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  • I am having a terribly hard time deciding whether or not to get my Escape with Four Wheel Drive or not. Something tells me that Front Wheel Drive with the XLT's standard ABS is just enough, but . .. I am not sure. Can someone advise me as to whether or not four wheel drive is really crucial and worth the extra money? I do not play on doing any off road stuff with this vehicle, so it would only be good for the snow we get. I've lived and driven in Northern Iowa and Ohio with a rear wheel drive vehicle and it was a mess, front wheel drive was fine though.

    So, help! I'm hopelessly perplexed.

    Thanks!
  • 1jimv11jimv1 Posts: 108
    We have all been hoping for a five star passenger car safety rating on Escape so we need to "go figure" based on what has been happening to Explorer and other SUVs. They all have a higher center of gravity than sedans and the more people and stuff you load into them and on top of them the tippier they get. A government rating system in development gives a fully loaded suv one star because it has "40% chance of rollover in a single vehicle accident serious enough to call police." The deaths occur because no safety belts are used. It's easy to feel deceptively safe sitting high in an suv. The higher center of gravity problem has had sedans lowering their center of gravity for years, especially in zoom zoom sports cars. Since we are trying to help each other here by sharing information that might help I suggest seeing www.msnbc.com/news/480570.asp?cp1=1 and think it over for yourself. The side airbags might be a really good choice. The seatbelts too.
  • THe manual for the Escape/Tribute clearly states to use 87 octane gasoline. It also SPECIFICALLY states to NOT use higher octane gasoline. I find that interesting since I have alway found my cars run better with the higher octane gas, but I am definitely following the reccomendation. Our other car is a Passat which a previous poster mentioned requires premium unleaded. It has never seen 87 and never will.

    The moral of the story is follow the manual. If you do you will have nothing to worry about.
  • yes, we could back out, but then what?? I want my Escape and I want the one I ordered!! I thought about buying off a lot, but they are quite scarce here. That is beside the fact that not one of the lots have exactly what I ordered. I am going to be dropping in on my dealer soon, and will hopefully get some answers. Although, if they really do have to do a 40 mile test drive on each of the automatics, it could be a really long wait yet. My patience is running thin...
  • dpdssmdpdssm Posts: 10
    Well of course I agree with you I want mine also. The news from Michigan is not good, I am still told they have no idea when the vehicle will be in. I think that maybe vehicles are given to high visibilty places first I dont know.
  • wow i have never heard of a manufactuer to state to use a low grade fuel. my escort states to use a minimum of 876 octaine, but i run 93. i get some better gas milage, also easier to start better idle, and i definatly feel a diference in power, since i do drive the car hard, there is a big jump in pull over 4K, with 87 octaine there is some pre-ignition and loss of HP..
  • My understanding about octane is that the higher it is, the more stable the burn--the lower the octane, the hotter the burn! Many times the reality is counter-intuitive. 'Don't know if it's still true, but at one time, running an octane higher than that specified for your car could actually cause it to sort of "gum up"!
  • There is a lot of confusion here about octane, although the most important point has already been made: the Escape takes 87.

    Octane is a rating of gasolines resistance to combustion, that is, it’s resistance to self igniting in response to the heat and compression in the engine. Combustion should progress out from the point of ignition at the spark plug. However, if the octane is insufficient, combustion can begin at other areas, creating a second flame front. This is “pre-ignition”, and the engine makes pinging or knocking sounds as the two flame fronts collide. This is damaging, and modern engines use their electronic management systems to retard the spark timing, as required to stop the knocking. Octane, is critical to the power that can be had from an engine, because higher octane permits higher compression ratios with proper ignition timing. And higher compression ratios with proper ignition timing makes the engine more efficient. Efficiency is the key. The high octane gasoline does not have any greater energy content than the low octane gas. High octane is created with additives.

    One reason a car will run better on a higher than recommended octane is that the original fuel is not up to its advertised rating. It can be a good idea to shop around for a better 87.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Sounds like you got a lemon my friend... mine has had NONE of those problems. I've been trouble free for over 31k miles now (all in only 16 months).

    I run 93 octane as well, since 91 is very hard to find here in VT too. I average over 30 mpg per tank full (about 400 miles) and have nothing but smooth, torquey power from idle to redline.

    I have never driven an Escape, so I can't comment for sure, but I would be very supprised and impressed if the Escape can outhandle a Passat under "normal" conditions.* Physics is physics. You simply cannot compare the winter handling of a FWD car with a AWD car/suv, and I don't think that an Escape fan should be mocking any other car for a recall. ;-)

    * This is no slam on the Escape, we are talking about apples and oranges here. I LIKE the Escape a LOT. :-)
  • siyasiya Posts: 5
    I had a '92 Explorer and almost never used 4wd here in snowy Michigan. The extra initial expense, reduced mileage and higher repairs are not worth it for the very few times 4-wheel is helpful. I had a Taurus too then bought dad's Merc Marquis (rear dr.) But I wanted very much to get back to front drive and was going to get another Taurus just for that. Learned Escape is front wheel dr. To me, it's perfect solution: Explorer "lite" w/o 4-wheel but w front dr.
  • carteecartee Posts: 1
    While we are on fuel, has anybody had the problem that when they start their engine with the A/C on or the vents open they get an intense smell of fuel in the vehicle?
  • tronsrtronsr Posts: 46
    Any fuel smell and I repeat, any fuel smell, should have you on the way back to the dealer IMMEDIATELY IF NOT SOONER!LIKE YESTERDAY>
  • aluna1aluna1 Posts: 1
    I guess more information would be helpful. The offer is on an Escape Automatic XLT with four wheel drive. No fancy options. I'm new to this stuff please bare with me. Thanks
  • dpdssmdpdssm Posts: 10
    OK just talked to dealer. Mine ordered Aug 18. Dealer has 7 more on order. The commub=nication he told me is ( and I am parphrasing a bit here)
    Order submitted, (or given, or at) to factory 10-20.
    Out of the other units he has ordered, mine was the only one with this statement, apparently on some type of reoprt dealers receive. Any help from those in the know what this means?
  • When my wife and I ordered ours we actually had the dealer just change a few options on one he had ordered for his own inventory. What he told us is that he submits an order and in a couple of weeks it get subbed to plant which means that the factory has to ensure they have enough materials to build upcoming vehicles. When that information is known the factory then issues a build date and an eta for delivery. We actually ordered on 9/15 car went sub to plant by 9/21 had a build date of 10/23 and will receive the Escape by or before 11/13. Can't wait!!!!
  • i compared a escape to a montero today, well the only advantage that the mitsu has over the escape is rear cargo room and front leg room, everything else the escape come away with the lead, also having a 4" wider stance and a independent suspention compared to the live axle and leaf springs of he montero... the escape also has a 15 HP advantage and weighs almost 500 lbs less, its also 1500$ less
  • Just thought everyone would enjoy the end of this story.

    I signed my order for my new Escape XLT on Wednesday.

    Here is the configuration.

    Escape XLT
    Front wheel drive
    v6/auto
    Moonroof
    16" wheel/tires
    Privacy glass

    Purchase price: $20,500

    No added fees! period.

    When I told the dealer I was not going to give him an extra $85 dollars for him to fill out paperwork, he just knocked another $85 off the purchase price. : )

    So, I ended up paying $281 under invoice.

    I used Edmunds pricing guides and suggestoins and just worked the fax lines here in town to get the best deal I could, then, i didn't dink around trying to get another $50 chipped off.

    The key here was being informed and patient.

    So, good luck.

    The dealer:
    Bo Beuckman Ford, St. Louis.
    Salesman: Ed Cabanas

    They have three full-time sales people that do nothing but Internet sales!

    Don't waste time wih www.greenlight.com or those places. You can do better directly with the dealer. I would have paid $500 more with greenlight!
  • Could it be that the transmission is slipping or not up shifting correctly? Do you use O/D in town? Watch the tac.

    A higher than specified octane fuel will do you no good and in fact could degrade performance. I have used 87 octane in my '97 Taurus LX, equipped with the Duratec engine, since new. It runs very well and gets 19 to 20 MPG in city driving and 24 to 26 MPG on the highway using 87 octane fuel. I have tried 89 octane fuel several times and find no difference in fuel economy or performance.

    Mid-grade, 89 octane fuel, is the highest octane rating achieved by the refining process, 91 octane fuels have additives to increase the rating. These additives could be harmful to your engine, if it is not designed to accept them.
  • 1jimv11jimv1 Posts: 108
    There are two ways that fuel can burn in a gasoline engine. In the best way the spark at the plug ignites a stable burn that expands out smoothly and creates the high-pressure gas that pushes the piston down to generate horsepower. Since the stable burn takes time to develop maximum pressure, the spark is fired early and this is called spark advance. In the worst kind of burn, the spark initiates detonation, a shock wave that burns the fuel almost instantly and slams into the piston like a hammer causing the knock or ping sound you hear. Fuel burned as detonation doesn't produce much horsepower. For whatever engine you are using you can select a kind of fuel that burns in a stable way or one that detonates. The big difference is the octane number of the fuel. The lower numbers detonate. A minor difference is the spark advance the engine is set to. Less advance reduces detonation but produces less power .
    Modern engines use high compression ratios to burn fuel more efficiently so the car will get more miles per gallon. Unfortunately, the higher compression requires higher-octane fuel to burn smoothly so the added cost of the fuel and the less fuel needed per mile tend to cancel out. Our government favors the higher efficiency engine because it conserves oil and reduces pollution.
  • big_guybig_guy Posts: 372
    Virtually any car will perform well when a rear tire blows out. It is an entirely different situation when a front tire blows out. I don't know why the article states that a rear tire blow-out would cause more controllability problems. Intuitively, if a front tire blows, the steering wheel is going to jerk to one side as the sudden loss of pressure causes a slower rotation of the wheel that has blown out. In those situations, the driver tends to over correct and create a big problem. Particularly since most drivers casually hold the steering wheel in one hand when they are driving. Let them do the test again with a front tire blow-out and a driver that is not a professional and lets see what the results are. That would hold more interest to me.
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