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  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    A good rule of thumb is to change your oil and filter every 3k or three months, whichever comes first.
  • edf4edf4 Posts: 65
    I always go by 3K miles or six months, whichever comes first. Your choice.
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    Glad to see Kermit looking so good after all that!

    Our news is equally good - they've downgraded the evac status for us, and we can return home. There's a community meeting about returning, probably outlining remaining restrictions for our area (continue to keep your cars packed, it's not over yet). It'll be interesting to see if they mention when Hungry Valley OHV area and Los Padres will re-open.

    Tom, please send us some of that rain that might be closing Turkey Bay, we really, really need it.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    It's that time of year for those of us who aren't tough enough to handle the low morning temperatures while driving along with no top and no doors on our Jeeps for the sake of enjoying the warm afternoon sunshine.

    I put Thelma Jane's top and doors back on her after work this evening in preparation for my trip to Turkey Bay in the morning. It takes an hour and fifteen minutes to get there, and that is too long to be COLD, as far as I am concerned.

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    For whatever it's worth, here is some advice for you who are new to Jeepin' and are contemplating a lift for your Jeep.

    This is not meant to be a highly detailed, technical dissertation about lifting a Jeep; it is intended to be only a quick run down of things that you should consider before deciding how high you are going to lift your rig.

    There are two main purposes that people have for lifting their Jeeps and installing bigger tires, one being for off road capability enhancement, the other being for looks. I consider either purpose to be perfectly legitimate. Some people who off road a lot get really bent out of shape over someone lifting his Jeep and never taking it off the pavement. I'm one who loves off roading his Jeep, but who also knows that Jeeps are tons of fun, even on the pavement. So, if you want to get a lift and bigger tires for your Jeep just to make it look better, I would not criticize you for that.

    Obviously, the objective of the lift is to provide extra clearance in order to accommodate larger tires. How much lift is needed depends on what size tires are going to be run. To a certain extent, it depends also on whether or not the Jeep is going to be used for more than mild off roading. Moderate or more extreme off roading usually involves a lot of axle travel, or "flex," as it is called in off road vernacular. This means that more clearance is needed for the tires, and a higher lift will be required.

    So, the first step is to decide what size tires you want to run. A stock Jeep with no lift at all will accommodate 31" x 10.50" tires, and that's as far as you can go, unless you add a lift. In this configuration, if the front sway bar is disconnected and a Jeep is taken through obstacles that flex the suspension, fender flare rubbing is a certainty.

    You should realize that going to bigger tires has the net effect of running with higher gearing (numerically lower ratio), and that is going to effect your acceleration and your ability to hold your speed on steep inclines. You may not like the power loss associated with going to bigger tires. (Some folks have their differentials re-geared to get back to the original power, but this is expensive; and, remember, you have TWO differentials to re-gear, front and rear.)

    After you have decided on tire size, then you can pick out a lift kit.

    A body lift is a good way to get one inch of extra clearance, but it is NOT recommended that anyone go over one inch with a body lift. A body lift leaves the frame and axles in the same relative position to each other and only raises the body above the frame. Body lifts can be used in conjunction with suspension lifts to get an extra inch of clearance.

    A suspension lift raises the frame further above the axles than the stock distance, and this is where some complications come into play.

    The axles are connected to the frame by control arms with fixed lengths. As the frame is pushed upward from the frame by a suspension lift, the front axle is pulled toward the back of the Jeep, and the rear axle is pulled toward the front of the Jeep.

    This happens because the front axle control arms are attached to the frame behind the front wheels, and the rear axle control arms are attached to the frame ahead of the rear wheels. The result of this is that the angles between the transfer case's front and rear output shafts and the differentials is increased. This can cause U-joints to operate outside of their designed angle range, resulting in vibrations.

    A common cheap fix is a transfer case lowering kit, which simply amounts to using spacers where the transfer case skid attaches to the frame, thus allowing the transfer case to ride lower. The more expensive, but better, long term fix is a slip yoke eliminator and a new driveshaft. A lift of two inches or less will usually not require driveline angle correction, so many folks opt for no more than two inches of lift.

    If you are not going to do more than mild off roading, then you might get away with 33 inch tires with a two inch lift, but if you are going to off road very seriously and disconnect your front sway bar for more flex, then you are certain to rub your fender flares with the tires while going through obstacles that flex your rig.

    Control arms, as stated, hold the axles in position front to rear, and trac bars hold the axles in position across the width of the Jeep to keep them centered. The trac bars are attached on one end to the axles and on the other end to the frame. Just as raising the frame higher above the axles with a suspension lift pulls the axles into new positions front to back, so will it pull the axles off center toward the side of the Jeep where the trac bar is attached to the frame. This is why people have to buy and install adjustable trac bars after installing a lift, if the lift is more than a couple inches.

    As I hope you can see, lifting a Jeep involves a lot of factors and can lead to a lot of expense. I am not trying to discourage anyone from lifting his Jeep, just trying to make folks aware of all that is involved before they begin a project, only to find that it is going to cost much more than they had planned on spending and is going to be a lot more complicated than they thought.

    Try off roading your Jeep while it is still stock. A stock Jeep will do some amazing things, and you can have a lot of fun off roading one without spending a fortune on mods. Just be sure you have tow hooks front and rear, a CB, and a good recovery strap with loops on each end (NOT metal hooks), then find some buddies and hit the trails (don't go alone).

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • Yep, he's back.

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I mentioned the problem about the control arms pulling the axles out of position when the frame is lifted higher by a suspension lift, but I forgot to mention that this problem is addressed by the inclusion of new control arms in most lift kits of four inches or more.

    New control arms may be included in your kit, but they are still items that must be changed out, and they add to the list of complications.

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    I'm not there yet, but I was a bit cold taking the shortcut through Camp Lejune last night. I am running the half doors with the floor heaters on full blast. Weather is so dang nice right now I can't even bring myself to put the full doors on. Maybe in another week or two.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    "Yep, he's back.


    I hope so, Terry.

    I think I am regaining some enthusiasm. I still had not recovered completely from losing Ross Allen when I lost Gill, who was one of my closest friends in the world, if not my best friend.

    For the benefit of those who have joined us since I stopped posting on a regular basis several months ago, Ross Allen was my dog and very best friend in the world. He loved to go Jeepin' with me and went with me every time. I had him for ten years, but I had to have him put to sleep on September 19, 2005, just a little over a year ago. Here's a link to the website I made to honor his memory.

    Gill was a Jeep friend from southern Alabama who operated a Jeep website that I hang out in with many of the same folks that I hit the trails with. Gill died of cancer on August 31, 2006.

    Gill and I hit it off from the get-go and became very good friends over the Internet before ever even meeting in person. When we finally did meet in person, it was at Turkey Bay, when Gill came up to go wheelin' with me over the Thanksgiving weekend in 2004. As much as he loved Jeeps, he had never had the opportunity to do any real off roading, since there just aren't any good places anywhere near where he lives. He had the time of his life at Turkey Bay and was like a kid in a candy store. I consider it a great blessing that I was able to be with Old Giller the first time he experienced some real wheelin'. God rest his soul.

    The last year has been a rough one for the Old Tomster.

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Tom, it is nice to see your enthusiasm returning. I see your name on my cell and I smile knowing you'll be talking Jeep!

    I saw some pics of Yellow Belly gully from Saturday. Man, that flop has me feeling uneasy about doing something like that again...

    I only hope my enthusiasm will return, albeit for different reasons.

  • keatskeats Posts: 412
    Ahh, Tomster, I thought about switching back to the hardtop this past weekend, as I usually run each top about 6 months. But, I couldn't. The weather was too perfect and I had the top down all weekend. It was awesome.

    It's hard to beat driving around with the top down and some Sinatra blairing from the cd player.
  • Keats. Keep that top down for as long as possible. Frank would want it that way. John
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    The picture is awfully small, but it looks like a picture of your windshield header. I assume you are asking about the "footman loop," which is that little thing that looks like a handle.

    That thing is used for securing the windshield to the hood to keep it from banging when it is folded down. Those little knob-like things on the hood are for the folded-down windshield to rest on, and that loop thing gives you a place to run a strap through to secure the windshield.

    Not too many people fold down their windshields, though.

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 42,910
    Here's a bigger photo from Brazuca's CarSpace album.

    I have some plastic footman loops screwed into the interior of my minivan to use as tie-down points for bungie cords. Handy gizmos.

    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me -

  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    Great explanation of what goes into a lift. Once I found out about some of the things you have to think about, I gave up the idea of lifting mine. However, a couple of weeks ago we turned around on an otherwise relatively easy trail because we didn't have enough ground clearance. That's the first time I've really wished for more!

    So autumn has arrived! We actually had rain Sunday - thank you, Tom, for sending some of that wet stuff our way. It dampened things down and while it wasn't a huge amount, I'm sure it helped all those wonderful firemen who did such an awesome job around my little neck of the woods, saving everyone's homes.

    If there's any Jeepers out there who are fire fighters - you certainly have my respect! So many guys who had to pick up and leave on a moments notice, to spend days in high heat against a big fire, camping under the stars miles from their homes (they even came from New York City, a long way from California) - that's real dedication!
  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    Like folks said, Jeep put it there to tie down the windshield onto the hood, but most folks will instead end up using it at some point with a bikini top.
  • brazucabrazuca Posts: 95
    Guys, thanks for the tip. I believe the previous owner used it with a bikini top, I just don't know how it would work. I don't think it was used to hold the windshield down. Let's see, I will use it next summer most likely.
  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    Most bikini tops have a strap that comes back from the roll bar to that footman loop on the windshield to tighten it down, like so:
  • brazucabrazuca Posts: 95
    Thanks for the picture, now I can see how it works. Great !
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    As far as I know, ATF+4 is still only made by Mopar, i.e. there's no generic alternative as there is for most other transmission types. However, I noticed a shelf of it in Wal-Mart today at under $5 a quart. Your mileage may vary of course.

    Just thought I'd let you know. :)
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    For those of you that get 'Speed', there's a half hour 'Test Drive' of the Unlimited at 9.00pm ET this evening (and repeated over the next few days).

    Speed 'Test Drive' Link
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Round about now, give or take. If you order one it'll take six to eight weeks.

    (P.S. Inside voice please, all caps is SHOUTING!)

  • nolid5nolid5 Posts: 148
    I drove by one of the larger Jeep dealers in my area (MA) and it had 2 Unlimiteds out front - 1 red X with hardtop and 1 silver Rubicon with softtop. Both looked really sharp.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    hehehe The local dealer told me that Rubicons come on 35's. :) I had to correct him that it came with 32's but with a small 2" lift could fit 35's w/o too much effort.

    They wanted my little ol' TJ. I told them no way.

    They asked if I liked the 4 door. I said for onroad, yes. Offroad no. They seemed totally perplexed. I told them that given the Unlimited's wheelbase and width it was adequate offroad, but that breakover angle and shallower departure angle could create some issues where I wheel. I told em SWB for offroad.

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    A goup of KJ's (Liberty's) will be coming to Turkey Bay tomorrow.

    You just never see any of them on the trails at Turkey Bay, and it will be very interesting to see their capabilities.

    Most of the guys who are coming down have done some mods, but I think at least one Libby will be stock.

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • keatskeats Posts: 412
    Where are the pics?
  • keatskeats Posts: 412
    Well, I put the hard top back on yesterday. I have a buddy who always helps me get it back on. After mine was on, we went and put the hard top and full doors back on his CJ. It is amazing how much better the hard top design is in my 04.
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