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Ford Escape

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  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,983
    edited June 2012
    Maybe swapping "enhanced" and "designed" for "tuned" for most of the passenger car engines out there would be even more accurate. I doubt that the average daily driver knows or much cares anyway.
    Robr2 brings up a good point about turbos. And they are smaller, get better mileage and are higher performance than a six cylinder. A lot of us older geezers still don't trust those though. :blush:

    The real question is who's shopping the 2013 Escape and who (knowinng the details) is going to upgrade to the engine trim that's designed, tuned and enhanced to be "sportier"?
  • fnamowiczfnamowicz Posts: 191
    It's not a question of being sportier but why be forced into buying an upgraded engine just to get a few practical options like AWD since the basic model hardly has any options.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,983
    Ah, yes, there is that. We're still a ways from being able to order a car with just the options you want without having to pay for stuff you don't want.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    Sorry, I'm still not used to the term CX-5 and still think of the 7 and 9 when reading about Mazda's. Here's the link and a quote from the article, take it as you will.

    http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/autosblog.aspx?feat=e984db01-54cb-4620-b54d- -90f07151c1b0

    Two crossovers, two SUVs, two pickups and the Jeep Wrangler are among the vehicles deemed the most dangerous in America by the business blog 24/7 Wall Street. The website analyzed safety data compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, Consumer Reports, the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration and J.D. Power.

    "The cars with the worst scores most commonly received poor grades in the rollover and rear-impact tests," writes Michael B. Sauter of 24/7 Wall Street. Those include the Ram 1500, Mazda CX-7 and CX-9, Chevrolet Colorado Crew Cab, Suzuki SX4, Nissan Pathfinder and Jeep Wrangler.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    edited June 2012
    No it's not. This is what it states in the Owner's Manual:

    Regular unleaded gasoline with a pump (R+M)/2 octane rating of 87 is recommended. Some fuel stations offer fuels posted as regular with an octane rating below 87, particularly in high altitude areas. Fuels with octane levels below 87 are not recommended.
    Note: Premium fuel will provide improved performance for vehicles with EcoBoost® engines and is recommended for severe duty use such as trailer tow.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    My local Ford dealer just received a 2013 Ford Escape 2.0L EcoBoost AWD Titanium in Ginger Ale Metallic. The list price was almost $36,000. That's pretty steep for this segment. I understand there is extra performance and features such as the power lift gate and park assist, but is that what people in this category really look for? I have to question the move by Ford on this. Even SE AWD models with the 1.6L EcoBoost are over $31,000 and it does not have navigation or leather seats. You can get a CR-V EX-L with nav and a CX-5 Grand Touring w/ technology package for less.

    I really think Ford is not banking on the "value" minded shopper and have decided to market to a different audience. That's just my opinion. It could turn out to be a huge success, but only time will tell. All things considered, it is a nice car in person.
  • tbk81tbk81 Posts: 9
    Someone mentioned premium recommended for the 1.6? All Escape engines have recommended fuel of regular (87). Manual states that, for towing or heavy use, premium can be used.

    As for price - I think there are so many things you get with this car that I have not seen on other platforms...and incentives will come. I do wish Ford would offer a longer warranty, however.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    All Escape engines have recommended fuel of regular (87). Manual states that, for towing or heavy use, premium can be used.

    I have an issue with Ford advertising 178hp for the 1.6L and 240hp for the 2.0L when those number are only achieved using Premium and then go to say you can use Regular but you have to do a little digging to find out you get less power. I know we are only talking about a few ponies here, but it is still a dig at the consumer, if you ask me.
  • kapohokapoho Posts: 2
    Ever pull into a gas station and find all the Premium pumps locked off because they are out of fuel? In that case, it's nice to know you can use regular without trashing the engine.
  • kapohokapoho Posts: 2
    I'll be purchasing a very well equipped Escape in the $36K price range. The equivalent vehicle is NOT an under-powered CR-V or CX-5. Vehicles with comparable torque to the Escape are the Acura RDX, Lexus RX 350 and BMW X3, at a cost of thousands more.
    The Escape has available safety features that rival vehicles in the $50K price range. Also, I really enjoy Ford's convenience features, such as entry key pad and capless fuel filler (RE: On-Star vs keypad: if I locked my keys in the car, I probably left my cell phone inside, too). The Escape is not cheap, but it is an excellent value.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Vehicles with comparable torque to the Escape are the Acura RDX, Lexus RX 350 and BMW X3, at a cost of thousands more.

    A Lexus RX350 is a mid-sized luxury SUV, the Escape is not. I can see the comparison to the RDX, but not the X3. Just because torque is comparable, it does not mean the vehicles are.

    Regardless of your opinion, the Escape DOES compare to the CR-V and CX-5, amongst others in the class (Equinox, Terrain, Rogue, RAV4). While the 2.0L EcoBoost offers something the others do not, it comes at a substantially higher price tag and less fuel economy, something the majority of buyers are concerned about. I guess you do not fall in that category, which is OK and it seems that the 2.0L is right up your alley.

    The 1.6L EcoBoost, which is Ford's volume offering, is also much more money then others in the class, which was my main argument. You are over $31,000 with no leather, no navigation. You can get lots of features for under $30K with others in this class which is more "value". That was my point.

    By "value" minded, I think of "look at all you get for what you pay" vs the Escape that is "look at what you get but you need to pay a premium for it". Again, there is nothing wrong with that approach. I just am not sure the majority of buyers in this segment feel the same. But, who knows? Ford is taking a marketing approach that is vastly different from how the Escape has always been.
  • I have a 2005 Ford Escape. I went to start it yesterday and it acted like the battery was almost dead, but not quite. When it was started, the gauge needles all jumped really fast and at first my gas gauge said I had no gas, even after I had just filled up. I am supposed to be leaving back for Iowa today/tomorrow, but need to know what this could be and I don't have any money to have it looked at, just the money I need to get home. Can any of you guys help? Thanks so much.
  • bretcampbretcamp Posts: 6
    If this answer has already been posted, sorry but I couldn't find it. Does anyone know the hatch/cargo area opening height for the 2013 model, and how it compares to the previous models? One of the reasons we're on our 4th Escape is because of its boxiness, and its ability to handle tall items that even much larger SUVs have trouble with.

    On pricing, prices have definitely changed over the past 6 months. When I priced the 2013 model on the beta site, a fully loaded car, with nav etc., was around $38k - well above a fully loaded 2012 (around $34k+), thought admittedly with more standard equipment. The now-announced prices are lower than the "test" prices, but still in the same range as a fully-loaded Terrain. The new Escape is of course also larger, so although it may still be compact, it seems Ford has moved to the upper edge of this segment.
  • tbk81tbk81 Posts: 9
    Don't know who you people are talking to about price. I picked up a fully loaded sel for 500 under invoice and got 1 k in incentives. 2.0 ecoboost. You cannot touch that in an underpowered cx-5.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    I think they are talking about MSRP. Which is about the only way to really compare them at this point since the new Escape isn't even on dealer lots yet. Sounds like you got some kind of insider deal which I find to be a little too good to be true. A hot new vehicle usually doesn't get discounted like that until further into the model year and Ford certainly doesn't need to be giving them away at this point.

    Ford selling brand new Escapes for below invoice already would be making the auto news and I haven't seen anything.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    That's not true, here's how my deal broke down on the VOC. Remove the fuel assessment and advertising fee from the invoice side and I got my Escape for $2176 under MSRP.

    Retail Column:
    $30370.00 Titanium FWD
    $995.00 Prkg. Tech Pkg
    $825.00 Dest & Deliv
    $32190.00 Total

    Dealer Invoice Column:
    $28321.00 Titanium FWD
    $868.00 Prkg. Tech Pkg
    $60.12 Fuel Charge
    $470.00 Adv Assessment
    $825.00 Dest & Deliv
    $30544.12 Total
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Two people getting supreme discounts on the barely available Escape? Proves my point that the car is not competitive in terms of factory pricing. Most people are still paying MSRP for a CX-5 4 months after the release. I have seen great discounts on CR-V's, but then again, that car has been on sale for 8 months and inventory is plentiful.

    In any event, the Escape is really a nice CUV. They did a great job with almost everything, except price, IMO.

    After driving one, I can see why people will buy one. I happened to purchase a CX-5 instead (E-Plan plus owner loyalty rebate).

    Any way you slice it, now is a great time to be in the market for a compact CUV. The offerings have never been better.
  • jeffmh301jeffmh301 Posts: 1
    I order Giner Ale Titanium 4WD with Full leather seats,power roof,Myford hd w/nav, Mats-all weather, CARGO PRTCR-ACC, MSRP $36,195 Invoice on this was $33,615 (NADAGUIDES)
    They charge me $531 ADV ASSESSMENT AND $70.74 FUEL CHARGE to bring DELIVER INVOICE TO $34,216.74
    MSRP $36,195 - $1,695 ( BEST FORD NASHUA NH DISCOUNT) = $34,500 - $500 FORD REBATE $34,000
    Then charge me $499 for Documentary Preparation fee $34,499
    Then I got from Ford website, Receive a vehicle brochure by mail

    Your personalized brochure includes more information about your vehicle of choice plus current offers and incentives available to you.
    a $750 PRIVATE CASH coupon. SAYS " You can use this $750 private cash offer in addition to any current publi offers" Take delivery from dealer stock by 7-07-2012.

    So that bring my out the door total too $33,749 or $134 over invoice. Not too bad, just the $499 Doc. fee was too much :P
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,983
    edited June 2012
    Please post this over in the Ford Escape Prices Paid & Buying Experience discussion too.

    And congrats on the new Escape!
  • tbk81tbk81 Posts: 9
    Nothing "insider" about my deal. If you are interested I can show you the numbers from Cavalier Ford in Chesapeake VA. I should have the car around the 25th. The cars are in every Ford lot around here right now and I got similar offer from another dealer. :)
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