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Ford Escape

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  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    The Escape is built on a modified Mazda Famila/626 platform so its pretty dated about 12 years old at this point. The obsolesence really shows in the crash test results where its clear that the Escape is just not up to par with some modern designs.

    The new rules for safety buttons on power windows goes into effect for the 08 model year so something will definately have to change by then.

    The Edge is going to be priced at the high end of the current Escape line so its not a direct replacement.

    Ford is stating that there are basically 2 different kinds of CUVs those that emulate traditional SUVs, such as the Escape or those that look like something completely different such as the Murano, and now the Edge. As such, Ford may want 2 CUVs in the same price braket or close to each other.

    Mark
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    To start with, I have a Freestyle for almost a year, so I'm prejudiced, but here are my comments:

    1. Pontiac SV6 FWD 3.9ltr (w/ towing package)
    - This is basically their old minivan platform with a new cover...I'd stay far away.
    2. Ford Freestyle SEL FWD
    - I have an SE that cost $25K with safety package, convenience, Tri-zone heating & A/C, 20-25mpg, currently 23K miles, great ride height, car handling, and zero problems
    3. Nissan Quest SL Special Edition
    - If you really need the really large space of a minivan, I'd get an Odyssey for the handling and interior space/layouts.
    4. Honda Pilot EX
    - This is a good one, but for me the interior space of the Freestyle won out...compare the interior specs
    5. Hummer H3 (wishfull thinking)

    How about the Toyota Highlander?
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    Well, we looked at the Ody, but after all the packages, it went just out of our price range. That's also why the Pilot is low man on the list. It's going to be a knock down street fight between the SV6 and Freestyle. We had both for a 24 hour test drive and it's just going to come down to features, pricing, and deals when we do go ahead and buy. The more I think about it, we will more than likely be paying the vehicle off from the get-go anyway. I just don't want to let 'Big Blue' (as my daughter calls it) go, because of all the added features I put into her.

    Odie
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    When you did your test drives, did you notice any big differences in the driving?
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    When my wife and I had the vehicles we did notice many differnces. My wife kept complaining about lack of power on the SV6, but we only had the 200hp 3.5ltr. Then she said the Freestyle didn't have the get-up she is accustomed to, so I explained the CVT to her. I liked the dash layout of the SV6 better due to the fact it has the column shifter. Having the column shifter adds a little more width for leg room for my height. On the 2 dirt/gravel roads we had tested both vehicles on the SV6 handled the twists alittle better, but the Freestyle handled the hills better. I feel that both vehicle has it's advantage and disadvantage over each other. I liked both, but it will come down to her decision. :surprise:

    Odie
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    BTW...how many adults/kids do you expect to be carrying, because the SV6 has the space of a full size minivan, where the Freestyle is more of a big station wagon with a 3rd row. Good enough space for us, but if we had a couple more kids we'd look at a minivan too.
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    As for amount of people. There would be myself and Wife, plus 1 3 yr with 2nd child due in July. But I also pull a small trailer every once in a while and also move larger items quite often. Most of the stuff fits in the Escape, and the towing package on the Escape was more than ample.
    For Towing with the others;
    1. '06 SV6 - 3500lbs with 3.9lt and towing package.
    2. '06 Freestyle - 2500lbs (all the engine can handle)with aftermarket kit (no package avail.)
    3. '06 Quest - No towing package avail.
    4. '06 Pilot - 4500lbs with towing package.

    As for Horses;
    1. SV6 - 201 (3.5ltr), 240 (3.9ltr)
    2. Freestyle - 201 (3.0ltr), 245 (3.5ltr - Not yet released)
    3. Quest - 240 (3.5ltr)
    4. Pilot - 240 (3.5ltr)

    I have to list the Quest and Pilot, because they are still being considered. They are at least 3 laps behind the leaders, but they are still in the race. :shades:

    Odie
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    For that sized load, I'd go for a minivan, so if the SV6 is the minivan you selected, then I'd stick with that. If you do go for the Freestyle, make sure you get the 2nd row without the center console, because it would be pain to keep flipping up the seats if you go with the 2nd row bench.

    Personally with your load I'd look at a 2 year old (to be on par with the price of a new SV6) low mileage Odyssey or Sienna for the additional quality, reliability, interior space and flexibility.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    This keeps coming up so I'll keet posting it.

    With the CVT, if you want the tranny to drop instantly to a low ratio, you have to literally, totally, completely FLOOR the gas pedal.

    There is a little button under the gas pedal that only gets activated if you FLOOR IT!

    The Freestyle and Five Hundred have plenty of get up and go, when you know this little trick that every Salesman should know but doesn't. They just don't sound so good on the ears while doing it.

    Mark.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    I have a Freestyle and you're right, if you floor it the revs jump and the car shoots forward; however, you don't need to do that all the time for good power. Just pressing the pedal down halfway gets the RPMs up to 3000 and I've found that to give plenty of power for passing, merging, and zipping around without the engine roar of flooring it.
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    I think this has been the most the Escape forum has been up near the top in a long time.

    Well, I'm off to the Philly Auto Show in the morn., watch for a link with pictures.

    Odie
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Ford drop the name "Escape" so fast. After just about 8 years of production. It just doesn't look good when you go to trade in a vehicle that is dead in the water. Escape/Trib/Mariner are great little SUV's.
    Myself, I think I'm going to go back to a sedan this summer. Gas prices aren't going to go down. I figure they will start heading up again in the next 2 months. So far my choices for the replacement of my trusty Escape are:
    Ford Fusion
    Pontiac G6
    Volkswagon Jetta
    Not in any order of preference by the way....
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    Well, I created a post over in News & Views for Auto Show Pictures, and I've already started putting some up. The new Ford Edge is about the same size as the Escape, just a tad bigger.

    Odie
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,153
    Facelifted Ford Escape caught (Straightline Blog)

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,618
    looks like either 2 different vehicles, or the pictures were shot at different times. in one, the left front fender has a cover on it, the other does not. maybe the photog, took it off! on purpose?
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,153
    Heh, just a quick peek and a snap, right? Or maybe Ford is driving that rig around to throw GM off the scent. :shades:

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  • I recently took my 2002 escape in for a recall. Never had any problems with this vehicle. Six days later we noticed oil drips. My husband checked it out and found the oil pan bolts were loose! Dealership devil? I don't know but I know these are torqued down and should not come loose. Any one know the torque specs. or where to find them? Any help would be great. :mad:
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    I would call a different dealership's service department and ask them what it is. Then I would call your service dept that you deal with and ask them the same question.

    Odie
  • Thanks Odie, I didn't know if a dealership would give me this info. or if it would be correct. I will try your suggestion. Meanwhile isn't there a book you can check out at the library on your specific vehicle? I can't remember the name. Chalmers?
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I am surprised Ford spent the $$ for a face lift on the Escape. All indications point to the Escape being phased out and replaced by the Edge.. When is this face lift supposed to hit showrooms? late 06? :confuse:
  • I have heard rumors of a totally new Escape in a few years or just a re-facelift for 08' If they are testing that Escape on the street already I would expect it to be ready for the fall or early o7' Also the Edge is much larger than the Escape, and not a replacement. People keep saying that, but, the Edge is about 185 inches the Escape is about 175 inches. They may be cross-shopped against each other but there is no reason to think that the Escape is being phased out, yet. In fact I heard they are going to add another SUV/CUV smaller than the Escape so that camoflaged Escape could be a tad larger than the current one to make room for the rumored smaller SUV. Oh well, I am a big Ford guy so it will be interesting if they come out with that Bronco concept as the small SUV. We'll see.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    The new Escape will have to be out by 08 as the current interior does not comply with safety rules that go into effect for the 2008 model year.

    Mark.
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    I just got back from the dealer after having my routing service done, and found out that there will be a '07 and at least an '08. The interesting part is, I was told that Ford will be adding a sport model Escape (unknow if it will be a 2 or 4 door), but will have 3 engines available. It will have the Std 4cyl, and 3.0ltr V6 available with both the FWD and 4WD, but then things get fun, they will have the 3.5ltr 255HP V6 available with FWD ONLY, and only avail with the Sport Model. The dealer also had told me they may have a power rear roof like the Freestyle FX concept (that may also be arriving on the Freestyle) that will turn the from normal Escape body to Sport-trac style body. I'm waiting to see if anything surfaces in the media from this, but it could be a wait. Maybe that spy shot somebody posted earlier, might have been the sport-trac version?

    Odie
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    How you been?
    I too am now reading there will be an updated Escape for 07. A new frontend and rearend, new interior, lots of standard safety equipment. Hey! Maybe Ford finally listened to the consumer! I have not heard of the 3.5 making its way into the Escape however. I believe the engine factory for the 3.5 is just now really starting to spin up production. I believe the 3.5 will make its way first in the 500/Montego/Freestyle and the new Mercury brother of the Freestyle. Rumor has it even the Ranger will get the 3.5.. I guess we'll see...
    I am however probably going to sell my Escape this summer sometime. It now has over 65,000 reliable miles on it!
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,704
    Yesterday my parents purchased an '02 Escape XLT to replace an old and tired '97 Jeep Grand Cherokee. I drove the Escape back home from the dealer (we live 40 miles away) and I have to say it is worlds better than our former truckish-feeling Jeep. I also believe that we will more than likely get better gas mileage too. Our Escape is fully loaded, with leather upholstery and a sunroof, and we paid $10,500 (including trade-in) with 29K miles.

    I have only one question however: When is the right time to turn on and use the AWD system with the little dash switch? And can AWD be used as a full-time system, just like the Selec-Trac in our old Jeep?
  • gheimurgheimur Posts: 88
    The switch should almost never be used. 4 wheel drive is on all the time. Turning the switch should only be used on snow if you get stuck
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    The 02 Escape uses a hydraulic clutch to engage 4wd. Sometimes, this does not react quickly enough. For instance if you were stopped on a snow covered hill at a red light. when the light turns green you might slide back several feet before the 4wd system gets the torque back to the rear wheels. This is when you use the switch. Its not good to leave the switch in 4wd because the clutch gets hot and then my disengage to protect itself and it might disengage at the wrong time for the driving conditions.

    You almost never need to flip the switch and you should definitely switch it back when the immediate need passes.
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    I personally have only had to use the switch in my '01 3 times.
    1. Going through mud and water that was up to the center of tires after having to back down a boat ramp with a small trailer into the mud / water because the water level was so low to begin with that the concrete ramp ended about 15 feet before the water level started.
    2. a few years back when we got hammered with 4+ feet of snow in about 6 hours. I had to use the switch just to get out onto my side street enought that I could shovel my driveway.
    3. about 3 weeks ago when I had to go up an old dirt fire road to get to an uncles house after about 2 feet of snow (near Punxatawney, Pa) and the road had not been touched. I had only used it for safety since the road has a 8 1/2% grade hill on it and my 2 yr old was with me.

    Odie
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I use the switch most of the time when I visit the mountains or we get into extreme weather. I can only remember once one we had snow that I had forgotten to engage the switch and the front wheels slipped and the back wheels engaged. The newer than 02 Escapes don't have the switch. It is all done electronically.
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    2008 Ford Escape gets new look (Inside Line)

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