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Ford Escape Mazda Tribute Maintenance and Repair

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  • Hey there, I am currently driving a 02 eacape xls 5 speed, and have had the same problem, shuddering at 36000km, and having them say nmothing is wrong with it, I have had the clutch flywheel and pressure plate replaced which fixed it for the time being, but starting to get it back again, have you had problems with transmission bearings?>
  • laalaa Posts: 4
    Test drove two more yesterday, no noise! Made sure airpressure was checked in both before driving. Pretty sure the Tribute is going to be or final choise. Now just have to figure out what a good price is. Anyone know what the holdback % is for Mazada (2% of base MSRP)? What would be a fair price over that, say $200 over invoice to dealer? Thanks for the advice.
  • mphxazmphxaz Posts: 27
    laa,
    I'd say go for invoice or below, and go for all available rebates that you qualify for! Check the " Ford Escape/Mazda Tribute/Mercury Mariner: Prices Paid & Buying Experience " discussion to see what others have been paying. I picked up our Tribute in December at a good price with lots of hints from the good folks on these forums! Good luck and let us know how you do.
  • ryan41ryan41 Posts: 21
    Jag:

    Did your valve train noise go away right away? Had my adjustment done yesterday, the service writer said that I may hear the noise slightly when the car is cold but that should stop altogehter after a while. Drove the car around after I picked it up, sounds the same as before I brought it in. I stopped by the dealer, let him listen to it, he said to drive it for a day and if the noise does not go away, he will do the adjustment again. He said that the car has 16 0r 18 cam journals that they adjust. I probably will bring it back like he said to.
  • I am having a similar noise from my 2005 Tribute. My vehicle was purchased in September 2004, and the noise started about a month later. It would only happen after the brakes were heated up, and only at slow speeds/coasting.

    My dealership has looked at the vehicle 5 times for this issue, and they have replaced all four rotors, relined the brakes, flushed the brakes, replaced the brake pads, adjusted the parking brake, consulted with a Mazda engineer who denied the possibility of these noises even though they could be replicated by the service department, and now it's in the shop again for the 6th and final time today.

    I'm filing for a replacement vehicle under the Georgia Lemon Law. Since they're admitting the problem is in the brakes, and they've had the opportunity to fix it more than one time and cannot, I qualify for the program. There are federal laws with similar wording and consumer protection. I'd suggest you visit www.autopedia.com to check how your state's lemon law is worded. This is not something I really want to do since there are costs associated with this process. You have to pay a usage fee based on the number of miles you've driven your vehicle, and it's up to the manufacturer to determine the mileage rate.

    I can't be alone with this braking issue. I listened to a couple of phone calls being answered at the service department this morning, and two were for similar issues. Their response is that the Mazda brake pads leave a glaze on the rotors which makes a squeaking noise.

    Be careful how you drive in stop and go traffic. My vehicle's brakes heated up so much, that the ABS system kicked in when it thought I was locking up the brakes. My Tribute lurched forward and almost hit the car in front of me. This happened while at a complete stop! The brake noise was so loud that people were looking to see where the noise was coming from. I was finally able to stop long enough to pull the parking brake in the hope of resetting the system. To my amazement, the squeaks and squeals completely stopped.
  • isisisis Posts: 6
    Then why does my Escape LIMITED 4x4 have more HP and Torque than your Tribute ? According to Car and Driver Magazine they are TWINS except for a few minor image differences and engine tweaks they are the SAME vehicle. Quit dreaming that you have an Enlightened SUV. You have what the rest of us have, a Ford Escape or a Mazda Tribute are just wrapped differently.But if Ford sells out to the "lowest bidders" then why will my Escape LIMITED 4x4 outrun your Tribute and why does my Escape have more HP and Torque ? Why does my Escape have better suspension parts if it sells out to the lowest bidder ?
  • isisisis Posts: 6
    the dealership has Turned the Rotors and the replaced the pads and Rotors both and it's been in the Dealership 4 times for the Brake problems and we're going with the Lemon Law as well. We just sent off our packet to be "REVIEWED". I paid $31,800 for our 2003 Escape LIMITED 4x4 with crappy brakes and just happened to have the 1st problem in just under 12 months of ownership which is our saving grace. The Dealership is avoiding the problem as much as possible but everythime i go in there's a buttload of Escapes and Tributes in for Brake noises and problems with the Front brakes mainly. this is my 3rd set of rotors and the front end still makes a popping niose that the service guys can never seem to hear even when it pops. I've been advised by a service man at ford to put on AfterMarket brakes with Larger rotors, shouldn't Ford be doing that for me ? I wonder if bshap has brake problems of if their Tribute is "above" these things.
  • isisisis Posts: 6
    Knock on wood! My 2003 Escape LIMITED 4x4 has been a GREAT and Dpendable truck except for the BRAKES ! I had it in the dealership 4 times now for the brakes and twice for front end noise. I'm going with the Lemon Law and Ford sent us a stack of papers to fill out and send in for "REVIEW". I'm 100% disabled and used the insurance money from my disability to pay cash for the EXPENSIVE Escape. I wish now I'd have just bought another 4.0 V6 Explorer like the 1997 I STILL have and is STILL running strong! Ford said they're either going give us a NEW Escape of the Same Trim and options or refund us the money that the present Escape is worth. I'd rather have a NEW '05 Escape LIMITED 4x4 and trade it in. The Retail price on my 2003 right now is $23,000. I bought the LIMITED 4x4 so I wouldn't have to buy another vehicle for 10 years like my Explorer is holding up. I don't care what anyone says, my neighbor has a Tribute and when you raise the hood they're exactly the same engine and everything ! Isn't it funny their both, the Escape and Tribute, having the same problems ! Ford should have a MAJOR RECALL on the brakes but not enough people have been killed by them YET.
  • I have a 2004 Mazda Tribute ES with about 42000 miles on it. I am experiencing really loud tire noise and I am looking for recommendations for new tires. Also, I have been told that my rear shocks are leaking. Has anyone else had problems with the rear shocks and if so, where did you get replacement parts?
  • wtd44wtd44 Posts: 1,211
    You might ask for recommendations for touring type tires, or others with "less aggressive" tread patterns. Do you have a shop you normally go to for repairs? Surely they can handle the shocks for you.
  • sweswe Posts: 8
    Best tires with less noise for the 2005 Tribute with 16 inch tires are these, I'm assuming that the 2004 is the same:

    Michelin Cross Terrain SUV
    Yokohama Geolandar H/T-S G051

    They are a bit more more in price but really worth it. Check out www.tirerack.com for the best tires for your Tribute.
  • dc_driverdc_driver Posts: 712
    My co-worker put the Michelin's on his Escape and loves them. I have bought tires from tirerack.com and can tell you that they are great!
  • wtd44wtd44 Posts: 1,211
    I bought my 2005 Escape XLT Sport last week. I immediately drove it 500 miles on the highway and did not find the tires noisy and loud. They are Continental Contitracs, which were factory installed I presume.
  • laalaa Posts: 4
    We looked at two different '05Mazda Tributes and both of them had RUST behind the dash inside the car. One was nearly completely rusted. You could see the RUST on the break paddle and follow it up the arm of the break to the underside. When I looked behind the dash the steering column and nearly ALL metal parts had a fair amount of rust on them. This was also on the passenger side under the dash as well. Also both front seats had rust spots on them. The most concerning part to me was where the bolt held the break arm going toward the engine. It was rusted completely over. I would be afraid it would lock up one day. We are in Florida and I was wondering if others see this on their Tributes as well or could it be that these two have had water damage to them. I truly do not think it should be there especially not on a BRAND NEW CAR STILL ON THE LOT.

    We have a 2-year-old Toyota and it is immaculate under the dash (NO RUST). Could other please check under there dash, around the fuse box, and brake arm and let me know if there is a fair amount of RUST there?
  • wijocowijoco Posts: 462
    The dealership probably did something dumb like leave the windows down in a thunderstorm. With Florida weather, it's not surprising.
  • tmerchtmerch Posts: 1
    My 2002 Tribute (V6, 43K mi) had to have the dashboard cluster replaced and now my odometer is reset! The dealership that did the repair claims there is nothing that can be done. Is this possible!? I am afraid of the legal implications if I try to sell.
  • dc_driverdc_driver Posts: 712
    I agree with you on this one (dealer leaving the windows down).. I am a member on several different Tribute and Escape message boards and have never heard of this (my 05 Tribute definitely does not have any rust on it). In college, I did a brief stint with a dealer in Florida, and it is not uncommon to crack the windows down when it is warm out (especially for vehicles with leather seating). Probably just forgot to roll them up... Pretty lousy that they are trying to sell brand new cars with rust on them..
  • dc_driverdc_driver Posts: 712
    I do not think it is a big deal (factory tires), but many users have noticed a decrease in road noise after they switch out the OEM's Again, there is no reason to switch out the OEM's until they need replacement.
  • sweswe Posts: 8
    I agree with dc driver, I have OEM's (Conti's) on my 05 Tribute and they are just fine, but I only have 7000 km on them. If you check out the user comments on tirerack.com for these tires, it appears that they get really noisy after you've put some miles on them, (like the guy that started this thread).
  • lbonelbone Posts: 1
    I have a 2001 Ford Escape with a passenger door that will not open from the outside. It happenned one day when we tried to "click" it open from the inside and someone was opening from the outside. Has anyone experienced this problem? Is there a history on this and an easy way to repair? Thank you.
  • wijocowijoco Posts: 462
    are you saying the latch itself is broken or the power lock?
  • The fuel line recall is for BOTH Tributes and Escapes.
  • Hi! You may need to pop the interior panel and check that all clips associated with the door release mechanism are in place. It is not unusual for many cars using nylon / plastic clips - for them to dislodge when two simultaneous (yet conflicting) operations occur. It is not unique to the E/Ts.

    Chris.
  • rcinmdrcinmd Posts: 139
    I've been reading about issues people are having with premature wear of brake pads and rotors on their Tributes and Escapes, and I am hoping to ward off the problem with my '05 Tribute. I have just over 500 miles on it, and figure now is the time to switch to something better. On past vehicles, I have had great luck with Repco Metalmasters ( Now Axis brand I think ). I'm not sure if these are available for the Tribute. I'll check right after posting this. Does anyone have recommendations, utilizing the stock rotors? Brake dust does seem to be an issue as well with OEM. The Metalmasters are excellent in that regard.
  • wtd44wtd44 Posts: 1,211
    I also have a brand new 2005 Escape. I have 637 miles on it. I would not change the brake pads at this time, considering the warranty. Why not wait until a diagnosable need develops? Do you actually have a problem with the brakes? I certainly have no problems with mine.
  • wijocowijoco Posts: 462
    Different rotors are made of different materials. What worked on one car may not on the Escape. If you have rotor problems after switching brake pads, the dealer will NOT honor the factory warranty. I agree with the other poster recommending no changes until the warranty is up.
  • Hi,

    The rotor and pad materials have been upgraded since 2001 (late). Mazda/Ford have made valid adjustments to these items and the differences are noticeable in reduced wear, noise and dust (in most cases). My 2001 Trib wore out its rotors and pads by 38,000kms. THe prices between Ford and Mazda are interesting! IT's cheaper to buy pads from Mazda and rotors from Ford than both lots from either OEM. I opted for DBA (Australia) rotors and Bendix 'Advance' pads for a total third of the cost of the OEMs. Performance is equal to the OEM units and a discernible drop in dust output.
  • rcinmdrcinmd Posts: 139
    Good morning all,

    After posting, I did check online, and then contacted an Axxis ( formerly Repco ) distributor, and his records indicated that the 2001 - 2004 pads are the same. He did not have a listing for 2005. They may be the same, but I have not verified that yet. I have used Repco Metal Masters on Fiats, Alfas, VWs, and found them to be excelent. I don't think I would worry about causing any harm to the OEM rotors; at least I hope they would "hold up". But it could be that the 05s have been changed, and might not have the issues others have said they have had. To this point, with only 550 miles on the vehicle, my only gripe is brake dust accumulation. The Metal Masters reduced that significantly. As for warping, knock on wood, I have never really had the problem on anything I have owned. But the one thing I have always insisted on when installing wheels is use of a torque wrench instead of a pneumatic impact wrench to tighten the lug nuts or bolts.
  • tpeterstpeters Posts: 4
    While re-assembling my upper intake manifold after changing plugs I over turned the bolts (didn't use a torque wrench). Knowing that these were press fit I lost concentration when tightening down and forgot that I wasn't turning into a threaded hole. I over tightned bolt #8 in the tightening sequence and its insert broke loose. The same possibly happened to #5 but not sure; I didn't want to apply any more torque in either direction after #8 broke. The tribute has 83k on it and will probably never need another plug change. Can I leave this the way it is or do I have to replace the lower (assuming the lower is what the upper manifold bolts into). Also, all other bolts 1 thru 7 are probably over tightened and those also I did not want to apply any more torque in any direction to them. Can I losen those after I go out and do what I should have done to begin with: buy a torque wrench and then re-tighten, or will those insert break loose when I turn them?
  • escapenutescapenut Posts: 117
    I agree with most of the other posts in waiting until the brake pads are spent. I changed for the time at ~26K miles and went with the OEM (big mistake). They were quiet to be sure but dusted-up like crazy just like the pads from the factory. The 2nd change-out I did at ~54K miles,
    I changed pads/rotors completely to ProStop ceramic enhanced pads which have minimal dusting
    at most. The rotors are nothing special, except that the replacements can be turned, unlike the OEM rotors which are (were) in essence disposable. The replacement pads are wearing well. The brake shoes have not been replaced even at 68K miles. I was told my the mechanic who cleaned them that they probably still have 50%wear.
    It does seem that Ford has redesigned the front calipers and pads for '05, but I still see alot of '05's with a bad dusting problem.
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