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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Glen:

    DO IT!

    Thos Moab wheels are beautiful, and the MT/R's are supposed to be great tires. That's actually a pretty good deal you are getting, too.

    Gotta post some pics after those puppies are installed.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Billy, I (and others) didn't say it wasn't possible, just that it wasn't a good idea.

    If you alter the headrail fixings it can be secured. However, as was pointed out before, the '03 Wrangler vents the interior through the tailgate. Your '02 vents through the hardtop. If you fit an '03 hardtop to your '02 then the HVAC will function very poorly except on recirc, and you'll find it tough to close the doors if the windows are shut.

    But, you've heard all this before (see messages #15765, #15769,#16345) and you'd like a different answer, so................perhaps someone else can chime in and alter the facts a little for you!

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  • embeedueceembeeduece Posts: 260
    If I recall from my days in New England, what we're really talking about when we discuss CT drivers are Boston drivers and New York drivers. Ugh. I know that "brace for impact" feeling all too well.

    I can't tell you how many times in the course of a day I see accidents (and narrowly avoid many of them). I hope I never have to put the roll bars to the test, but I'm glad they're there.

    Road Rage is a big problem in L.A. (and everywhere else apparently) but I find being in the Jeep to be most therapeutic. There's no point in getting upset on the road because, even if I wanted to, there's no way I'm going to catch the a-hole in the Porsche. So I drive as I drive, aloof and secure in my Wrangler perch. One eye on the road, and one eye on the idiots in the rear view.

    I still get irked too at the lack of police presence on the road, and the knowledge that these idiot drivers share the road with my mom who drives the speed limit in her Honda Accord.

    Too bad about the plate frame, but as you said, coulda been a lot worse. Glad you (and the Jeep) are okay.

    -Mike
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    I've noticed that many drivers on city streets don't seem to want to get too close to the Wrangler - could be all that steel it has. However, that doesn't hold true on the freeways - someone recently must have been so impressed with my Green Giant that they wanted to become my hood ornament - they came over into my lane right on top of us. Actually, I'm sure he wasn't paying any attention to us - he was getting pulled over by the highway patrol, so first he cuts us off (and nearly hits us), then pulls over to the right shoulder while still going pretty fast. I cringed when I heard him lock up his brakes as he suddenly noticed that another highway patrolman had a car pulled over right in front of him. I have no idea what he did originally but I'm sure they probably nailed him for at least another couple of traffic violations.

    Drive safely out there - it really is a jungle. And be glad you're driving a heavy-duty, well built vehicle.
  • jeff62301jeff62301 Posts: 310
    My girlfriend has caught it now,,,

    she not the type of person to go at anything slow,, she's decided she wants one, it would not surprise me if she calls tonight and says there is jeep in her driveway.

    I'm trying to convince her to do all her homework (I'm even offering to do most of it for her) on pricing and options. But as everyone here knows,,once you've decided to buy a jeep,, its hard to be patient.

    jeff
  • jeff62301jeff62301 Posts: 310
    changed my oil over the weekend, 4000 miles on mobil 1. its really black. I took it to Autozone for recycling, the guy there even commented on it, and for them to say its black, I"m assuming its much blacker than normal. I would guess they see oil coming in with alot more miles than mine.

    any thoughts / concerns???

    i dropped the service dept where i bought Nicole an email yesterday, but no response yet..

    jeff
  • Hey everyone,

    Does anyone know if the 05' Rubicon soft top is always a Sunrider top (sun roof)? in both by itself and when you get the dual top option? thanks {{{Mike}}}
  • Does the 4:1 Rock-Trac Part-Time 4WD System & "Tru-Lok" pneumatic locking frt/rear differentials with rear limited-slip work the same in 03'-05' Rubicons? Thanks {{{Mike}}}
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Jeff:

    Chill. The dark oil isn't a sign of trouble. It concerned me too, but enough people told me not to worry that I didn't. I first encountered the dark oil on my 99 Grand Cherokee with the 4.0 L engine. I don't know if that just happens with synthetic oil or not... can't remember now what people were saying back then.

    Anyway, I am convinced that the oil turning dark is not an indicator of any kind of trouble. I'll try to find some posting on the subject to pass along.

    Mac???? Help us here.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    #1049 of 2730 Help me out here, guys! by tsjay Dec 28, 2001 (7:17 pm)
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    You folks that are experienced with synthetic oil and extended drain intervals ought to be able to answer a question for me.

    I have Mobil 1 10W-30 in my 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport. The oil has turned very, very dark after several months. Is this normal? The engine only has about 3500 miles on it since the last oil change, but a lot of time has gone by (I think about six months).

    I was drving the Jeep daily to work, which is a 27 mile drive one way. Since almost all of my miles are highway miles, I was going with 5K intervals and Mobil 1 oil.

    In mid July, I bought an '89 S-10 pickup to drive to work, and the Jeep now gets very few miles put on it. It sits in the garage up to two weeks at a time without even being started. I try to pick a dry day so it won't get dirty and drive it to work one day a week, but if there is a lot of rain, I may skip a week.

    OK, I know it's a Jeep and I shouldn't be afraid to get it dirty, but if I have a choice two vechicles to drive to work, and one is clean and the other dirty, I drive the dirty one when the roads are wet.

    The question is, should I be concerned about the dark color of the oil? (it is black) Apparently it is just the time factor causing the dark color, since I have only put about 3500 miles on that oil.

    When you guys go 7K or 10K on your intervals, is your oil real dark after a few months?

    Really would appreciate hearing from some of you.

    Thanks

    tom


    Ok, I found that post in the "Engine Oil: A Slippery Subject" forum (think that was the name). It looks like I noticed the dark oil in Thelma Jane, not in my Grand Cherokee, like I said above.

    Follow the thread for the next couple pages after that post. I got some good replies. It seems like the 4.0 L just turns oil dark for some reason. Not a problem.

    Tomster

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?

    P.S. Notice that I said that I didn't drive Thelma Jane if it was raining? GEEZ!
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    My girlfriend has caught it now,,,

    she not the type of person to go at anything slow,, she's decided she wants one, it would not surprise me if she calls tonight and says there is jeep in her driveway.

    I'm trying to convince her to do all her homework (I'm even offering to do most of it for her) on pricing and options. But as everyone here knows,,once you've decided to buy a jeep,, its hard to be patient.

    jeff

    Marry her! QUICK!
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,968
    There are some outfits that will analyze an oil sample for you for around $10 - might be fun to do when then new stuff you just put in gets around 3,500 miles on it.

    Steve, Host
  • Slight problem just occurred with the putting 31" tires on Unlimited so need some actual experience from others. Has anyone put new 31X10.5 Goodyear or BF Goodrich tires on an Unlimited without spacers or lifting it? And have you done some serious off-roading over rocks and ruts and rough country without them rubbing on the fenders or on tight turns? I'll explain later what the problem is...just need to hear from others first. Thanks...........
  • 99tj99tj Posts: 187
    thanks guys. A few years ago(when I had a Mustang) I would have tried to chase him down. I guess I've chilled out behind the wheel these last couple years.
    Gman- I'd probably lose my mind driving in LA.

    How about something more positive...... I changed the oil myself for the first time on this Wrangler and it felt good. It helped that it was 70 yesterday. I made the switch to Mobil 1 as well. I've got around 54,000 miles on her and figured it can't hurt to make the switch to synthetic. My old oil was also really black.

    Question though - Couldn't find a Mobil 1 filter, so I went with the Fram. Any opinion on this Filter? Is there really a big difference between the "cheap" and the more expensive filters?

    -Dan
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Keith:

    I have a buddy at work who owns a 97 Wrangler Sport and runs 31 x 10.50 BFG Muds on his factory Grizzly wheels (15" x 7" wheels with 5.5" backspacing). He has no lift at all on his Jeep. He disconnects his sway bar for wheelin', and he gets only very minor rubbing.

    I have a two inch lift and run the same size tires, and I get some pretty bad rubbing on the flares. Thelma Jane's flares on the front fenders are pretty wrinkled from the rubbing. The differnce between my Bud and me is that he has the factory 5.5" backspacing, while I run after market wheels (AR 767s) with only 4" of backspacing. My tires stick out past the flares and get into the flares at full stuff with the wheels turned, but his tires stay inside the flares at full stuff. Now, if he turns the wheel, he can get a little rub.

    You can go with the 31 x 10.50 tires, Keith, and stay with your Moab wheels. I would not recommend that you disconnect your sway bar, though, for wheelin', unless you don't mind some rubbing and possible distortion of your flares.

    You can see from the pics below how the front tire stuffs inside the flare, but if the wheels were turned to the left or right, the tire would get into the flare. You can also see the awesome flex I get when the sway bar is disconnected! It sure evens out the ride. Look at the angle of the front axle and how level the cabin is. Now imagine if the whole Jeep was at the same angle as that front axle. I would feel like I was about ready to tip over. That guy there was so overwhelmed by the amount of flex I get that he passed out. :)

    Tomster

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?

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  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Briefly, the blacker the oil the more contaminants it's holding in suspension, which is a good thing. The largest particles get removed by the filter, the rest get removed with the oil itself when it gets changed. The 4.0 is an old design with larger clearances than a modern engine. This means more piston blow-by, therefore more contamination, which is a good reason not to extend oil change intervals.

    Regarding oil filters, yes there's a difference between cheap and expensive. However, there are some good cheap ones, like Wal-Mart's own brand (SuperTech), and there are some (like Fram's cheapies), that I'd never install.
  • 99tj99tj Posts: 187
    Thanks for the filter info.
    I bought the Fram "Tough Guard" version. I'll look around a little harder next time for the Mobil 1 or the Supertech.

    -Dan
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    "Does anyone know if the 05' Rubicon soft top is always a Sunrider top (sun roof)? in both by itself and when you get the dual top option? thanks"

    The Sunrider option is only available on an Unlimited, not the short wheel base Wranglers. So it would be available on an Unlimited Rubicon but not a regular Rubicon. It is the way the Unlimited's soft top is designed, so as far as I know, you would get any Unlimited with a soft top with it, regardless of whether it is a soft top only or dual top. I think it's really neat - I've used mine a couple of times.
  • trew123trew123 Posts: 4
    Just wanted to drop a line to all here to say thanks! I ordered a new Sport about three weeks ago with all of the options that I want. I have always wanted one and since I put my foot down and told my wife that I am getting what I want this time (read: wife and 2 kids approved), my new patriot blue soon-to-be big tired baby is on its way! This group has helped me figure out what I want to add / disregard etc. that I just say thanks!

    Trew
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Trew:

    Welcome and CONGRATULATIONS on that new Sport!

    If we have been a help to you, then that's super. Glad we were of assistance.

    Stick around and be part of the family.

    I'm sure happy for ya! I know you are gonna love that Jeep.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
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