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  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,916
    Don't forget Bamatazz; he hasn't checked in for months though. Guess he's swamped making all that BBQ.

    That's a good pic of the Jeep sitting on its tail Tom - you can just barely see the cable from the front bumper to that tree when you blow it up a lot (just like The Gods Must Be Crazy). ;)

    Steve, Host
  • Radial tires only want to be rotated from front to back and vice versa. The reason is that radial tires get used to rotating in one direction and may get really squirrely if run opposite. The right way to rotate all 5 would be to mark the rotation of every tire and dismount and flip the appropriate ones to keep spinning in the right direction. Of course with white letter tires this may look goofy from time to time. When I was in the tire business back in the seventies we always left spares in the trunk because it was just too much hassle and expense to switch everything around. Soon after that the pissy little donut spares came out in passenger cars.
    Of course if you are running bias-ply mud bogger military tires...never mind.
    Alan in the desert
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Tom described DogLeg pretty well. The left turn is somewhat greater than 90 degrees, so sometimes a 3 pt turn is required. :) Combine that with the rutted terrain at the turn and the noses frequently come up.

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    I have not gone to jeepgallery in a while, so it may not be there any more.

    I'd be happy to convoy up to TB with ya sometime. Probably not during Xmas break for my son though. Just not enough free time on the weekends - MAYBE new year's weekend.

    But I'd love to do the convoy sometime!

    As for installing a lift, my 2.5" OME (3" actually) has been very good. I did have driveline vibes with it tho (NP231 tcase and D35 rear) so I had to do the tcase drop until I did my JKS body and motor lift.

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    With that said though, a 2" lift has NEVER stopped Tom. :) The only thing you'd want to consider with these 'smaller' lifts is probably more underside armor.

    To help compensate for the smaller lift, I'm doing a tummy tuck to raise the t-case out of the way a bit more so it will only drop an inch from the frame instead of the 3-4" it does now. This will help with rocks and breakover angles.

    All of my lift work was done totally alone (both the suspension and the body/motor lift) and I am NOT the most mechanically inclined. I firmly believe in doing as much as possible myself so I can learn and understand my rig that much better.

  • If I was just around the corner, I would probably be there all the time. How is there reputation? I always see something I like and if I ever get another Jeep I may try Collins.I check their site out all the time. Hopefully, I will have my '03 for many years to come. Thanks, John
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Radial tires only want to be rotated from front to back and vice versa................When I was in the tire business back in the seventies............

    While that may have been true in the seventies, it's no longer the case. As detailed in the Owners Manual, the correct rotation pattern is: rears directly to the front, fronts diagonally back to the rear.

    Tire construction has come a long way in the last 30+ years and there is no longer a problem with the belts taking a 'set' within the carcass.
  • keatskeats Posts: 412
    Jefferson1964, You bought a Rubicon, right? I say don't skimp on the lift. I can understand someone on a tight budget, maybe with an older rig doing that, and I think that's fine, but your Rubi should have better. Spend another 4 and a half bills and get an Old Man Emu, which should get you an extra half inch or better of lift.
  • cbeascbeas Posts: 14
    I'm a lurker here and don't post very often, but I thought I'd share my Christmas parade get up with everyone. We had a great time in our local Christmas parade. Although the kids may have wounded a couple of people along the parade route with the candy they were throwing.

    Randy & Paul...I'm in Alabama too. I live in Helena just south of Birmingham. I'm only about 50 miles from you in T-town Randy. I grew up there and have alot of friends there.

    I haven't done any real offroading yet with my jeep but maybe we can do that sometime.

    Merry Christmas everyone!


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  • wpowellwpowell Posts: 125
    First of all, let me say that I a relatively new to the Jeep thing and have no personal experience with lifts; so consider the source. With that disclaimer out of the way, I am also shopping lifts for an LJ Rubicon. I think I have settled on the OME lift that keats suggested and will likely buy it from here:

    OME Lift

    (hope that worked, never posted a URL)

    These guys at seem very knowledgable and have offered to work with me to match spring rates to my Jeep, i.e. factor in the weight of my rig based on hardtop/softtop, winch, bumpers, etc.

    I would welcome feedback as well as I am several months away from pulling the trigger on a lift. I plan to go to 33x12.00's or 12.50's. Specifically, does anyone have an opinion on 8" vs. 10" rims with this tire size? I run a lot of sandy terrain and need lots of flotation, but I'm concerned about stuffing 10" rims under there with the OME and a 1" body lift. Any bearing longevity issues as long as I get the backspacing right? Thanks, as always!!

  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    I head down the B-ham on my way to Destin or if I wanna go get Jim and Nicks BBQ. :)

    Maybe for one of the Greyrock trips we could meet, but I'd love to have you guys go to TB sometime. Family is ALWAYS welcome and encouraged. We have several in our group that bring their wife and kids. My wife wheeled with me for Tom's Ross Allen memorial run in October!

    Nice rig and Christmas setup. Still stock? I like that rack on the back! :) Did you take the pic with a self timer or did somebody do it for ya? :)

  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Mark, first of all, DPG is a GREAT GREAT place to buy from. Dirk knows his stuff and is probably the biggest OME dealer in the US. Excellent choice on vendor and dealer.

    I too am going to 33's. I have the OME lift. I am on a regular TJ, but have the HD shocks up front and the Unlimited HD shocks in the back. I have a winch, aftermarket bumpers, skids, etc to work that weight even though I have a 4cyl and a softtop (lightest stock combination). It runs great.

    With 33's though, I hope you are ordering the Body lift. OME is perfect for 32x11.5's if you have no body lift, but 33's will probably need that lift. If you got his deluxe kit, you'll be getting that lift stuff.

    The 8" rims are perfect for the 33x12.5's, especially if you offroad it. The narrower rim holds the tire's bead much better than the wider rim - go figure.

    If you are running the stock rims with 5.5" of backspacing, you will need to do one of two things:
    - replace the wheels with wheels with less backspacing (like around 4 to 4.25"). These will stick out further and keep the tires from rubbing your spring perches or your control arms when turning.
    - get hub-centric wheel spacers (like Spidertrax). This was my route and I'm running the Canyons. I am, however, on 30" tires still - waiting to regear soon. :)

    Here's mine with the lift and BL/MML installed.

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    If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

  • cbeascbeas Posts: 14
    A neighbor took the photo for us. The rack on back of my jeep is a 24" x 60" (i think) rack for a 2" receiver. I think it's made by Valley Industries. It's been great for trips to the beach, picking up stuff at Home Depot, etc.

    Right now I'm still stock except for the 31" BFG A/T's. I'm considering an OME lift and a 1" body lift eventually. There are so many things I'd like to do but can't make up my mind where to start.

  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Been there done that on the don't know where to start.

    I took the approach of Where do I want to be?

    I knew I wanted it to daily drive.
    I knew I wanted good on road manners.
    I knew it couldn't get too big - my wife still drives it some.
    I knew I wanted protection from offroading and the occasional taps in the parking lot.
    I knew I'd take it camping with my son and would want self recovery.
    I knew I wanted clearance.
    I knew I wanted mine to look different from others.

    I researched those things and came up with the plan I have been using. Now only the tummy tuck, bigger tires/regear, stronger axles shafts for the 33" tires, some armor (engine, rear corners, front fenders), and LED lighting are left to be done.

  • wpowellwpowell Posts: 125
    I agree, it is tough to prioritize. Here is my current plan in the order I plan to go:

    - Winch ( cheap Chinese, identical to the Black Mountain, done)

    - Rear bumper/tire carrier from Body Armor (ordered; will be here this week.

    - Rocker protection, again Body Armor (free w/rear bumper, on the way)

    - OME Lift w/ 1" BL (planned for March)

    - 33's on 16" aftermarket wheels (planned for later in the year)

    - Front bumper (future, not a big priority right now)

    I would have done the lift before the rear bumper, but my wife is 5'1" and has to climb up into the stock height Jeep now. The rocker guards have a kick out that will serve as a step (ala running boards) and Quadratec was including them with the overpriced, but very cool, rear bumper through 12/17. This Jeep thing is a slippery slope and I'm not sure where the upgrades end. But I have always had boats so at least me wife is accustomed to the nutty explanations of large, seemingly unnecessary "upgrades".

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591

    I don't remember if I welcomed you back in August when you first posted, but in case I didn't...


    Nice looking family, and it looks like everyone enjoys that Jeep.

    Bring the gang up to Turkey Bay sometime, and I will be glad to serve as your trail guide. I won't get you into extreme stuff, so don't worry about that.

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    I hear ya on those - they sound like a good plan.

    Those Road Armor bumpers are huge and beefy!

    As for the 16" wheels, any particular reason for 16 vs 15? 33x12.5x15 will be a MUCH cheaper and easier to find tire than 33x12.5x16.

    I'd honestly rethink the Chinese winch. T-Max is out of Australia (not sure where built though) and seem to have excellent numbers especially when compared to Warn. May be worth a look-see.

    I understand how boats could be along these lines. :)

  • New to this board, just came across it. Just wanted to say hi to my fellow Central Alabama Jeepers!! I am actually about 2 feet away (literally!) from Helena in Pelham. I will have to keep my eyes out for your jeep! I drive a silver 2005 Rocky Mountain Edition. Have a Merry Christmas!
  • wpowellwpowell Posts: 125

    Thought long and hard about the cheap winch and considered the advice I got from the group here. In the end, I bought the $300 winch vs. not having one any time soon. If I see that I will actually use it I may upgrade at some point. To date it has been a hood ornament.

    You also have a good point about 15" wheels. My preference is 16" which are getting cheaper and more commonplace every day, but I will definitely weigh the cost vs. 15" as you suggest. It may be this time next year before I can justify the wheel/tire upgrade.

    I plan to get the Jeep on the beach over the holidays and hope to have some photos to post. Anyone else getting off the pavement?

  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Did some diving in the quarry down there back in August. :)

    Otherwise, I fly by as I'm on my way to Destin.

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Welcome, Jon Robert. Make yourself at home.

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • Well ive never ordered online from collins brothers as its close by, but I purchased some parts in store that just would not work with a friend of mines jeep and had no problem taking them back. Nice people....
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