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2008 Infiniti M35

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  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    horrendous gas mileage by Infiniti was one of the main reasons I did not buy one - instead buying a BMW. Infiniti needs to get off the "we can make our 3.5L go faster than yours by transmission and final gear ratios" kick. They may be fast, but they suck gas, and the kudos for those days are over. If the 08 M does not have some salutes to gas mileage, via a SIX speed auto, or other efficiencies, in this econo environment, they will become an asterisk. EVERY other auto manufacturer understands this.
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    I've enjoyed every minute of the 2+ years I've had my M but I'll not get another unless the gearing issue is resolved and respectable fuel economy improves. I can afford the fuel ... all of us who sprung for $53K cars can ... but it's an annoyance and Infiniti's arrogance NOT to address those issues has me looking another direction when this lease is up. I may even go hybrid! Bart :(
  • kalskals Posts: 4
    Infiniti have released info on the 08 M. Same engine and transmission. Here is a cut and paste. For the full go to nissannews.com:

    For 2008, the Infiniti M receives major upgrades that include the first-ever availability of Infiniti’s intelligent ATTESA E-TS all-wheel drive system on the 4.5-liter V8-powered M45. The new model, designated M45x, joins the M35x to provide buyers with two choices in all-climate AWD performance.

    Other enhancements for 2008 include revised interior and exterior styling and added luxury amenities and technologies, including the production debut of Infiniti’s newest safety technology, the Lane Departure Prevention (LDP) system. LDP takes Infiniti’s existing Lane Departure Warning system (currently implemented on the FX and the 2007 M sedan) one step further by utilizing the Vehicle Dynamic Control to apply slight brake pressure to the wheels opposite the side of the lane departure direction to help prevent the M from inadvertently traveling out of its travel lane.

    The M45 continues to offer a 325-horsepower 4.5-liter aluminum-alloy DOHC V8, while the M35 features the award-winning VQ-series 3.5–liter V6, tuned for the M to produce 275 horsepower. For the new model year, both engines will be offered with rear-wheel drive and Infiniti’s intelligent ATTESA E-TS all-wheel drive system. For 2008, previous M Sport models have been replaced by an available Sport Package.

    Enhancements to the 2008 M include:
    - New M45x AWD model with intelligent ATTESA E-TS all-wheel drive
    - Production debut of Infiniti’s Lane Departure Prevention (LDP) system
    - Revised front and rear fascia, headlights, grille, rear decklid and taillight design, rear fender panels, new chrome accents
    - New wheel designs
    - Available Sport Package with unique styling, Rear Active Steer (RAS), 19-inch wheels and tires
    - Increased differentiation between Sport Package and non-Sport Package vehicles with unique bumpers, side sills, headlight color and wheels
    - Rain sensing wipers
    - Infiniti Hard Drive Navigation System with touch-screen, 9.3GB Music Box hard drive for digital music storage and playback and available XM NavTraffic® (requires active XM® subscription, sold separately)
    - Revised interior and revised aluminum and wood trim
    - Standard High Intensity Discharge (HID) xenon headlights with Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS) (optionally available on M35 AWD)
    - Standard climate-controlled seats
    - New Stone interior color
    - New white instrument panel lighting with violet accents and white and violet interior lighting
    - Standard XM Satellite Radio (requires XM® subscription, sold separately)
    - Six new exterior colors (out of eight total)
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    while I am sure that the 08 M changes will be beneficial, I think that Infiniti will witness declining sales specifically because they refused to address the gas mileage issue. People have been complaining about this since the car was introduced, and there are some relatively easy solutions to maintain good performance and improve cruising MPG (e.g. six speed transmission). We'll see what happens, but I doubt that their sales will improve because of these changes.
  • kalskals Posts: 4
    I have to agree with you 100% Pearl. The gas mileage issue should have been addressed. I don't think they can drop in a six speed auto because they don't have one in the parts bin. Correct me if I am wrong but there are currently no six speed auto Nissans or Infinitis. Perhaps if they had dropped in the revised 3.5 V6 they could have taken advantage of its better torque curve and thus tweaked the gear ratios a little for better economy. Sales are going to stay flat at best or go down.

    On a side note I wonder what sort of mpg's the new M45x will yield.
  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 968
    Really unexciting news! My M35 lease will be up in 15 months and I was anticipating moving into the '08 M...but not with these changes.

    1) The obvious negative is no changes to the engine or transmission...Where is the 3.7, where is the 6 speed or CVT...and where is the fuel economy improvement? What is Infinity thinking? I guess they are abandoning the M for 2008 expecting the G to make the money. I am going to bet that the 08 M is a very short model year and the 09 comes out (very) early.

    2) White and lavender instruments? I wonder if they did any market research? Sounds incredibly ugly for a luxury car.

    3) every M owner I know turns off the current lane change system. With the "improvements" which will cause the car to turn back into the current lane, it sounds almost dangerous if you are actually trying to change lanes. I guess it works, but I can't imagine anyone using it except to demo to friends.

    4) Finally, rain sensing wipers....wow, what a technology improvement.

    I'll be moving to a Lexus or returning to a BMW for my next car.
  • ohmarkohmark Posts: 3
    Any news at to what the new colors are?
  • ocimocim Posts: 45
    I agree. I have no idea what the heck Infiniti is thinking. I liked the M35X after test driving. I thought that it had much more luxurious appointments over the competitors (BMW 530, Acura RL, Lexus GS, etc. I also thought it had better in handling than the BMW. However, I never drove the car on the open highway. There are too many complaints here about the car revving too high at 70mph. This really concerns me. Even 4 cylinders don't rev that high anymore, let alone a luxury car. I think the excessive engine hum would really get to me on long trips. I had a 91 Honda Prelude that I had to get rid of because of high revs at highway speeds. I swore I would never buy another car like that again. Too bad, because the M was really roomy - something that is also important to me.
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    ghstudio, I am sure that you are correct that Infiniti does not have a six speed in their parts bin to "drop in"; however, they have heard the complaints about higway noise and poor fuel economy since the new M was introduced three years ago and have done nothing (including buying one from another manufacturer which many others already do). Nearly all other manufacturers are moving to six speed (or more) transmissions. Even if Nissan/Infiniti concluded that they could not/would not develop one, there are plenty of other things they could do, such as reduce the overall axle ratio, or drop the ratio of the final fifth gear in the present transmission, or try to reduce the vehicle weight, etc, etc. Infiniti seems very arrogant to me on this issue. For 08 there will be numerous other cars with similar performance AND better mileage. To me, Infiniti is behaving like having your neighbor tell you that your house is on fire, but continuing to sit there and watch your favorite TV show.
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    I got my M as one of the very first delivered in Tucson ... April 1, 2005. I've not had a moment's problem with it but am very disappointed that they've turned a deaf ear to the myriad of legitimate (and fairly easy to fix) "issues" raised by otherwise very happy owners. Have they fixed the passenger seat? I'll find out today ... mine's going in for an oil change. Gearing not addressed. Fuel economy not addressed. A recipe for taking a stunningly good beginning and turning it into yet another failure. I'd expect this kind of stubbornness from the Germans but not the Japanese. Very distressing. I'll buy American before I buy Infiniti or Lexus (again) if this is the best they can do. 12 months and mine's gone. Bart.
  • bruceomegabruceomega Posts: 250
    I had been considering the M35x as a replacement for my '06 330Xi (wanted more room and a smoother ride). From what I had read, there were things I liked about the M35x (handling / performance, looks, value, room), but also some aspects that were causing me to hesitate, primarily highway engine revs, supposedly a little rougher ride than a 5 series, and slighly noisier cabin.

    Before I got around to test driving an M35x, BMW announced the 2008 5 series models and I ordered a 535Xi immediately after a test drive (just picked it up last night). I felt the twin turbo engine would make the 535Xi more of a competitor to the M45 than the M35; the M45x was still an unconfirmed rumor; the 535Xi was available now (although it is expensive), and I have rarely seen any criticism of the ride, noise, and handling of a 5 series.

    I was also concerned that Infiniti would upgrade the engine in the M35x to either the one in the new G series, or even the 3.7 engine in the new G35 coupe, and did not want to pay that much money for a car that could soon have last year's engine.

    The M45x sounds exciting. I'll be anxious to see what others think, and hope I don't get buyer's remorse!

    Bruce
  • bw45sportbw45sport Posts: 151
    however, they have heard the complaints about higway noise and poor fuel economy since the new M was introduced three years ago and have done nothing..... Infiniti seems very arrogant to me on this issue. For 08 there will be numerous other cars with similar performance AND better mileage.

    I certainly would agree that it would be nice if gas mileage were improved across the Infiniti lineup. However, I'm a little at a loss as to why this is such a gigantic problem for everyone.

    As I have noticed in the various threads, most posting here are very capable of computing actual costs of ownership, leasing, etc. So, if you apply that same mathematical ability to actual fuel costs perhaps you'd stop wringing your hands.

    1. Assume that you drive 15,000 miles/year, which is greater than the national average of just less than 12,000 miles.

    2. Assume that the Infiniti M45 manages only 16mpg in combined driving. Unless you drive incredibly aggressively or on ultra-short hops with cool down periods in between this should easily be achievable. Even when I make mostly 5 mile in-city drives with long cool down periods between trips I can average 16.5mpg.

    3. Compare the above mileage to the car which achieves the best mileage of the bunch, most likely the Audi A6 4.2FSI. Allow us to be generous and give the Audi it's predicted "combined" mileage, 20mpg.

    4. Cost to fuel the M45 - 15,000/16 * $4/gal = $3,750/yr.
    Cost to fuel the A6 - 15,000/20 * $4/gal = $3,000/yr.

    So, assuming even worst case scenarios for the M45 (short hop all city driving) and using the EPA combined figures for the A6, you find that you'd spend an extra $750/yr for gas on the M45 assuming $4/gal gas. I can guarantee you, at least in my case, the actual spread would be far less than this.

    Now, let's compare MSRPs of the bunch when similarly equipped. M45 Sport - $56,750, BMW 550i - $71,000, MB E550 - approx $74,000, and Audi A6 4.2FSI - $64,000. With most of you driving your cars 3 years or less, the additional fuel costs would not come close to matching the price difference of the cars.

    MSRP, as a measure of cost, can often be misleading due to resale values of the cars. The old, poor resale value argument against Infiniti no longer applies when you look at current figures for the M and G especially. The M has held it's value as well as the BMW 5-Series and has actually surpassed the MB E-Class and Audi A6.

    BMW's routine practice of sub venting leases may bring the actual out of pocket costs over the course of a lease close to the M45 so it might be possible to claim that the thirstiness of the M is detrimental. However, if you look at the EPA estimates for the 550i, they are actually lower than the Infiniti M.

    As to the matter of high revs and accompanying noise, I've found this to be a concern in the M35 only. Even though the M45 is above 2,000rpm at speeds greater than 60mph, noise is not a factor. The only reason noise is a factor in the M35 is Infiniti's choice to equip the M35 with an aggressive chip set that boosts the exhaust note. I personally would remove that chip set from all M35 models excepting the M35 Sport. I truly believe that more people in the luxury market would seriously consider the M35 if it were quieter. Infiniti has had no problems moving their available M35 inventory without deep discounting or incentives though so perhaps they know better than me.

    Finally, I would caution against solely focusing on the features of a car that affect you negatively. While you consider Infiniti "arrogant" for not changing the features you have mentioned, how do you feel about their ability to deliver all the features that this car has for anywhere between $6,000 and $17,000 less than their competitors? I'd say they've done quite a good job of delivering this car at it's price point.
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    I'm behind the times. The passenger seat WAS converted to full function last year. I'm still leaning to "transportation" over "recreation" when this lease is up. When I go back over the many "fun" or "luxuty" cars I've leased over the years and tried to assess the REAL pleasure my extra $$$ bought me for 7K miles per year I've come to realize that each of those toys lost their lustre after a month or two and almost invariably I was looking for the next thrill to lease next time around! As the Pennsylvania Dutch say: "Vee get too soon oldt und too late shmart". Bart :cry:
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    I think your analysis is good; however, one should not assume that just because someone can "afford the gas" that they want to burn it. The point has been, and continues to be, that from birth, the "new M" has received numerous accolades, but has also been consistently criticized for 1)poor fuel economy, and 2) noisy interior when compared to its competition. While there can be many reasons for this, one thing that always leaps out is that Infiniti has chosen very high (numerically) gearing both in terms of rear axle ratio and transmission apparently to enhance acceleration. Well, they definitely succeed in the latter, but got the gas/noise complaints in return. Many people, who otherwise like the performance have wished that Infiniti would get around to "fixing" (or at least improving) mileage and noise and one quick way to do that is to cut RPMs at highway cruising speed. Again, several ways to do this including a six speed transmission (with O/D sixth), or lower (numerically) fifth gear in the existing transmission (cheap solution). Changing the rear axle ratio would do the same but would also lower performance. Other things including engine mods could be considered too.

    Lots of people were hoping to see some of these improvements for the 08 model year - but Infiniti chose to do nothing in this regard. Whether they are "arrogant" or "foolish" or "have done a good job" is in the eye of the beholder; however, it is hard to see how they will sell more Ms for 08 without having addressed these consistent complaints.
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    it is hard to see how they will sell more Ms for 08 without having addressed these consistent complaints.

    Pearl: The TRUE test of what they have or haven't accomplished is retention of owners who move into their next car as leases on the '06 model expire this year. Repeat business is a better barometer of success or improvement than raw sales numbers, although the raw numbers translate into dollars. But that is short-lived ... if people leave the M badge for Lexus or (perish the thought, BMW or MB) the message will be quite clear that they've shot themselves in the foot AGAIN by not fixing the fixable.

    Bart :shades:
  • I am really interested in purchasing an 08 M but all this talk is starting to turn me away. My main question is: Is this problem only on the M35 or also the M45?(I plan on buying a 45)
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    Mine is a 35 Sport ... and I don't understand the interior road noise complaint. I haven't experienced it in > 2 years, and with the 19" tires I should be getting more road noise than the base car's tires give. The passenger's seat has been addressed. The 5-speed tranny does rev fairly high and there's no way this is an economy car. I got ~ 16 mpg for the first 10K miles in local commuting and beyond that I've gotten 17.5 ... and I'm stop-and-go to and from the offices and home so my mileage is as bad as it can get. (I'm also not sympathetic to those who whine about gas mileage when they drive a $50K+ car.) Perhaps it's fair to make the comparison between the M and possibly the Lexus G similar to the difference between a Corvette or Porsche and a Lexus coupe. One's fun to drive, nimble, with a bit more road feedback ... the other's softer/heavier and NICE to drive but by no means FUN to drive. I like driving my car, not riding in my car. No one's complaining about quality ... no one's complaining about the driving experience. Make your own decision based on material time behind the wheel of a demo car ... cars are, to be quite frank, very personal choices. Good luck. Irrespective of your decision it's certain you'll be happy with it. Bart :shades:
  • badboymiabadboymia Posts: 6
    Hi, if you make the decision to purchase an M you def will not go wrong you will be getting standard XM or Sirius Satellite as a standard option on the 08 M, plus you are getting a great car, I ve had my 07 M35 for goin on 2 months, and I love it, I am getting the attention I deserve, plus, the respect, this car is def an attention getter, espcially with the ladies! Compared to other cars, you will not go wrong, BMW is pure performance, but the interior is no where near as nice as an M, Lexus is full of themselves, good performance, good handling, but there financing is a complete joke! I went to test a GS450 and the sales guy tired to talk me into a measley IS250 and quoted me a price of $799 excluding tax, plus the luxury appointments and performace cannot compare to an Infiniti. My advice to you is go test drive an 07 M45, the car will not be changed until 09 or 10. When u test drive open out the engine shut off the sound system listen to the gears, try to feel the gears shift you wont! Take it on the freeway open out the engine the accleration is WONDERFUL, this car flies like a bird!!!! This vehicle is very astheically desinged, and can rank up against any lexus, BMW, or MB in its class, they just need to build a track record, and the rest will be history. Infiniti needs to put that new VQ engine (turbo V6) that will be in the Nissan Skyline GT-R in the M35, that engine produces 480 bph, opposed to the VQ35D which is in the current M35 which produces 280 bph. If you want a Benz, then your payin for the name same with BMW expect you get a little more hp and performance, lexus your just payin for the name the car will be a piece of [non-permissible content removed] within 2 years i gurauntee! Infinit is built like a tank, but performs like an S 550, with the stylin accolades, and the attention getter ability of a pure luxury sport sedan!!!
  • Does anyone know when the release date for the '08 M is?
  • apilz_35apilz_35 Posts: 4
    I spoke to Infiniti customer service, The date that the new 2008 M will be available is NOVEMBER 5. The original Date was September 28.
  • klpeelklpeel Posts: 46
    I see in Infiniti's announcement of "major upgrades" of its M sedan a mention of "revised interior and exterior styling," including:

    - Revised front and rear fascia, headlights, grille, rear decklid and taillight design, rear fender panels, new chrome accents
    - New wheel designs

    Since I will be looking at the M45x, I am not in a position of trying to decide whether to get a deal on an '07 or wait for the '08, but I am still quite interested in any style changes. I generally like the look of the M (it doesn't knock me over, but it appears well designed and proportioned), except for the rear taillights. And by rear taillights, I mean in particular the (to me) jarring white gash of the turn signal lights. I would be thrilled if the aesthetics of the rear end were improved. Are there any pictures available yet of the revised design?
  • towermantowerman Posts: 12
    Sounds like the 08 is basically the same car as 07 and I would be inclined to get a deal on the 07 if you can find what you are looking for (might be harder than you think). ON the other hand, if the real-time traffic is very important to you, you might be interested in getting the 08 and probably paying an extra 2K for it. It comes down to when you need it and how picky you are about what you get.
  • klpeelklpeel Posts: 46
    No, the real-time traffic is unimportant to me, but I would prefer the 45x, which obviously is not available for '07. I just hope they improve the look of the taillights, as this is listed as one of the (presumably minor) "interior and exterior styling" revisions they will have for '08.
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    I was at the dealer last week ... said the 08's will be essentially unchanged from the '06. Minor tweaks here and there but nothing substantive. IMO it would be dumb for them to take a 2 year old model and change it materially ... they're just STARTING to get an identity.

    Bart :shades:
  • 150mphclub150mphclub Posts: 317
    No transmission in the parts bin? They have a pretty good CVT in their "in house bin", and right "down the street" is Aisen, who makes a mighty fine six speed.
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    150Mph: if you had read my post, you would have seen that I said that while Nissan/Infinti did not have their own six speed auto, those transmissions are available from other suppliers. Buying one from someone else could solve the problem until they build one of their own (or maybe something better). Lots of companies buy transmissions from other companies - in this market segment, BMW buying from a number of other suppliers is a good example. Re CVT: yes they have one, but for some reason over the past three years, have not chosen to put it in their M sedans.
  • 150mphclub150mphclub Posts: 317
    I read your posts. I am not arguing with you. I am just adding a little extra information.
  • I'm an M owner. If I buy another Infiniti product (and I will) - new EX? trade up M45? - Why would I YER buy from a Canadian dealer when the 5% exchange difference becomes a 25% greed mark-up on a Japanese manufactured import?
    M35x US MSRP - $43,250
    M35x Canadian MSRP - $59,900
    Average F/X over the last 6 months ISN'T EVEN CLOSE TO FAIR PRICING.
    Go to Williamsville, or Buffalo, pay a few bucks for testing and papers to get the car legally back home, and you're done -saved $10K. (And I know some disguised Canada Nissan Sales poster will try to argue that there are 'model' (read:option) differences in the above list pricing - but come on guys - $10K???????). In fact, if you dig deeper, the Canadian dealers are probably trying to source their inventory from the US (it used to be the other way round, when the C$ was trading at 0.65 cents). In short - unless Nissan, Toyota and others get real quickly (to protect their bordertown Canadian dealers), I'm about to be a first-time customer in Buffalo - like thousands of other GTA folks who can afford $40 in gas to get there.

    Valuebuyer
  • Correction - USD M35x MSRP is $45,265, not $43,265. But at today's 1.05 exchange rate, (about 5%), that's still more that CAD $10K less than the bordertown retail sticker price (same model/year comparison)

    Valueboy
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    The US version does not have daytime running lights, and there may be other (probably minor, but I don't know) differences. How easy that may be to overcome, you'd have to check into. Shouldn't be $10K Cn, though.
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