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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,580
    edited August 8
    Yeah, the TrueContact is number one there for my van (well, tied with a Michelin Premier, but they sell more of the cheaper Continentals). And some of the reviewers actually put more than 100 miles on their set before writing a review. ;)

    The Michelins are $50 more per tire for a 640 A A rating vs the cheaper tires with the 800 A B rating. The reviewers say the Continentals are quieter.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,339
    edited August 8
    I'm somewhat skeptical @ Michelin's 8.5/32 in vs Continental's 10/32nds tread depth!? 1.5/32nd in might not sound like a lot, but all things being equal, that can be a lot of miles. Further biases to me, calls a 10,000 miles OEM recommended rotation into serious ? ?

    Now I've already noticed (a tire gurus almost insistence on) a 5,000 miles rotation is much more gentle & way more even on tread wear. I asked myself the question because tire rotation is included in the price, why would my tire guru want to rotate the tires twice as much during the lifetime ?

    I do have Continentals on 2009 VW Jetta TDI, & 2012 VW Touareg TDI.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,580
    I'm bad to just not rotate them.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 10,944
    Regarding tirerack tire reviews, I try to read the ones for similar size of vehicle and my general geographic location only.
  • texasestexases Posts: 7,050
    And I focus more on their tire tests. Many reviewers (buyers) don't have much experience with tires.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 3,656
    Have Continentals on my VW Golf and at 21K, look at least 50% worn, if even that. Rotate at 5K mile intervals religiously and hoping these will last for another 20K or so. Would love to get over 40K on a set especially down here in hot South Florida. Not sure what I'll go with next time as I want a touring tire and not a performance one in 225/45/17 size. Do like Goodyear Fuelmax I think it's called but want a set with a real meaty tread. Hopefully my friend at Tires Plus will be able to get me what I want as he says he can get most brands of tires. Also like Nexen tires as Michelins are a bit pricey.

    The Sandman :) B)

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1) / 2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • slorenzenslorenzen Posts: 653
    Wife's Accord came with Michelin Primacy MXV4 as OEM. When they wore out(around 45K), I researched and ended up with Yokohama Avvid as a replacement. They were pretty highly rated.

    Wife immediately notices the car doesn't grip as well as before.

    When they got worn(and really NOISY) at around 35K, I went back to the Michelin, same model tire as OEM.

    After that, every time wife comes home from our daughter's place, she comments "I really like my tires"...

    Note that the road to/from daughter's is very much like "Tail of the dragon".

    :o
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,580
    edited August 9
    I had a set of Yokos (Avid A4s iirc) on the Subaru and I didn't like them much. Couldn't sleep so got up at 5 am and went to Walmart. The TrueContacts "look" nice enough.

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  • berriberri Posts: 6,115
    While Michelin's generally have a price premium, I think the market is saying something because they sell well despite it.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 areaPosts: 20,227
    Michelins are round, they roll round (road force measurement), and they stay round as they wear.

    2015 Cruze 2LT, 2014 Malibu 2LT, 2008 Cobalt 2LT

  • thecardoc3thecardoc3 Posts: 3,528
    stever said:

    I'm bad to just not rotate them.

    Which means you should take the tread wear warranty part of the consideration and scratch it off the board. Tread wear warranties often get voided by alignment issues, and especially lack of servicing.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,580
    Yeah, but those warranties are always so negatively pro-rated, you wind up paying a lot for the replacement tire(s) anyway. And if you decide to exercise the warranty, then you are stuck with that brand again.

    Not to mention it's a pain filing away your receipts and digging them out to use the warranty.

    Guess I should write an app for that....

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  • thecardoc3thecardoc3 Posts: 3,528
    edited August 10
    Tire shop margins (gross profit) have dropped significantly in the last decade. In fact it dropped so much that pro-rated tire prices usually see them lose money for having tried. Then you have the idea of the free rotations and free tire repairs. The short sighted management who rely on the techs doing vehicle inspections to find any work which subsidizes the free stuff (remember nothing is really free) don't take into account what that does to the technicians career growth and is a big contributor to the stratification of talent in the trade.

    You see the complaints where something takes multiple visits, or even multiple shops before someone either gets lucky with a guess or they actually find someone that has walked a different career path and really knows how to figure the high tech stuff out. The only thing that has been missing is for someone to put the ying and yang together and when someone has that problem child car answer their plea for help by telling them, "But I got my tires rotated there for free!"
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,580
    edited August 10
    Guess that's why Walmart can beat Discount Tire's price for a similar tire (assuming the Discount Tire Continental is just a renamed TrueContact). While I'm waiting for my tires at Wally's, I can get a gallon of milk, an iPad and some cheap flipflops.

    Hm, have to think about that, if I worked it right, I could get rotations done and do my grocery shopping instead of waiting around some rubber smelling waiting room drinking dank coffee. Instead I can push a cart around and enjoy the people of Walmart. :)

    Back in my Anchorage days, for a few years I'd have the tire shop swap out the studs for summer tires, so 2 visits to the shop every year just for tires. Made it easy to rotate them at least.

    Once they broke a stud and once they didn't put a hubcap back on snugly and they wound up buying me a new one. And there was that whole bead issue before I got a set of winter rims.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,339
    edited August 10
    I have no idea what the margins have dropped to, so I have to consider myself lucky to be near four four and a half stars out of five tire shops (Yelp, all Indy) I use the 5 star rated one. It is close to the house, yet hidden away. It matches or beats tire rack prices. It insists on 5,000 miles rotations. It will top tire pressures on request.

    We have a Walmart in town, but a ways away. The procedures take way more time! They are rated 2 stars.
  • thecardoc3thecardoc3 Posts: 3,528
    ruking1 said:

    I have no idea what the margins have dropped to,

    It's under 18%. We have a tire supplier that can get us just about anything anybody wants, provided we pay more for them than the consumer can buy them from Tire Rack. (without shipping if applicable) That's why most shops that can handle the difficult stuff don't even waste their time dealing with tires.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,580
    edited August 10
    Might be better here since this is a "small" city. Had a battery swapped out a couple of months ago at Wallys and the techs were just standing around. Would have been fast except I got a trainee cashier and that was a struggle, with three redos just to pay and get my core credit.

    @PF_Flyer has a tire store like yours too. His is so good, Sneakers goes over there just to hang out and chitchat.

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  • thecardoc3thecardoc3 Posts: 3,528
    edited August 10
    stever said:

    Had a battery swapped out a couple of months ago at Wallys and the techs were just standing around.

    That's one of the biggest problems we face. The people working at Walmart are not techs. They might be doing some of the work that a tech might do, but it's not the same.

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,580
    edited August 10
    Actually one of the most knowledgeable tire techs that ever posted here (@tireguy) worked for Walmart. He left to become a Marine pilot.

    People wind up working for chains because of the benefits - even lowly Walmart offers a stock purchase plan and decent 401k benefits. Their health insurance has gotten a lot worse with high deductibles though. Still probably a better deal than 90% of the indys and lots of dealerships.

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  • thecardoc3thecardoc3 Posts: 3,528
    edited August 10
    stever said:

    Actually one of the most knowledgeable tire techs that ever posted here (@tireguy) worked for Walmart. He left to become a Marine pilot.

    Apples/Oranges. The key here is that he left and it wasn't a path for him to become a career, fully qualified technician.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,580
    edited August 10
    Exactly - both fruit, both are round, both grow on trees, both about the same size and weight. More similarities than differences.

    Painting with a wide brush is what leads people to assume that all car mechanics are crooks.

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  • thecardoc3thecardoc3 Posts: 3,528
    stever said:

    Painting with a wide brush is what leads people to assume that all car mechanics are crooks.

    Something he no doubt had to contend with.

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,580
    When I had my battery replaced there recently, no one tried to upsell me anything.

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  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 6,844
    edited August 10
    stever said:

    Yeah, but those warranties are always so negatively pro-rated, you wind up paying a lot for the replacement tire(s) anyway. And if you decide to exercise the warranty, then you are stuck with that brand again.

    Not to mention it's a pain filing away your receipts and digging them out to use the warranty.

    Guess I should write an app for that....

    The Road Hazard Warranties that used to be an up-sell and are often now "included" in the deal are pretty much useless on an AWD car. I'll use Costco as my researched example. The coverage will pay for one tire replacement, pro-rated. However, if you have an AWD car, you may need 2 or 4 tires replaced at the same time if you have more than 2/32nd's wear difference. So essentially the hazard coverage is a 25% limit with a maximum of 1 lifetime use. Have the same tire blow out (or a punctured tire in an irreparable way) in week 1 and then again a second time in week 2 of use, you'll be paying full price for the 2nd replacement in week 2.

    Pretty bogus for the consumer; but typical for insurance to be "low-value."

    Then again, when I've price-checked Costco the last couple years they seem to be whipping up on Tire Rack, and making Tire Rack look greedy.
    2016 Audi TTS S-Tronic (DSG 6-Speed) quattro. Wife has 2015 VW Golf Sportwagen TDI SE
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 6,844

    ruking1 said:

    I have no idea what the margins have dropped to,

    It's under 18%. We have a tire supplier that can get us just about anything anybody wants, provided we pay more for them than the consumer can buy them from Tire Rack. (without shipping if applicable) That's why most shops that can handle the difficult stuff don't even waste their time dealing with tires.
    Tire Rack is the best thing to ever happen for the consumer with tires. Before them, the industry was a black hole of little information, maximum prices, and minimum quality. Tire Stores could peddle the lower quality tires for "high quality" prices. Now, you can get the high quality tires for the same prices they used to charge for the "cheap" stuff. Owes as much to the internet information age as the company though.

    The real estate industry is one of the last few market black holes that has resisted the internet bringing down prices via information and education made available to the consumer.
    2016 Audi TTS S-Tronic (DSG 6-Speed) quattro. Wife has 2015 VW Golf Sportwagen TDI SE
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 8,956
    I use a family-owned local tire chain. They offer the dreaded free rotations- but I have yet to be upsold on anything. I have purchased five sets of tires from that shop over the past few years and I have been completely satisfied with each purchase and/or service.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2004 X3 2.5i Son's: 2009 328i

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,580
    edited August 10
    When they screw up, it's kind of nice to have an outfit with deep pockets to sue. Suing Walmart is another story though, kind of like trying to sue Disney. You have to be very wealthy to expect justice if you have to fight those two.

    Zillow has hurt Realtors, but hasn't affected their commission rates. Yet. Blockchain technology will pretty much ruin that industry (and title companies) when it catches on.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 areaPosts: 20,227

    The local, regional, store chain I use for tires sells the road hazard guarantee and the lifetime balancing as a package. I believe the lifetime rotation is included in the original tire price.

    I've not had to use the road hazard beyond several nail punctures repaired free in the correct manner by using an interior patch. But those would have added up in $$$--I think I've had 4 of them in 6 years.

    2015 Cruze 2LT, 2014 Malibu 2LT, 2008 Cobalt 2LT

  • thecardoc3thecardoc3 Posts: 3,528

    I use a family-owned local tire chain. They offer the dreaded free rotations- but I have yet to be upsold on anything.

    Two things. First it does show that while there are good shops out there, many of them have to take and perform some services like that to their detriment because of consumer price pressure. The second one about the up-sales is very likely because you were going in the door with the list of the maintenance that you wanted performed up front.


  • thecardoc3thecardoc3 Posts: 3,528
    andres3 said:


    Tire Rack is the best thing to ever happen for the consumer with tires. Before them, the industry was a black hole of little information, maximum prices, and minimum quality.

    The pluses for Tire Rack and everything else internet based didn't come without some cost. I remember a time when if one of the regular customers who was getting ready to go to work went out to their car and found a flat tire they could call us and we would come up with some kind of a solution for them. When they became Tire Racks customer instead of ours, they forfeited that.



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