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Toyota Tacoma 2004 and Earlier Frame Problem

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  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Posts: 818
    What I find interesting/puzzling about this whole buy back, is nobody has reported that Toyota hasn't chosen the other option of repairing the truck. So many people have said their truck is in great condition (except for the frame) so I wonder why they don't replace frames on the trucks with high buy-back prices? I would think the cost of a frame and installation would be alot cheaper.

    I haven't seen any posts of first year Tacomas having rotted frames. I have an 95 Tacoma, I live in Wisconsin where the roads are coated with salt in the winter. I crawled under the truck and checked it from front to back, no rust thru so far. I even tapped on any area that had a little surface rust, and everything sounded solid. I was kind of hoping there was holes.

    I still have the brochure for the 95's. A statement in there says:

    "Tacoma's tough anti-corrosive steel frame resists rusting"

    I find it strange that they may have not followed thru with that design on later models?

    Mrbill
  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
    You really can't replace just the frame... that's the equivalent of replacing someone's skeleton, but keeping all the original skin, organs, muscles, etc. - just doesn't work that way. As these trucks are body-on-frame design instead of unibody, you would have to completely disassemble the truck, then reassemble it onto a new frame - that would take longer than just building a new truck in a factory. And repairing a rusted frame requires just as much time, since the unrepaired portions would have to be similarly treated to prevent the same problems from occurring again.

    It's far less expensive for Toyota to buy the trucks back and recycle them.

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • bsully32bsully32 Posts: 1
    I am in the process of getting the buy back . I have noticed several people saying how long it takes. I would guess to imagine it should take roughly 30 days. Can someone answer this for me? I hadnt received my title for my Taco yet. So i called the bank and explained to them I never received the title. They tell me that i have a late fee which occured over 5 yrs i owned my truck. They cant tell me what month out of 60 was late becuase i advised them i have all my receipts, What ever. Ok now could i just let toyota deal with it and they take out of the amount they owe me or do i have to pay it? I guess it would be like if i had a loan out on it right? let me know thanks and good luck to all with the process.
  • redneck80redneck80 Posts: 1
    I HAVE A 1998 TACOMA WITH 140,000 MILES ON IT AND WENT THRU AN INSPECTION AT A LOCAL DEALERSHIP A FEW WEEKS AGO. THEY HIT ON THE FRAME FOR ABOUT 30 SECONDS AND SAID IT WAS FINE. SO I BROUGHT IT BACK HOME AND I WENT OVER THE FRAME AND FOUND A HOLE UNDER THE DRIVER SIDE DOOR ON THE INNER SIDE OF THE FRAME. PLUS ONE WAS ABOVE THE SHACKLES. TOYOTA TOLD ME TO TAKE IT TO A SECOND DEALERSHIP FOR A SECOND OPINION. MY QUESTION IS DOES THE RUST HOLE HAVE TO BE THRU BOTH SIDES OF THE FRAME,CAUSE MINE IS THRU ONE SIDE AND IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF A 50 CENT PIECE. DO YOU THINK IT WILL PASS OR FAIL? REST OF THE TRUCK IS IN EXCELLENT SHAPE. THANKS
  • hpaircrafthpaircraft Posts: 1
    I think that Tacoma frames are made at Dana's Parish Structural Products plant in Stoctkon, CA. They are trucked 63 miles in 15-frame truckloads to the NUMMI plant in Fremont.
  • releaserelease Posts: 8
    I failed my inspection on April 24 and just got a call yesterday from the transfer agent who I will meet with on Wednesday, so yes the process does take about the full 30 days.
  • wendwend Posts: 3
    I hear you. Brought mine in(1998 Tacoma, 118,000 mi.) 4 weeks ago. It failed, I left with it (thank God!) due to there being no rentals available. One week later they offer me a rental and I find out from Toyota they hadn't even processed my claim yet! A total of 2 1/2 weeks later I get an offer-not a good one either. Barely 150%kbb retail in excellent cond.(which is what they are going by). I have only owned mine for 3 years and during this time I have put a 2in. body lift kit, 4 in. suspension lift, fiberglass rear panel (I took off the bumper), 33" Micky Thompson's, polished aluminum rims, new air intake system (chrome) for more gas mileage and power, customized detail work along the body and across the tailgate and tonneau cover. I also recently put in 2 new sensors and a new windshield. When I refused the offer ISB (hired by Toyota) told me -"sorry, call Toyota.We don't cover aftermarket parts." I called Toyota, they said they would call me back in three days. That was 5 days ago. I called them today and the person in charge of my case was in a meeting. Still haven't received a call back. That's a long 8 hour meeting!!!
  • wendwend Posts: 3
    Anyone care to share info.?
    Brought mine in(1998 Tacoma, 118,000 mi.) 4 weeks ago. It failed, I left with it (thank God!) due to there being no rentals available. One week later they offer me a rental and I find out from Toyota they hadn't even processed my claim yet! A total of 2 1/2 weeks later I get an offer-not a good one either. Barely 150%kbb retail in excellent cond.(which is what they are going by). I have only owned mine for 3 years and during this time I have put a 2in. body lift kit, 4 in. suspension lift, fiberglass rear panel (I took off the bumper), 33" Micky Thompson's, polished aluminum rims, new air intake system (chrome) for more gas mileage and power, customized detail work along the body and across the tailgate and tonneau cover. I also recently put in 2 new sensors and a new windshield. When I refused the offer ISB (hired by Toyota) told me -"sorry, call Toyota.We don't cover aftermarket parts." I called Toyota, they said they would call me back in three days. That was 5 days ago. I called them today and the person in charge of my case was in a meeting. Still haven't received a call back. That's a long 8 hour meeting!!!
  • hockeyeasthockeyeast Posts: 43
    Mine was in the exact same spot and it failed. Take it to another dealer asap!!!!
  • ddurrantddurrant Posts: 1
    Completed my by-back of my 2000 Tacoma today. Took three weeks start to finish. Very efficient - got $15000 plus $1000 because i ordered a new Tacoma. Should have it next week. Pretty impressed with the way Toyota handled this.
  • jachjach Posts: 1
    I just found out about this TAC problem,I traded my TAC last yr for a new FJ,got very low trade-in value for it because of the rot.
    This was never documented by the dealer,now i've contacted Toyota and they say that i have no case,too bad i'm a twenty yr customer,it's all that we drive in my family.
    This won't be the case if they dodge this claim.
    Does anyone have any idea's about how to get them to honor my claim
    I have told them that i live in Mass and of course i would get frame rot.

    JACH
  • dutchlundydutchlundy Posts: 1
    I just got wind of all this. I have an 02' what am I looking for? what is the official wording etc. that I must bring to my dealer? please give me the details and process.

    thanks,
    Dutch
  • kowitzkowitz Posts: 7
    >I have an 02' what am I looking for?

    Well, you can look for perforation on the frame, but I believe the customer service campaign for rust perforation is for model years '95-00, so they won't inspect / buyback your '02 under this program.

    I'm not sure if the warranty extension announced covers all Tacomas or only those in the model years for the program.
  • kimberly66kimberly66 Posts: 1
    We're about to purchase, from toyota dealer, a cert. preowned 2004 tacoma, double cab, 2x4, 4cyl, 47k miles. Is there any concerns, recall on this? Will it worth it to purchase an extended warranty, bumper to bumper, 3years for $1000?
  • mattz88mattz88 Posts: 9
    Hello

    For anyone that is getting a hard time from Toyota in terms of the Toyota Tacoma Frames rusting out please try this website The Center for Auto Safety It has alot of valuable information on it and you can file a complaint if you wish. Another website is Home | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration(NHTSA) | U.S. Department of Transportation file a complaint and they will start investigating your complaint. Hopefully this can help alot get many of these defective vehicles off the road and correct corporate irresponsibility.
    Thanks
    http://www.allworldauto.com/comments/TOYOTA_TACOMA_comments_and_complaints_202-2- - 109-4.html
    http://www.thebostonchannel.com/slideshow/news/15876993/detail.html
    http://www.thebostonchannel.com/investigative/15879699/detail.html
    http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/15877183/detail.html
    http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/toyota-offers-to-buy-back-rusty-tacom- - as/
    http://www.thebostonchannel.com/investigative/16192222/detail.html
  • j81j81 Posts: 7
    Welcome to Toyota!
  • j81j81 Posts: 7
    CERTIFIED, That word always cracks me up. The guy that did our certified vehicles worked at McDonald's before coming to our dealership. 9 out of 10 of our "Certified" vehicles come from the auction and were prior rental cars. But seriously, I personally wouldn't but the truck. Yes, Toyota makes a great engine. However be prepared to repair the following as I SOLD many, many of oxygen sensors, air fuel ratio sensors, both inner tie rods, front wheels bearings, inner & outer seals, snap rings, rear axle seals and rear shoes, steering rack grommet, steering rack, p/s pump, catalytic converter, front turn signal (moisture) front & rear bumpers (if not chromed, clear coat peels of and rusts) manifold, since it's a 4cyl. That's all I can think of right off the top of my head. Oh, yeah, we did have several double cabs leak water at the windshield.
  • What other American manufacturer would stand behind their vehicles like Toyota does?

    Ever hear of any of the big three buying back the junks they produced? I doubt it, and I'm speaking from experience.
  • gr8rotarygr8rotary Posts: 7
    Tylorkitty, After several followup phone calls (by me) I finally received my offer letter today, exactly 2 weeks after they took my truck. For my '99 regular cab 4x4, 185,000 miles, they offered me $12,075. Actually a little bit more than my calculations. I will quickly fax my acceptance and try to close this deal. I have a new Nissan Frontier waiting for me.
    Good luck with your buyout.
  • agne53agne53 Posts: 1
    About three weeks ago I purchased a 2000 Tacoma without any knowledge of the frame rot issue and buy back program. I had been researching trucks for over a year and had not heard anything about issues with frames. Obviously I'm now concerend about what I just purchased. The truck has lived most of its life in Southwest Ohio. I have looked at the frame at different times since I found out about the problem but I have not found any holes just surface rust at all of the major welds. I still have not done a real extensive look or used a hammer on the frame yet. I plan on taking the truck into my dealer here in Kentucky and was wondering what would happen if it fails. Would I qualify for the 150% buy back or what? If it passes the inspection should I look to get it undercoated? If so what product? company would you recommend I am in the greater Louisville area.
  • hockeyeasthockeyeast Posts: 43
    I bought a nissan 2006 frontier. I think you will like the truck.
    As far as the 2000 that the other fellow bought. Bring it into the dealer.
    It's not just "holes" that they look for. There could be problems up under the cab on the inside of the frame. That's where my problems were. Also there were a few, lets say "thin spots"! It's the damest thing also. I was at work the other day, and guess what goes by on a transport truck. A bunch of tacomas and mine was on top at the front. Like, one last good-bye. :(
  • gr8rotarygr8rotary Posts: 7
    Thanks for the good words hockeyeast. I think I will really like the new Frontier. I have never liked the look of the new Tacoma. It just looks like a big happy face on the grill to me. After extensively driving both a NISMO Frontier, and the TRD offroad Tacoma, the Nissan just seemed to handle much better, and I am getting more options for the money. My new Frontier just arrived at the dealer, (I went to see it today), just waiting for my check from the good folks at Toyota, and I'll get into my new ride. Good luck to all the unfortunate owners (like myself), but I will credit Toyota for making a great attempt to make this right.
  • naughenaughe Posts: 2
    I thought the same thing, My frame only showed surface rust and I saw no rot through, but Toyota failed it in about 10 minutes . They said there were 2 critical spots that were too far gone (soft). I have (had) a 99 Tacoma with 145,000 mi but it was in excellent shape. I loved my truck and hated to give it up. Over the last 3 years I have put lots of time and energy into this thing. New rear leaf springs (originals cracked), front springs, struts, shocks, carrier bearing, steering rack and outer tie rod ends, I did the timing belt along with the water pump and thermostat, I just put on 4 new tires and did the brakes on all 4. I kept it well maintained and it never let me down. I would rather work on it every now and then on the weekend than have a payment every month. I do have to say they handled it very well so far. Toyota had a rental for me in litterally 20 mins, but now what? I had no car payments and because of the year and milage I had low insurance payments. I am going to have to now pay sales tax when I buy a new vehicle, my insurance is going to go up. I am probably going to have a car payment now. I read that someone said Toyota gave them an extra $1,000 because they are buying another Toyota. I think the 1.5 times the book value is a good deal, but only a grand to buy Toyota again? They need to do better than that on the sales side. This is still an inconvienience from where I sit.
  • naughenaughe Posts: 2
    Wend
    I was told it will be about 150% of the Suggested Retail Value in excellent condition also. That would be about 14 -15,000 dollars for my 99 Tacoma with 145,000 miles. You do not have to take thier first offer, this is a claim just like an insurance company. If the offer is too low, argue your point and wait for another offer. They are taking my fully paid off, excellent condition vehicle away from me. If I do not like thier offer I am going to let them know. You have to consider the extras you are going to have to pay out. Sales tax for your new vehicle, here in Mass that would be over 1,000 dollars for a 21,000 dollar vehicle. A newer vehicle also means higher INSURANCE. Keep that in mind and if yoy have not settled, hold out for what you consider fair, not what they consider fair.
  • tmiller159tmiller159 Posts: 25
    Keep in mind they are also offering you a deal on a new truck. It is a certificate worth $1000 below dealer invoice and $1000 cash back, good for 60 days from date of issue. Not perfect, but not bad either.
  • rusty98rusty98 Posts: 4
    Hi Yall,

    Rusty98 back with ya. Since my last posting I was given an offer by ISG that was supposed to be 150% of the KBB retail value of my truck. My truck came up 8800 on the KBB website.150% of that comes to 13200. They sent me an offer of 12800. I brought this to their attention and had my vehicle reinspected at the dealer. Less than 1 week later they emailed me a new offer of 13200. I accepted their offer last week and am still waiting to be contacted by the transfer agent.
    Does anyone know what would happen if I took my reconditioned wheels with new tires off, and replaced with 3 junk wheels and the spare tire? Along with taking out my after market CD player and replace with nothing? Will the transfer agent throw a fit?
    After all our beloved trucks are supposedly going non-stop to the crusher.
  • hockeyeasthockeyeast Posts: 43
    Not both, at least at my dealership. I still have my certificate and its just 1000 off and thats after taxes. My dealership would not budge, so they lost my business.
    Toyota Motor Corp. did step up, but some dealerships are taking advantage of the situation. They should and I did report them. Talk about rubbing salt into a wound.
    :mad: :mad: :mad:
  • Just droped my baby off this morning for rust inspection. Live in Syracuse. Lots of holes in frame. Just wondering about if it fails the rot test: Is it true that I can tell the transfer agent to try again if I don't like the KBB value he comes up with? What are my rights. I feel like i'm getting mixed messages on here. Some are saying the offer in non-negotiable and others are saysing they have negotiated higher offers. I know what KBB puts my truck at. Why would the offer the field rep gives me be any different. I know not to include any after market parts that I put on in the calculation. So what gives? But then again I just read a post that said the offer was a bit more than he/she expected....so I will keep my fingers crossed
  • Just got the nod from the dealership that my truck qualifies for the buy back. They are starting the paper work as we speak. Also they told me I could take a loaner car from them or drive my truck. I choose the loaner....why not....better gas mileage right? I was also very surprised when the dealer told me to bring in the model numbers of my after markets stereo and and speakers????? All indications I got on here were that they would not include these in the price of the offer??? The rep told me they would? Crap....cause I just took the westin grille gaurd off and gave it to my buddy!!!! Oh well....I go to pick up the loaner tonight.....I wonder what it will be???
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