Sorry about your water leak. I have a 2003 Freedom Edition Wrangler with 30000 miles. No garage. Soft top in summer until Dec. 1 and then the HT goes on. NEVER a drop of water during rain, melting snow/ice. Lemon law sounds appropriate if they cannot fix the problem. Good Luck. John
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    John:

    TAKE YOUR JEEP BACK TO THE DEALER IMMEDIATELY!

    There's obviously something very wrong with it, if it doesn't leak. DC says Jeeps are designed to leak. :)

    Tom
    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • keatskeats Posts: 412
    So, I'm assuming these are soft upper doors or are they full metal? I've never had a drop of water enter my cabin with hard or soft top.
  • goducks1 is exactly right here. In fact, a Wrangler (or original Cherokee or other Jeep with a NP231 Transfer case or similar) is not all-wheel-drive (AWD). Since that's true, it's much less stable than the typical front-wheel-drive car on wet pavement, and a binding transfer case would make the situation even worse when in 4-hi. It has a higher center-of-gravity than a car, and the weight is all in the front, just like a small pickup (which it technically is if you look at the title).
    The comments about tire quality definitely ring true as well, but her driving style is simply going to have to be different than if she had a Camry.
    I have seen comments mostly in magazines about people putting an NV242 case in Wranglers (from a Grand Cherokee) to get the AWD function. Apparently, it can be done. This capability does great things, as my father's 04 Grand has the AWD, and it's marvelous when you're travelling in bad weather, but it's still a high vehicle with a high roll-center. In the end, maybe the spin was a good thing. No one was hurt, and as we've all been teens, we know that teens don't believe anything bad can happen until it does. Maybe the feeling of spinning out of control will cause her to slow down a bit, or maybe want to go driving with you in a parking lot so you can demonstrate some counter-steer techniques. Personally, I feel she'll be a much more capable driver by learning to control a Jeep, which is one of the least "watered-down" off-pavement vehicles left in production.
  • So I tried very hard to induce death wobble over the weekend. Drove the normal roads where it happens. And, to quote Tom, Yee-Haw! There was no death wobble. That being said, I'm pretty sure everyone is right when they say the new stabilizer is just masking the problem. Can't pinpoint it, but I swear I could feel the Jeep wanting to wobble. Never got the chance to try to isolate the tires as the problem. Had the tires balanced, inspected, et al. I'll swap out the GSAs at some point, and pony up for a higher end stabilizer. But for now, the problem is happily "solved."

    Always wondered if the wobble wasn't anything wrong, per say, but simply how it goes with the new Wrangler. The unique front end suspension of a utility vehicle, but compromised to make it more car-like for daily drivers. Soft rubber bushings, etc. Maybe some combination of all those things just means there's going to be wobble every now and then. Dunno.

    Could be worse I guess. My Jeep doors could be leaking.

    -Mike
  • I know it's off topic, but just for fun, here's a link to the L.A. Times write-up on the Jeep Commander. They hated it.

    http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-neil9nov09,0,2482696.story?col- l=la-home-highway1

    -Mike
  • This is a broad message concerning water pooling on the bikini top and duster back cover of my Wrangler.

    I recently moved from Oregon to Southern California and I'm thrilled I can survive without a full soft-top on during the winter. I have a bikini top with a windjammer and duster for protection from the few rain storms that come through the area each winter (its not fully covered, but enough so I don't have to worry). I have a problem with rain pooling on the bikini top and duster cover and was wondering if any other owners experienced this problem and had any clever solutions. I was thinking of purchasing some straps and ties to keep tension tight to prevent pooling, but it is just a thought.

    Thanks for helping!
  • LA Times....they can't even get their news straight, much less write about vehicles. I quit reading it as soon as he talked about his wife's 1999 Cherokee that was powered by a V6....that's VEE SIX. Enough said.
  • guy21guy21 Posts: 129
    From the number of engine, trans and now body problems that are being reported on 2005 and 2006's DC may be finding that their tooling is wearing out and not worth re investing in with the new 2007 Wrangler coming out. This may also be reflected in the warranty being reduced from 7/70 to 3/36.
  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    It doesn't do anything for me either though I've never driven one. I'm not sure why Chrysler built it since giant sport utes are a shrinking market. Loved the XJ Cherokee, it was the best looking sport-ute ever and I thought it a shame when they finally killed it. Hate the Liberty and don't care much for the Jeep Grand Cherokee either. I have a bad feeling that after the TJ is replaced next year, there won't be anything in the Jeep lineup of interest anymore. I always like the classic styling, mechanically simple, utilitarian feel of Jeep. The newer ones have lost that.
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    ........I was thinking of purchasing some straps and ties to keep tension tight to prevent pooling......

    No, that'll just give you a small puddle! You need something to push it into a slightly convex shape. There is a commercially avaliable product somewhere, but it's easy to do yourself. You need a springy strip of wood about 2" wide and 1/4" thick. It needs to be slightly longer than the width of your top, so that when you fit it between the bars above the doors it bows upwards. Fix it by attaching velcro to it, then wrapping the velcro around the bars. You can leave it as is, but I'd smooth the edges then varnish or seal it for a nicer end product.
  • I have a 2004 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited/w/soft top.
    Would like to carry a canoe on top. Would appreciate all suggestions. Thanks, spiderwebil
  • Hello Everyone,

    I am interested in buying a Jeep Wrangler.
    2001-2005, a soft-top,a 6cyl at minimum. I do not want to spend more than $10,000.

    I will not use it to offroad.

    any help or advice will be greatly appreciated.

    thanks and take care
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    There are several racks out there for soft tops, but here's a new one that might be interesting if you have the top removed completely.

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    Reasonably priced too at $99.95 from Olympic and available here 4WD.com.

    Then there's the Congo Rack from Kargo Master which costs $319.99 for the Unlimited from the same place, and can be used with a soft or hard top.

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    There's a crossbar kit for that one if you need it.

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    There's more out there if you look. :shades:
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    The most common versions, the Sport and the Sahara, should suit you nicely. You'll be looking at the earlier model years to be in your price range, but ultimately condition and service history will determine the best value. You might also come across the 'X' model which is a rather basic version of the Sport, and there are one or two other special editions available. However, the Sport model and the slightly more luxurious Sahara, are probably the ones you're most likely to come across.
  • Thanks, mac24. I'll check the rack out. I really didn't want to take the soft top off, but maybe there might be some other options. I was thinking of bumper receivers,front and back, with over the over the top extensions. I guess I could go to trailer, but really don't like that idea too much.
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Using front and rear receivers would work, but you'd need to attach to the body somewhere as well for stability, probably the windshield hinge points.
  • 99tj99tj Posts: 187
    sorry for the huge pic :blush: . I sized down my original considerably in Photbucket, but it still posted big :confuse:

    -Dan
  • To my knowledge, not related to Tom. I am originally from central Indiana, so it's not completely impossible. More than likely, it's just a result of our attempts to look like Tom Skerritt.... ;)

    BTW, most people are amazed to learn there's such beautiful country in Oklahoma. I was! (Great national forest roads, with several side spurs leading who knows where!)
  • Dan-
    I have problems manipulating Photobucket as well, but your picture seems a great size to me.
  • Greetings, Tidester: ;)

    Thanks for the correction, and for the link!
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