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Ford Expedition

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  • jg88jg88 Posts: 59
    Decided not to get an extended warranty for the Expy before the std warranty expired since we have had no major problems and very few minor issues. To date, our only problems have been:

    - Shifter on column had to be adjusted to line up with the indents for park, reverse, drive. It went out of kilter somehow and was easily adjusted back. was done under warrranty.

    - 2nd row leather seats were cracking a bit. Dealer sent truck to local upholsterer and had the leather sections of the outside 2 seats re-covered. under warranty. Have since been using a leather conditioner on all leather surfaces and it seems to be protecting the skins sections.

    Other than that, we have been problem/trouble free. Every 5k miles I have the oil changed, wheels rotated. @ 15 k, also change air filter. Every 30k, all of the above and also all other fluids changed along with gas filter. Have been using oem Ford parts etc.

    We average about 14 - 15 mpg around our local community, have gotten up to 18 - 20 mpg on trips. Last Christmas we went to Pittsburgh from Houston area for 2 weeks and overall mpg for the trip, including a lot of local, hilly Pgh driving was 18.1 mpg. This is not based on the trip computer -- we measured it for the entire trip based on miles driven divided by gallons used. (The trip computer had it around 18.7.) We also used a 20 cubic foot Yakima car top carrier that is the aerodynamic-shaped type. For those of you like me who have kids, a big dog and can never have enough room for all the items we take, particularly for long family trips, I highly recommend a cartop carrier that has a longitude shape. Where we get dinged mileage-wise the most is around town even though it is as flat as a pancake around here.

    Also for trips with kids, we've been using a portable dvd player for a while with an 8-9" screen with headphones and slung between the front seats with a "Suspension Theatre" set-up. We can listen to music with the front speakers while the kids watch movies in 2nd row. It's portable, works in any car and is a lot less than a factory unit & has a bigger screen.

    Still rides nicely, still handles well for a big SUV and is still pretty quiet. More than enough power for us. Have noticed some very minor squeaking in the passenger seat when it is unoccupied.

    The original Contis are still on it and look to be able to go at least 10k more. Steering is still dead on; have not had it aligned. Other than rotation, no re-balancing. the brakes, other than inspection, have not been touched yet. That includes brake pads.

    Even though we're in TX and have not used the 4x4 much here, it's great having it when we travel to the Rockies or North in the winter. Off road, while certainly not as nimble as our '96 explorer EB, it is no slouch. It's been on some very snowy logging roads in PA and on some sandy back roads here in TX. The only thing I haul is a bike rack that holds up to 4 mtn bikes for trail riding NE of Houston in the Nat'l Forests and State Parks.

    The seats, cooled for TX and heated for winter climes still work fine and are appreciated. Did not get the power-fold 3rd row -- our is manual and has been very easy to configure between passenger room and cargo carrying. I did have black Lincloln Navigator mirrors installed since they have the ability power fold and it makes it much easier to get into the narrow garage openings. The local dealer installed them for us along with a swtich on the lower left side of the dash.

    Paint is still in good shape as is the lower cladding. We use Meguier's Classic Gold wax on both the metal and cladding every 5-6 months. Have not seen a need to polish the metal yet. The grey running boards are not pristine, they have a bit of wear, but the worst marks can be cleaned up. Also, brake dust has not been a problem for us -- yes, there is a little build-up but wonder if the '04 discs are different than the '03.

    We now have 3 drivers on the truck, my son has been using it for 8 months and hasn't hurt it too badly. Also, we added an '02 Acura RSX/S w/6 sp as a 3rd car in the last month so my son hasn't driven the truck much since. Since I have a company car that only my wife and I are permitted to drive under company insurance, we really needed a 3rd ride to keep things sane in the household. Figure I just took about 8-10k per year off the truck and off-loaded onto a more economical, fun little ride.
  • ahightowerahightower DFWPosts: 429
    Interesting, my company policy allows any family members in the household including spouses and children to drive. I bet your son is pretty happy about that RSX though!
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,968
    Blog and First Drive info about the '07 Expedition:

    Straightline

    Talk about it in the 2007 Ford Everest/Expedition discussion.

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  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    my company policy allows any family members in the household including spouses and children to drive

    Have you read the fine print? :)

    tidester, host
  • ahightowerahightower DFWPosts: 429
    Good catch. It's actually just children over age 25. I didn't pay much attention since they're all under age 6 right now.
  • Hello All!
    I am currently looking at purchasing a used 2003 or 2004 Expedition. I really want to get one that's loaded up nicely and keep it for a number of years.

    I would like to be certain that we get one that has the "Safety Canopy" -- i.e., the side curtain airbags along both sides of the inside of the vehicle for front and back rows. How can I tell if this option is included in a used vehicle, especially if I don't have the original owner to talk to?

    I noticed that any Eddie Bauer Expedition with a sunroof has badges on the inside front pillars that say "airbag." In our passat, that means side curtain airbags are there for the front AND back seat. Does that mean the same for the Expedition? Or are the side curtain airbags JUST for the front occupants? I've not seen that before (side curtain airbags JUST for front - they always seem to cover front and rear), but I would rather be safe than sorry.

    So my question is this: If you own a 2003 or 2004 Eddie Bauer Expedition, does the safety canopy come automatically when other options, like the sunroof, are added? Just trying to figure out an easy way for me to whittle down the cars I am looking at without having to make a ton of phone calls. Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!
  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    I'll try to check our sticker tonight from our 03 but my recollection was that the Safety Canopy was it's own option and not bundled with anything.

    I think the "airbag" badge is for the side curtain airbags, and I am 99% sure all 03's that had the side curtains covered the first two rows of occupants, but not the third row. I will try to check my owners manual tonight.

    There should be a sticker somewhere on the vehicle (glove compartment) that lists the option codes that were installed on the vehicle. We need to figure out where that is and what the option code is for the side airbags. That way you would be certain once you laid your eyes on the vehicle.

    Karl
  • Karl-
    Thanks for the information! I do appreciate it, and I really appreciate the quick response.

    Ironically, I just saw an article in the local Marietta paper about a Marietta family of four killed in a rollover crash in the Explorer. I don't know if the safety canopy was even an option on the Explorer, but reading that made me want to make sure I had every ounce of protection I could get for my family.

    I read that these folks were all wearing their seat belts, but they were t-boned by an RV. The Explorer rolled once and landed on it's feet. I have no idea if a safety canopy would have helped, but I think it might have.

    I'll take a look in the glove compartment for the next Expedition I test drive and see what's there and if there is any deciphering it.

    Thanks again!
  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    You're welcome.

    Here is what I verified.

    1) The "Safety Canopy with Rollover Sensing" was it's own $580 option.

    2) The Safety Canopy covers the first and second row.

    I did not find a sticker in my glove compartment with the options listed. The only sticker I found was on the drivers side B pillar and I was not able to decipher any option codes, if they were even listed. I am going to assume that vehicles without the Safety Canopy would not have the airbag sticker on the headliner like mine does. I would hope Ford would only label vehicles with that option present.

    If you want more assistance there is a good Expedition e-mail list on yahoo and this web site may be of assistance:

    www.flatratetech.com

    Karl
  • Hello again!

    I am still looking at used Eddie Bauer edition Ford Expeditions. I've looked at several with just 4x2 and several equipped with 4x4. The price difference seems to be anywhere from $1000 - $1500 for the 4x4. My question is this: Is it worth getting the 4x4? I never plan to take this vehicle off-road and really just want it for hauling all of the kids all over the place and being able to haul stuff like plywood and drywall.

    Anyway, knowing I really never plan to take it off road, am I missing much by sticking to a 4x2? Or are there other advantages to the 4x4 that I am missing? I noticed that with the 4x4 you also get the option of AWD, which is nice. But you do get lower MPG with the 4x4?

    I'd be happy to hear from the members here about their preferences and whether or not they regret the decision to go 4x4 or 4x2. I do appreciate all of the information I've been given as well as all of the info I've found searching through the forum.

    Thanks all!
  • I have a 2000 Expedition 4x4 with 124,000 miles. It started making a loud whine during accleration, but stops when not accelerating, almost sounds metallic. I had it to the dealer who, although heard the noise, could not find a cause. It is becoming quite disturbing, especially after reading about transmission problems in expeditions. Anyone had similar problem? Thanks.
  • Are you sure it is up front? The rear LS diffs whine also when they go bad, and sometimes the sound travels and almost seems to be from the front
  • ahightowerahightower DFWPosts: 429
    It's just the supercharger... ha...
  • ahightowerahightower DFWPosts: 429
    So I was playing around with the "build your own" websites for Ford and GMC. It looks like the Expedition EL is going to be about $2,000 less than a comparably equipped Yukon XL. (Suburban seems to be a few hundred less than GMC.) The major differences I notice are that the Ford has a little lower gas mileage, but in its favor are the fold flat third row and the 6-speed. The third row's not too big a deal for me. Only has to be roomy enough for children, and given that I have three and will use it every day, I won't be removing it or folding it very often. Although I would like them to keep their feet off the backs of the middle row, and I have seen photos of actual adults in the third row of the new Expedition and it's pretty impressive.

    Style is a toss up. The new GM interiors are nice, I actually like the fake wood trim. The Ford has some nice touches too. I especially like the Ford's A/C vents, and the center-mounted, as opposed to column-mounted, shifter. And there is one detail photo of the Ford's gauge cluster that looks exquisite. I sat in a new Tahoe a few months ago just for fun, and found the driver's seat to be narrow and my right leg bumped up against the center console. Haven't been inside a new Expedition yet. If that seat is just a bit wider, or the console is mounted lower, that could be a deal-maker for me. I'm not fat, mind you, just long-legged. I've been inside the Sequoia and Tundra, and they don't have especially wide seats, but the console is very low to the ground, and the dash is not intrusive, so there is a feeling of spaciousness and your right knee doesn't hit anything. Back to the topic at hand, I also really like the two-tone paint on the Eddie Bauer Fords.

    Only GM has the remote start, which I'd like with the auto climate control. But only ford has the ventilated seats. I wonder how effective those really are, but what a cool idea. And GM has OnStar, of course, which I fortunately have not had to use yet, but really really like the idea.

    I currently have a 2005 Yukon XL. At the time I bought it, there was no other option as far as I was concerned, Expedition just didn't have enough room behind the third row. (There was the Excursion, but that was much more expensive). Now I can't wait until it's time to trade in our 2005 and try out both of the new ones!

    Any other key points I've missed? What swayed the rest of you one way or another?
  • ...But only ford has the ventilated seats. I wonder how effective those really are, but what a cool idea...

    I test drove several Expeditions with the heated and cooled seats. The cooled seats were pretty nice. It isn't like sitting on an ice cube, but after the car has been running for 5 - 10 minutes (depending on external temp), you do feel a nice "coolness" on your back and bottom. It's welcome relief if you live in a hot climate. Note that it won't immediately cool your bottom on a 90 degree+ day when the car has been sitting in the sun. But give it a few minutes, and it will make you comfy.

    Also note that the cooled seats have their own air filters that require periodic changing. No idea what those cost, but I believe you can get them through most auto parts stores and, of course, at Ford.
  • you can add remote start to any fuel injected automatic. Ford has a system and there are tons of aftermarket vrsions.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,968
    "According to a recent study by the U.S. Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), ventilated automotive seats not only can improve passenger comfort but also a vehicle's fuel economy. That's because ventilated seats keep drivers and passengers cooler, so they need less air conditioning to be comfortable."

    Here's some more info about those cooled seats in the Expy:

    Keep Your Cool....And Perhaps Save Some Gas

    And here's Part 2, an aftermarket solution.
  • to the person whose lookin at the expedition/ yukon xl models...

    On new stands, motor trend released a magazine comparin the el and the suburban and that might help. i dont wanna give the winner away but the winner won because of stringer acceleration, usuable cargo and people space and overalll capability
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
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  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    My dad is looking at an 03 expedition thats priced at $19k It has dvd entertainment, ac/heated seats, power fold 3rd row, and tow package. It comes with a 1 year bonus warranty that includes 3 free detailing, and 3 free oil changes. Its the big 5.4l v8 (not the 4.7l) and with 43k miles. Is this a good deal? Our 4runner (1996) is worth 4.5k and they say 3.5k so its kind of irritating. We make take it to carmax.

    He's at the dealership not and i'll report back soon!

    -Cj :)
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