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  • If those are summer tires, then 25K is about the average wear, run-flat or not....

    Agree with everything else he has to say about run-flats, though..

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  • Anyone got any advice for me? Inherited a 2002 Honda Civic EX that needs new tires. Tire size 185-65-15. What tires do people recommend? The Michelin Defender/Energy Saver duo seem crazy expensive to me at around $550+ installed at Costco or Discount Tire. Do the Energy Savers work well on non-hybrid cars, or is the LRR wasted? I'm wondering if I can justify spending that much money on tires when I can get General Altimax RT, Pirelli P4 Four Seasons or Kumho KR21 for <$430 installed.
  • kyfdx%40Edmundskyfdx%40Edmunds Posts: 25,869
    edited February 2013
    Way too much money to spend on a 10-yr-old car in that size...

    I just put Yokohamas on an Acura Legend, and spent $100 less than that, for a bigger size... ..

    Yokohama Avid Envigor...

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  • The Envigor sounds like a good tire, but I've read a lot of reviews that say they get loud after like 20k miles.

    Yeah, the Michelin was actually like $560 installed at Costco. I'm pricing out some Coopers (GFE, Lifeliner) etc. I think $425 for Pirelli P4 is a good price. I don't think it'd be worth getting the Discount Tire extended warranty for irreparable damage to the tires for another like $50, right?
  • I never buy extra insurance... but, that's just me..

    I've already sold the Acura, so I'm not going to find out about the noise.. Just thought it was a pretty good tire for the money...

    I like name brand tires, but those Michelins seem a little too pricy... If you aren't feeling the Yokohamas, check out Continental ContiProContact or Kumho
    Ecsta LX Platinum. I generally like Pirellis, but no experience with the P4...

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  • Yeah, Yokohamas seem pretty good for the $ for sure.

    I mean, I don't mind shelling out $ for quality tires as I plan on driving this car for quite some time. $560 just seems really steep for a 10+ year old car with 15" tires....I guess tire prices have gone up, because I was able to get a set of Michelins a year ago for $430 on my mom's Corolla at a larger tire size...
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,001
    edited February 2013
    I've been pleased with the P4 Four Seasons on my Altima. They are prone to irregular edge wear (which will cause noise if left unchecked) and need to be cross-rotated to try to even that out.

    I was extremely impressed with the Kumho Ecsta 4X tires I had on the BMW (best rain tire I've ever had), and will probably look at a set of Kumhos the next time I need tires.
  • I don't think those Kumho come in my tire size unfortunately, as I've read great reviews.

    Also, I forgot to mention the Civic only has 53k miles on it. So, it'll be running for quite some time and I plan on driving it for years. I just don't know if Michelin is necessarily worth $120+ more than the Pirelli P4.
  • That model Kumho is what we have on my son's '87 E30.... 205/55-15 on 15 X 7 wheels....

    Only about 3K miles on them so far, but I got into a nice little 4-wheel drift with them the other day... ;)

    We bought them, because the place we bought his new wheels had a special on them.... The whole set came mounted and balanced, and we just bolted them on... Turns out, we really like the tires, so it all worked out...

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  • I like spirited driving... even in a Civic.. Those Michelins might be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but you could still dislike the driving characteristics..

    I'm no fan of LRR tires... less friction = less grip, in my mind... An '02 Civic is already a gas mileage champ.. the tires aren't going to help that much..

    Read the tests and reviews on TireRack and make sure you are getting the kind of tire you want...

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  • That's true. I averaged about 33-34+ in mostly highway driving thus far. My mom's 2010 Corolla gets about 28-29 average, 32 highway. And the Civic is getting that kind of mileage with Michelin Pilot Exaltos on it, the exact opposite of LRR tires. The tires need replacing as one pair is 6 years old and the other is 8 years old and they're not holding air well...

    I'm mostly looking for solid wear (50k real world tread life, I don't expect to really get 80k miles out of them), decent wet traction (ie they aren't spinning when accelerating from a stop, even when you go slow!), soaks up bumps around town/highway well and if it can improve my MPG even better...
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,001
    If you continue to put few miles on the Civic, tread wear may not be as much of a concern (many tire and vehicle manufacturers recommend checking or replacing tires after 6-10 years due to age deterioration). Just something to think about.

    Kumho has some other tires that rate well on Tire Rack. I would consider any of them, as well. Also, you might compare the price with shipping at Tire Rack to Discount Tire Direct's price. Tire Rack has a better review system, but I've bought my last couple of sets from Discount Tire because they had lower pricing.
  • I was considering the Kumho KR21, but for a few dollars more the Pirelli P4 get better reviews overall. Right now I think it's down to the Pirelli P4 @ $421 installed or the Michelin Energy Saver A/S $560. I know the Michelin has higher initial price, but I'm wondering if the superior gas mileage might recoup the difference over the life of the tire...?

    I'm trying to price out the Cooper GFE tire at some local shops as well.

    There's the Continental Procontact w Ecoplus that Discount Tire will install right in the middle price-wise at $490, but they're not sure if they'll be able to get order them. I'd probably spring for this tire if DT can get them. Better wet traction than the Energy Savers and better gas mileage than the Pirelli with similar real world tread life is a winner in my book.

    The Yokohama Avid Envigor mentioned a little earlier sounds like a solid tire, but I've read several reviews of the tire lasting only 30k miles. For a 60k mile tire I'd hope to at least get 45-50k out of them. I don't know if it's the tire or the driving style making them wear like that.
  • capriracercapriracer Somewhere in the USPosts: 785
    Thanks for removing the spam.
  • markus5markus5 Posts: 102
    When the installer Mounted 4 new Firestone Destination tires on an AWD Ford Escape a few months ago, they were mounted with the RWL on the inside of the rim. The installer did not ask me which way I preferred. I told them had I been asked up front, I would request the RWL out. They were very nice about this and we decided to make the correction at the first free tire rotation (5000 miles.)
    Question: should this have an effect on positioning the tires in the rotation ?
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,001
    "Question: should this have an effect on positioning the tires in the rotation?"

    No, they should be able to move them from one side of the car to the other without a problem. In fact, if they're Firestone Destination ATs, they might even flip the tire inside out on the same wheel, as those tires are nondirectional and symmetrical.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,423
    Just make sure they rebalance them.
  • markus5markus5 Posts: 102
    Assuming the Tires are non- directional and symmetrical, wouldn't it be better for the tires to roll in the same direction, regardless of the few ( 5,000 ) miles of initial break in ? That would mean flipping them on the rim and putting it on the opposite side of the car. Correct ?
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,001
    edited June 2013
    Some form of cross-rotation is often recommended for non-directional tires. On my Nissan, rotating the tires this way helped to alleviate some uneven edge wear on the tires, which would have eventually made them noisy if left unchecked.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,423
    Yep, for non-directional tires you rotate them side to side, resulting in them rolling in the opposite direction. No harm done.
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